I think to qualify as a webcomic it really has to be unimaginable to conceive of it as a print phenomenon on its own and kate beaton would totally do well in print (and she does! [ok some of that is due to webpopularity, but still])
u r scott mccloud and i claim my $5
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
i think you can translate some aspect of achewood to print (there was a long form version I saw in a print compilation that I liked) but as a whole, no, it wouldn't work.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
reason i mentioned achewood is cause i was in the comic store on monday and they've got a bunch of his collections there that u can buy. in print!
― Mordy, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
jesus christ why am I still reading Sluggy Freelance
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
guys ive been trying to recall the name of this comic that was popular on ilx and the internet tho i think it was also published in like maybe some irl alt newspapers or w/e and it always had v neat lil narratives that were often kinda fatalistic fables i guess the only one i can remember was it shows like evolution creatures crawling out of the ocean and what not then theres a space ship coming up this giant button in outer space and someone says what you think this thing does then its starts again w/the evolution i am sure you guys are v familiar w/this comic thx in advance
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:06 (eleven years ago) link
the way i see people interact with achewood -- it's kind of critical to be able to click on it and see it on the web, and to be passed around that forms the bulk of the achewood experience that doesn't seem quite so crucial for hark a vagrant. don't you feel a difference in experience?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
Perry Bible Fellowship xp
― Mordy, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
i don't feel a difference but i get the feeling (forgive me if i'm wrong) that the term 'webcomic' is a bit more loaded w/ meaning for u than it is for me xp
tyvm
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
it's loaded for me in a very weird way, in that i think it denotes crap, but at the same time i feel it's disrespectful not to acknowledge it as more than just a cheaper delivery device.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
er .. not to acknowledge it as just a cheaper delivery device i mean
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
er.. scratch that scratch.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
PvP was published as a comic for 9 years - longer than it's spent online-only.
So Philip, are you saying that webcomics are kind of the descendants of the thigns people used to cut out and stick up on walls / cubicles, or that used to be mailed around after email but pre-web? Because if so, I totally get that, but the number one comic that I see linked on twitter/facebook/livejournal as "hey check out this one strip" is Hark a Vagrant.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
sort of -- but it's not just the passing back and forth, but also the way the readership helps shape the strips as well. (letting your audience have control of your work is probably another tendency that leads to crap, though)
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
Wow there was just a Kate Beaton + Lynn Johnston panel at San Diego Con.
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:15 (eleven years ago) link
FBOFW????
― Mordy, Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:16 (eleven years ago) link
did she talk about animating all the characters on her website to blink periodically?
― Mordy, Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
I dunno I'm not in SD! I wish I was! (kind of).
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
i wonder what kate thinks about her. i'm not a big FBOFW fan but i get she had a big influence - probably bigger if you're from Canada
― Mordy, Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:24 (eleven years ago) link
there's a great story in the charles schulz bio about johnston calling schulz (johnston being one of the few colleagues schulz admired) and mentioning to him that because her characters age she's going to have to do something soon about the dog, who is going to have to die, and schulz is really adamant that johnston not kill the dog because people don't want to read about dead dogs over breakfast (they just want to read about endlessly telescoping bleakness and cruelty i guess) and johnston says no i have to do this it's all right it'll be a big affecting arc and everything and schulz apparently says
IF YOU DO THISI AM GOING TO HAVE SNOOPY GET HIT BY A TRUCKAND GO TO THE HOSPITALAND EVERYBODY WILL WORRY ABOUT SNOOPYAND NO ONE WILL READ YOUR STUPID STORY
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
also apparently schulz calls her to congratulate her on reaching some kind of syndication milestone -- X number of papers carrying FBOFW -- which is a very high number by the standards of most comics but not a high number by the standards of peanuts, and schulz is very gracious and complimentary at first but then johnston says like "i'm catching up to you haha!" and schulz just says CALL ME WHEN YOU'RE IN THE LOUVRE and hangs up
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
weird guy
awesome guy
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
That Schultz bio is rough, especially when you discover that the most jugular-inflating Lucy tirades were influenced by Mrs. Schulz.
― pplains, Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
SNOOPY IS OFF THE WEB BECAUSE OF YOU
The only thing the tweet from D&Q said abt the panel was that Johnston and Beaton bonded over their admiration for Guisewhite.
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 12 July 2012 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
i remember hearing that schulz built a hockey rink for the local kids to play at, but then shut it down because the parents were so obnoxious. which i'm sure is partly true, but dude did not seem to get along very well with ppl
― mookieproof, Thursday, 12 July 2012 22:13 (eleven years ago) link
Didn't Schulz do some phone flirting with Guisewite? She was a Neutrogena model or something (even while drawing body horror strips)
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 12 July 2012 22:14 (eleven years ago) link
Guisewitean body horror
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 12 July 2012 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
so many ppl who knew Schulz, inc his kids, said the bio was slanted and crappy that I wouldn't rely on it for a full picture of the dude
― ¥╡*ٍ*╞¥ (sic), Thursday, 12 July 2012 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
it's kinda wild all of the newspaper strip writers like guisewhite, ketcham, even schulz for me at one point that i knew as defanged boring comic writers and then when i went back to their original material i totally understood the appeal
― Mordy, Friday, 13 July 2012 00:11 (eleven years ago) link
The rink's still open, I think.
