He doesn't have to make a case for why it's cool to cheer on calling a real-life person a borderline sociopath, you mean.
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Sunday, 4 February 2018 20:07 (six years ago) link
(it's true, he doesn't! but that's the context.)
imo the problem is what works get adapted and what work gets covered in non-comics media, both of which tend to concentrate disproportionately on the violent and misanthropic because the image of these loner male creators fits a narrativeeither that or I’m subconsciously seeking out the work and coverage that tends toward those subjects, hard to say
― mh, Sunday, 4 February 2018 20:15 (six years ago) link
haha wait does this comic that i haven't read actually involve masturbating, ugly crying, or mooning over ex girlfriends? Cause my complaint with indie comic dudes actually isn't about 'sociopathy' so much as whatever those scenarios intimate. Sad-bastardism?
― Dan I., Sunday, 4 February 2018 20:18 (six years ago) link
xpost You're not wrong. I mean, I'm hard-pressed to think of a single comics creator (besides Kirby, pedants) whose work has been adapted to filmed entertainment more than Mark Millar.
― Cork Taint (Old Lunch), Sunday, 4 February 2018 20:21 (six years ago) link
if you go by number of filmed hours and we’re assuming non-superhero comics, The Walking Dead is probably the longest contemporary adaptation? or at least it’s up there
― mh, Sunday, 4 February 2018 20:28 (six years ago) link
if you toss out superheroes, zombies, vampires, future cops, and spies you narrow the field a lot
― mh, Sunday, 4 February 2018 20:29 (six years ago) link
I just meant the number of discrete works that had been adapted. People keep dipping into that Millar well for reasons that could probably be generalized as 'because edginess!!!'
― Cork Taint (Old Lunch), Sunday, 4 February 2018 20:39 (six years ago) link
and because maybe, people tend to like 'em? even Wanted
― Nhex, Monday, 5 February 2018 01:02 (six years ago) link
Presumably, but not really germane wrt the point I was trying to make. I mean, people like lots of comics by other creators which don't get turned into movies.
― Cork Taint (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 01:07 (six years ago) link
One Piece has over 800 episodes and 13 feature films
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Monday, 5 February 2018 05:25 (six years ago) link
I have been sufficiently chastised for having a myopic western outlook
― mh, Monday, 5 February 2018 13:42 (six years ago) link
On a completely different tact, going by the local shops around here, it seems that one thing that seems to be catching on is back issues. I think for the first time in a long time, some shops seem to be moving lots of stuff in dollar bins. They are the cheap way into comics, especially with the cover prices so high.
It was almost to the point the big store was phasing them out, but then the flipped it around and started doing more dollar boxes and they have kinda taken off. And it's all sorts of stuff that are selling out of them.
― earlnash, Monday, 5 February 2018 22:37 (six years ago) link
I mean, if something starts out at $3-$4 and is now a buck or you can buy a bundle of issues at or even below the TPB price, why not?
― mh, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 00:00 (six years ago) link
Just read Sexcastle - dumb fun, if you want a comic book version of Roadhouse/Escape from NY.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 06:05 (six years ago) link
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/02/05/comicspro-2018-shadowman-doughnut/"Retailers at ComicsPRO 2018 to Receive Preview of Shadowman #1 in Doughnut Form"http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/dd-600x254.jpg
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 16:13 (six years ago) link
I swear that at some point I cancelled Comixology Unlimited but apparently not
Now this is appearing below new digital releases:"Includes 15% Unlimited discount"
― mh, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:05 (six years ago) link
One Piece has over 800 episodes and 13 feature films― Haribo Hancock (sic), Monday, February 5, 2018 5:25 AM
I have been sufficiently chastised for having a myopic western outlook― mh, Monday, February 5, 2018 1:42 PM
I wouldn't count anime, a bewildering array of manga that people would never imagine being adapted into anything get an anime version.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 9 February 2018 23:33 (six years ago) link
do they all get 800 episodes, 13 feature films and nigh-annual TV specials though
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Friday, 9 February 2018 23:41 (six years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sazae-san#Anime_series
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 9 February 2018 23:44 (six years ago) link
They might want to consider renaming it Greater Than One Piece.
