h8 that shit
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 1 April 2015 18:43 (nine years ago) link
and all the 'gonzo' tough guy culture-jamming scripters that tumbled along in its wake
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 1 April 2015 18:44 (nine years ago) link
otm, the worst is people who think they understand why something problematic is entertaining and then make their own work which is just 100% problematic and not at all entertaining
― mh, Wednesday, 1 April 2015 18:48 (nine years ago) link
If you've just started reading Preacher or are considering doing so at some point in the future, the first question to ask yourseff is: Am I between the ages of 14 and 22? If the answer is no, please feel free to not read Preacher and know that you really aren't missing anything.
― Gimme Gimme Pop Secret (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 1 April 2015 19:02 (nine years ago) link
yeah i read preacher thinking "i wish i'd found this when i was 15"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 1 April 2015 19:11 (nine years ago) link
Feel like the world need a reverse-recommendations engine - oh, you thought Preacher was awful and Transmetropolitan was cheesy and dumb? You should also avoid <x>.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 1 April 2015 19:41 (nine years ago) link
I thought Transmetropolitan was pretty ok when I was in college. But the series was '97-'02 and I was in college '99-'03 so it worked out perfectly.
― mh, Wednesday, 1 April 2015 19:47 (nine years ago) link
I was not 15 when I was in college, but really, I kind of was.
― mh, Wednesday, 1 April 2015 19:48 (nine years ago) link
If my personal experience is anything to go by, I would guess that it was probably a mid-to-late '90s rite of passage to initially buy and enjoy titles such as Preacher and Transmetropolitan and Strangers In Paradise until you slowly came to realize that they were embarassing garbage aimed at an audience you no longer belonged to.
― Gimme Gimme Pop Secret (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 1 April 2015 19:54 (nine years ago) link
tbh I think 1/3 of Sandman falls into that
― mh, Wednesday, 1 April 2015 19:56 (nine years ago) link
Read less Preacher, read more Shade the Changing Man.
― like working at a jewelry store and not knowing about bracelets (Dr. Superman), Thursday, 2 April 2015 04:38 (nine years ago) link
otm
― mh, Thursday, 2 April 2015 13:42 (nine years ago) link
The impediment being, though, that DC ran out of steam less than halfway through collecting Shade in trades (as has been their super-fun tendency with most of the classic Vertigo series). Thankfully, the entirety of Preacher will be available in perpetuity.
― Gimme Gimme Pop Secret (Old Lunch), Thursday, 2 April 2015 14:51 (nine years ago) link
I think I'm missing a little bit of Shade at the end, but I got a near-complete run off ebay years ago
― mh, Thursday, 2 April 2015 15:10 (nine years ago) link
Which reminds me, I need to troll ebay some more. I want to read more bad cyberpunkish titles of the 90s. Do you know how hard it is to track down a full run of Ghost Rider 2099?
― mh, Thursday, 2 April 2015 15:21 (nine years ago) link
Shade trades will get you up to #19. there were 70...
comixology has them.
(i hadn't realised there were so many. some classic bachalo / pennington art in them as well. must dig them out)
― koogs, Thursday, 2 April 2015 15:42 (nine years ago) link
which shade are you guys talking about? i assume the vertigo + not the original ditko?
― Mordy, Thursday, 2 April 2015 15:44 (nine years ago) link
To be fair, the series slowly goes downhill after issue 50. I think I remember reading something about Milligan wanting to end it around then and DC wanting it to continue with a different writer, which prompted him to begrudgingly continue.
― Gimme Gimme Pop Secret (Old Lunch), Thursday, 2 April 2015 15:48 (nine years ago) link
xpost We're talking about Vertigo. Same character, different take. Ditko Shade lasted < 10 issues, IIRC.
― Gimme Gimme Pop Secret (Old Lunch), Thursday, 2 April 2015 15:49 (nine years ago) link
i've never read it but u've all inspired me
― Mordy, Thursday, 2 April 2015 15:50 (nine years ago) link
Ditko Shade is great too, but a totally different thing from the Vertigo series.
Milligan's Shade series is cool, but two of the miniseries he wrote for Vertigo around the same sort of time are even better (and reach fully satisfying conclusions) - The Extremist drawn by Ted Mckeever and Enigma drawn by Duncan Fegredo.
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 2 April 2015 15:55 (nine years ago) link
Milligan has some stuff that is more workmanlike but as far as writers go, I think he's generally underrated
― mh, Thursday, 2 April 2015 16:01 (nine years ago) link
Milligan has had a patchy career, but he's certainly underrated. Enigma was one of the best miniseries Vertigo ever put out. Skreemer (which probably would've been a Vertigo mini if it had been issued a year or two later) is another great early '90s Milligan project. And his one-shots like Face and Tainted were pretty good, too. Then he had those weird post-Vertigo wilderness years where he wrote awful stuff like Elektra before he came back in full force with X-Force/-Statix and the Human Target ongoing. Lots of stuff worth checking out.
There was a stretch of time when Shade was my favorite ongoing title, so I'd still highly recommend it despite its unevenness. I reread it two years ago or so and most of it still holds up.
― Gimme Gimme Pop Secret (Old Lunch), Thursday, 2 April 2015 16:10 (nine years ago) link
I loved Milligan's run on Shade at the time. Would almost say its better than Sandman (certainly the art is better)
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 April 2015 17:01 (nine years ago) link
Too true. The early Bachalo stuff was a little muddy and not terribly special (which may have been due to the inking), but I became a huge fan once he hit his stride a year or so in. Even most of the guest artists during his tenure (like Glynn Dillon and Phillip Bond) were great.