Schulz gets redeemed for his complete and utter hatred of Garfield.
― pplains, Friday, 13 July 2012 00:13 (eleven years ago) link
my dad had old peanuts collections from the 50s and 60s (at one point i could have told you who all the great pumpkin had visited -- one of them was 'boots ruthven') so that's what i grew up with. it's impressive how good it was for as long as it was; watterson otm
― mookieproof, Friday, 13 July 2012 00:22 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah so many of these strips (but not peanuts) were ghastly spectres of their former selves by the time I was a kid. Then when I would see Los Bros talking abt Hank Ketcham or TCJ writers about Gasoline Alley it was baffling to me. Now the proof is out there, though.
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Friday, 13 July 2012 00:31 (eleven years ago) link
peanuts was terrible when i was a kid, but my school library had a bunch of early peanuts comix and so around 5-6th grade i read a ton of the early ones. i would love to buy a bunch of the new fantagraphics ones -- but i have the ketcham fantagraphics volume (so excellent) and they're not super enjoyable to read. too many pages between the hard covers. i'm holding out for a super-sized volume
― Mordy, Friday, 13 July 2012 00:33 (eleven years ago) link
if i do get some, i'm not even sure which years are best to get. what's considered his best era? 60s-70s?
― Mordy, Friday, 13 July 2012 00:36 (eleven years ago) link
Of Dennis or Peanuts?
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Friday, 13 July 2012 00:37 (eleven years ago) link
i'd start in the late 50s
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 13 July 2012 00:38 (eleven years ago) link
every library i've been to has the peanuts fantagraphics collections. just try em all -- start at beginning. early charlie brown is kind of a proto-cartman!
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 13 July 2012 00:38 (eleven years ago) link
not sure i'd go too far past '70? i'm not one to *blame* woodstock, but he did seem symptomatic of diminishing returns.
― mookieproof, Friday, 13 July 2012 00:38 (eleven years ago) link
not sure where i'd stop, snoopy kinda takes tonal control around the late 60s i think and i prefer peanuts before that but obv snoopy is great so
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 13 July 2012 00:39 (eleven years ago) link
yeah woodstock is prolly the symbol
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 13 July 2012 00:40 (eleven years ago) link
it's kinda mind-boggling to me how many years he wrote this thing. who has that kind of longevity today? (dave sim?) even watterson + larson and other modern daily phenoms retired at some point
― Mordy, Friday, 13 July 2012 00:41 (eleven years ago) link
what year is the "mr. sack" arc from, where charlie brown doesn't want the kids at camp to see that his head has developed a weird rash that makes it look like a baseball so he wears a paper bag on his head and everybody loves him
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 13 July 2012 00:41 (eleven years ago) link
watterson went out at his absolute peak, too
but i'm still legit moved by the way the lines in the last 15 or so years of peanuts got really wobbly, cuz they were still all his
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 13 July 2012 00:43 (eleven years ago) link
I'm such a stan that I'd push the shark moment all the way to when Rerun shows up.
― pplains, Friday, 13 July 2012 00:43 (eleven years ago) link
re; baseball rash, i'd guess 1973 (if this is the same arc with alfred e neuman)
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 13 July 2012 00:43 (eleven years ago) link
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpwg4vC9Ya1qisuj3o1_500.png
― pplains, Friday, 13 July 2012 00:46 (eleven years ago) link
xp you are otm! that story's really something i think. the one where he's just sitting on a dock fishing with another kid and telling a longish dullish joke and the other kid says "that's very funny. you're fun to be with, mr. sack." "thank you."
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 13 July 2012 00:52 (eleven years ago) link
who has that kind of longevity today? (dave sim?)
Cerebus was 26 years, Peanuts was 50. Maggie Chascarillo's 30 years in now.
― ¥╡*ٍ*╞¥ (sic), Friday, 13 July 2012 01:10 (eleven years ago) link
'mr sack' is from 1973-74. i think ppl tend to overstate the steepness of the 'decline,' though i admittedly have a lot of tolerance for snoopy and woodstock episodes.
i'd still take even '90s era 'peanuts' over most other comic strips of the last 30 years. even at his worst schulz is discernably himself; there's no committee-think in the mentality that could end a strip with snoopy saying 'i'm emotionally bankrupt...you're emotionally bankrupt...we're all emotionally bankrupt...'
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 13 July 2012 01:32 (eleven years ago) link