― Nonsense Ape Debones His Foot (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 February 2018 23:54 (six years ago) link
You know what has nearly 500 episodes, five feature films (and one animated one) and had multiple live action tours that I didn't think of? Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, of all things.
― mh, Saturday, 10 February 2018 00:58 (six years ago) link
Probably just about the longest-running (WESTERN) non-Big Two title at this point, too, if you count its varied incarnations as a single run.
― Nonsense Ape Debones His Foot (Old Lunch), Saturday, 10 February 2018 01:36 (six years ago) link
(checks watch, awaits hardsonning by sic)
― Nonsense Ape Debones His Foot (Old Lunch), Saturday, 10 February 2018 01:38 (six years ago) link
Wasn't there a really long running anime of that kid who gets his ass out all the time?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 10 February 2018 01:39 (six years ago) link
Trying to think of other contemporaneous indie titles that are still being produced in one form or another... Love and Rockets, Groo, Usagi Yojimbo, Elfquest...what else?
― Nonsense Ape Debones His Foot (Old Lunch), Saturday, 10 February 2018 01:41 (six years ago) link
for some reason Robert's post just struck me as the funniest thing in the world
― mh, Saturday, 10 February 2018 01:58 (six years ago) link
robert, you gotta be thinking of shin chan?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyDAj9q9mkw
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Saturday, 10 February 2018 02:09 (six years ago) link
Yes, 940 episodes.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 10 February 2018 02:13 (six years ago) link
yeah, you can't count TMNT as a single run, if the metric is "currently longest running"L&R tank that by the five or nine or w/e years they spent not being called L&R, but they'd beat Elfquest either way. Usagi just renumbered afaik? Would have to look at its breaks vs the Bros, but it's probably in with a chance
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Saturday, 10 February 2018 02:19 (six years ago) link
aragones, los bros and sakai are total monsters; we don't deserve creators this prolific
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Saturday, 10 February 2018 02:28 (six years ago) link
Groo also takes years and years between series, and still has the bulk of its run as Big Two
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Saturday, 10 February 2018 02:30 (six years ago) link
honestly when I said "contemporary" earlier I meant "comics adapted in the last 10 - 15 years" but we're old so I guess my entire life is contemporary
― mh, Saturday, 10 February 2018 02:53 (six years ago) link
Oh man, the Aragones reference makes me think of MAD magazine. I wish I still had, and wonder where they went, a couple paperback collections of MAD comics that were sitting at my grandparents' house when I was a kid.
I kind of always figured they were from some later time and as a kid wondered how MAD, which I had gotten into, would have had paperbacks that my dad or uncle would have bought because I was a kid and didn't conceive as something still so relevant as long-running
"Son of MAD" apparently was published in 1959!
― mh, Saturday, 10 February 2018 02:56 (six years ago) link
longest-running (WESTERN) non-Big Two title at this point, too2000AD started in 1977 and has run uninterrupted. The Australian edition of The Phantom started in 1948 and has published continuously, although is almost entirely US or Danish reprints.The Beano started in 1938 and has run uninterrupted.
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Saturday, 10 February 2018 03:02 (six years ago) link
I think Mad is down to a bi-monthly book, but it is still going, no?
― earlnash, Saturday, 10 February 2018 04:10 (six years ago) link
yep. it's actually got lots of good artists on board! also, DC owned these days.
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Saturday, 10 February 2018 04:52 (six years ago) link
these daysMad was indie for less than ten years and has had the same owner as DC for five decades
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Saturday, 10 February 2018 05:09 (six years ago) link
The longetivity of TMNT as a “property” is kind of astounding to me; it’s one of those things that you never could have predicted or expected, or believed if someone had told you it would happen (back in the early Eastman & Laird days).
― absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Saturday, 10 February 2018 06:31 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I should've specified that I was thinking of 'properties' rather than titles per se. Like, even when there weren't technically TMNT or L+R titles being published, the characters never really went away.