― Gimme Gimme Pop Secret (Old Lunch), Thursday, 2 April 2015 17:05 (nine years ago) link
I hadn't really thought about it until now but I probably learned a lot about drawing by heavily aping Shade-era Bachalo.
― Gimme Gimme Pop Secret (Old Lunch), Thursday, 2 April 2015 17:07 (nine years ago) link
Saw something unexpected today: a complete(?) Marvel collection of Weirdworld. The title isn't very appropriate, it looks a lot like Elfquest and any number of Tolkien inspired 70s-80s stuff. Some nice black and white Mike Ploog at the start but later on John Buscema with someone painting over him, it looks a bit cheesy but it's still impressive.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:20 (nine years ago) link
I didn't know about that collection. There weren't all that many Weirdworld installments (it just popped up now and again in anthology titles like Marvel Fanfare and Epic Illustrated), so I would assume it's complete. I wonder if it's been released to promote the (apparently) completely unrelated Weirdworld miniseries that's part of Secret Wars.
― Gimme Gimme Pop Secret (Old Lunch), Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:29 (nine years ago) link
Yeah I just heard about that. Marvel pretty much never reprints anything for its own sake, it always has to tie into a larger plan.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:39 (nine years ago) link
There's a notorious early issue of The Comics Journal where they fawned over the full color Weirdworld strip, which first ran in a colour Marvel magazine. The airbrushy finishing (from memory, by Rudy Nebres?) was pretty 'advanced' for Marvel at that time, but nothing that wasn't being done better in Heavy Metal/Metal Hurlant, and of course the story was the usual sub-Tolkein bollox, cranked out by good old reliable Doug Moench.
I saw that new collection in the window of Forbidden Planet today - smaller than the original magazine printings, which can't help.
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 2 April 2015 19:15 (nine years ago) link
more gorgeous ogden whitney superhero stuffhttp://fourcolorshadows.blogspot.com/2015/04/skyman-ogden-whitney-1940.html
― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 April 2015 19:53 (nine years ago) link
Kodansha are translating Junji Ito's Cat Diary! Hooray hooray! Maybe we'll get Hellstar Remina soon.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 7 April 2015 13:01 (nine years ago) link
http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2015/04/STK668561-300x461.jpg
― Mordy, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 18:32 (nine years ago) link
real or shopped?
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 20:01 (nine years ago) link
out today
― Mordy, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 20:02 (nine years ago) link
o brave new world
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 20:17 (nine years ago) link
i flipped through the archie and predator bookthere's a scene where the gang are on a tropical island and there's red rain coming down from a palm tree on a confused moose and its two flayed bodies hung by a predator.this is played for laffs
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 April 2015 03:01 (nine years ago) link
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2015/04/ty-templeton-in-critical-but-stable-condition-after-heart-attack/
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 April 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link
coming soon
http://i2.wp.com/pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/sharknado-promo_2.jpg?crop=0px%2C61px%2C900px%2C603px&resize=446%2C299&zoom=2
― Mordy, Friday, 17 April 2015 20:01 (nine years ago) link
Okay, I thought for sure that one was a shop (mostly because the art looks like some shit) until I just now saw the news story. I guess literally anything can happen at Archie Comics now.
― I Stepped On Your Samwich (Old Lunch), Friday, 17 April 2015 21:52 (nine years ago) link
it's been like that for a few years now - the gay character w his own book, Archie gets killed, zombies vs archie etc.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 17 April 2015 22:17 (nine years ago) link
This was linked to in the Comics Journal Herb Trimpe obituary. His diary from his last days at Marvel to being unemployed then becoming a teacher. I found it very interesting.
http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/010900edlife-56-edu.html
I could imagine a good book full of accounts from artists who became too unfashionable to make a living in the mainstream.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 00:02 (nine years ago) link
I can't decide whether this is the greatest ever solicit or the worst ever.
DOOMED #2Written by SCOTT LOBDELLArt and cover by JAVIER FERNANDEZ1:25 Variant cover by MATEUS SANTOLUOCOOn sale JULY 15 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED TThe secret origin of our Doomed hero is revealed! Plus: Tons of stuff gets smashed!
The secret origin of our Doomed hero is revealed! Plus: Tons of stuff gets smashed!
― the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 06:49 (nine years ago) link
just digitally paged through Schau and Runde's "Margarin"good lord
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 25 April 2015 07:03 (nine years ago) link
https://tytempletonart.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/daredevil-hearts.jpg
― Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 26 April 2015 21:41 (nine years ago) link
Yay!
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 26 April 2015 23:09 (nine years ago) link
haha wow
― Nhex, Sunday, 26 April 2015 23:31 (nine years ago) link
Got preview copies of Secret Wars #1 in the mail, just finished it, zero idea WTF is going on in it. It's like an Avengers 2 fight scene across 32 pages
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 02:46 (nine years ago) link
Bought Johnny Viable And His Terse Friends for my brother because he's a big Aylett fan. Read some of the fake letters pages and they were hilarious. He has such an impressive knack for surreal absurdity.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 10 May 2015 13:30 (nine years ago) link
Bitch Planet is awful good.
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Friday, 15 May 2015 03:36 (nine years ago) link