FINAL DESTINATION 4
― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 October 2006 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mark Co (Markco), Monday, 23 October 2006 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 23 October 2006 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― c('°c) (Leee), Monday, 23 October 2006 16:05 (seventeen years ago) link
(157 points)
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Charles Schulz once said that he woke up every morningwith an inexplicable feeling of dread. He poured thatfeeling into Charlie Brown, a gentle, likable boy whois, for no obvious reason, scorned by his peers and plagued by persistent anxiety and loneliness. "Iwonder if I'm dying," he said to himself during ahospital stay. "I wonder if they'd tell me if I weredying…Maybe I'm already dead….I wonder if they'd tellme." There was something strangely abstract andKafkaesque about Charlie Brown's troubles: he seemedto be a decent ball player and a reasonably goodstudent, but still the 600-to-nothing losses and badgrades came. Of course, some of Chuck's problems were more familiar: Surrounded by friends withall-too-obvious crushes on him (Peppermint Patty,Marcie, even arguably Lucy), he obsesses over a girlhe can't even bring himself to talk to. At some pointSchulz seemed to back off from this theme, perhaps feeling he had revealed too much of himself; it'spossible he never intended to show so much in thefirst place. But it gave Peanuts more lastingresonance than (almost) any other comic strip everpublished. (Justyn Dillingham)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 06:58 (seventeen years ago) link
Linus is also, at least in the early years, shockingly competent, preternaturally gifted, and completely unaffected by and possibly unaware of that, which foils off Charlie Brown's obsessions over his mediocrity. But, again, he's also the one who believes in the Great Pumpkin.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 07:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ray (Ray), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 07:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 08:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 09:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 11:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 11:51 (seventeen years ago) link
All of the Peanuts characters could have swept this poll had we worked together as a team, I think.
― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 12:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 14:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― occasional schroeder (kit brash), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 02:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― Adrienne Begley (sparklecock), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 02:57 (seventeen years ago) link
she looked more horsey to me though.
― occasional horse (kit brash), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 07:40 (seventeen years ago) link
(159 points)
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A great villain for the Fantastic Four, a haughty European lord and master that everyone can enjoy foiling. But possibly not as foiled as often as he is cajoled - as Justyn says below, he's not that far from a hero, and his sense of honor is an easier way to get around him than brute force. See particularly his final (or is it?) exit in the Ultimate universe.
Best villain in the Marvel Universe. Because he might not be a villain. (okay, he is.) (Pete Baran)
One of the weird, recurring, barely-buried themes of superhero comics is that supervillains are not so verydifferent from the "heroes" who fight them. And it'snot that hard to imagine a slightly humbled Dr Doomworking alongside the Fantastic Four, since most of the Marvel characters, bad or good, tended to beimmature egomaniacs. There was something heroic andtragic in Doom that made Batman's numerous foes seemlike a pack of bumbling eccentrics. (Justyn Dillingham)
greatest moment: Doom invades Stan and Jack's office and threatensthem with the sight of his naked face. (Vic Fluro)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 07:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:10 (seventeen years ago) link
One of my favourite Doom stories is Secret Wars, actually, where Doom is the clear standout character by virtue of his intelligence, willpower and determination: as soon as he encounters the Beyonder his every action is focused on trying to get some of his power.
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― Adrienne Begley (sparklecock), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:55 (seventeen years ago) link
1. acquire power2. work out what to do with it. this will probably involve humiliating the accursed Richards.
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 11:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 11:38 (seventeen years ago) link
(164 points)
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By contrast, you don't know what you're getting with The Joker. Never generally diagnosed beyond 'crazy' (though thankfully no-one that I know of has given him MPD), he tends to range between his two loves - incredibly complicated traps, and just plain killing people. A great combination of the two was his appearance in Gotham Central.
Neither just a comedy crook nor just another psychopath with a fixation (like Clock King or Riddler or whatever), The Joker is best viewed as a sort of R-rated Gremlin. You're not really writing a good Joker story if it isn't made clear that the guy could at any time play hideous mind tricks on random innocent bystanders or kill off one of his own henchmen in some gory fashion for no reason whatsoever; but you're also not doing a good job if he doesn't seem like he could resort to harmless pie-in-the-face or water-squirting flower tricks at any time. It's a very difficult balance of fear and humor to sustain, but when done right it makes The Joker one of the greatest villains of all time. (Daniel Reifferscheid)
Best moment: From Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, when the Phantasm's got him beaten, the whole world (synecdochized as his hideout) burning to hell, the Phantasm's taking him away to who knows what end, and he cackles to his fate. (Leeee)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 26 October 2006 07:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 26 October 2006 07:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 26 October 2006 07:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 26 October 2006 07:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mark Co (Markco), Thursday, 26 October 2006 07:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 26 October 2006 07:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 26 October 2006 07:52 (seventeen years ago) link
The Joker is a funny one. Okay, the point is the Joker isn't a funny one. There has never been a sympathetic Joker story I can think of which paints his usual abject lack of humour into a tough corner. More importantly the - ahem - Clown Prince Of Crime is supposedly the opposite of Batman, the light agin the dark, which never really works for me. Why would anyone, ever want to become a Joker Henchman.
(Oddly, this is where Harley Quinn works, she is much more sympathetic, and in the Animated series capriciously bad: of course playing off as just a mere prankster lacks the "horror" of the Joker. But who wants spine shattering horror.)
― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 26 October 2006 08:36 (seventeen years ago) link
STOP BEING A SPOILER!
― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 26 October 2006 08:41 (seventeen years ago) link
I imagine signing up for Joker henchery is what you do when you need money desperately and nobody else will let you hench for them.
― Vic F (Vic Fluro), Thursday, 26 October 2006 11:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 26 October 2006 11:32 (seventeen years ago) link
Haha, no way.
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 26 October 2006 11:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 26 October 2006 11:50 (seventeen years ago) link
He's an interesting duck, with the years' interpretations of murderous, humorous, psychotic, etc. My favorite of Batman's rogues, aside from Ra's Al Ghul & Talia.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/54/Joker-1.jpg
― lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:31 (seventeen years ago) link
Ghost World was number 10 in the greatest comics of all time poll, I'd be surprised if Enid wouldn't have made the top 10. I bet there are enough ILCors, myself included, who identify with her.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:57 (seventeen years ago) link
(except I wasn't lying about Maggot)
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― occasional mongrel (kit brash), Thursday, 26 October 2006 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link
10) Lord Fanny9) Wolverine8) Enid7) William Gull6) Lucy5) Galactus4) Krazy Kat3) Calvin2) Captain Haddock1) Batman
Given how much people love the Fantastic Four, I think Mr. Fantastic might be there instead of Lord Fanny or Wolverine, but on the other hand he's rather boring as a character, isn't the?
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 27 October 2006 07:19 (seventeen years ago) link