― Nonsense Ape Debones His Foot (Old Lunch), Saturday, 10 February 2018 13:56 (six years ago) link
But yeah, there are a number of 2000AD characters that count.
― Nonsense Ape Debones His Foot (Old Lunch), Saturday, 10 February 2018 14:00 (six years ago) link
Not sure this is real https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz3m_7ozhNo
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 10 February 2018 14:16 (six years ago) link
Are there other characters in comics (indie or otherwise) who have aged in "real time" over the decades, like the L&R crew?
― absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Saturday, 10 February 2018 16:48 (six years ago) link
has had the same owner as DC for five decades
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Saturday, 10 February 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link
Savage Dragon happens in real time.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 10 February 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
Just saw that recent covers have featured Trump and neo-nazis.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 10 February 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link
If you extend to newspaper strips — something like “Doonesbury” must be the longest-running continuous graphic narrative in which time passes normally...
― absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Saturday, 10 February 2018 18:47 (six years ago) link
Think Gasoline Alley beats it - started in 1918 (!), still running in a few newspapers today, and always w/ real-time continuity:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_Alley
― Agharta Christie (Ward Fowler), Saturday, 10 February 2018 18:56 (six years ago) link
Wow, didn’t realize it was real time...
― absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Saturday, 10 February 2018 18:59 (six years ago) link
A century-long continuous narrative is a Big Freakin’ Deal(!)
― absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Saturday, 10 February 2018 19:10 (six years ago) link
oh man, i've got PILES of backlog to read myself! it's a never ending backlog for sure.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 20 December 2018 16:17 (five years ago) link
At the begining of this year I decided not to buy any new comics and to rearead my entire collection instead.
I'm still at the As -_-
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 20 December 2018 16:56 (five years ago) link
It's the same conundrum I face every year: I've read a ton of stuff, watched a ton of movies, heard a ton of music, etc. but it's all pretty much exclusively from years prior to this one, so I can never participate in any of the fun year-end discussions.
― Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Thursday, 20 December 2018 17:02 (five years ago) link
xpost oh man Tommasso is an old friend and I am super psyched to learn about that gig w/Allred! Fuck yeah!
(you can see how good I am at keeping in touch with old friends)
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 20 December 2018 17:14 (five years ago) link
the Snagglepuss book was great, like the Flintstones he did the year before
― Nhex, Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:04 (five years ago) link
Russell is writing a few other things now, including a good looking Lone Ranger book
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:11 (five years ago) link
So here's an interesting thing I noticed about this week's new Marvel comics (and I say this with the caveat that I'm looking at these digitally and not in the store, though i'm inclined to believe this holds true for the physical books as well): all of the superhero series releases - though, notably, not the Star Wars books, kiddie books or the presumably earlier cover-finalized miniseries - have been redesigned in honor of Stan Lee's death so that the top of the cover is dominated by a simple, horizontal black band with Lee's years of birth and death. The book's title and issue number have been shunted to the lower left corner with (of course) the Marvel logo. Here's two sample covers so you can get a clear idea what I'm talking about:
http://i.imgur.com/w97POF3.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/Jq563d7.jpg
Two things jumped immediately to mind when I saw these:
1) - It's amazing how much cleaner and more effective this looks from a graphic design perspective. It also unifies and brands the books in a comprehensive and recognizable way that almost certainly will appeal to OCD weekly comic buyers (are there any other kind?) and people who want to see and clearly display the cover art. Modern comic covers are an unnecessary riot of clutter and extraneous detail; minimizing word balloons, indica, titles and blurbs greatly improves and modernizes them visually.
That said:
2) - For several years now, Marvel has pretty consistently put the names of a book's creative team on the cover, often (as Image generally does, but DC generally does not) including both the first and last names of the creators. I assume the rationale for making the call as to when full names or just last names are used is likely due to space considerations, contractual obligations, name recognition if it helps sell the book (so weird to me that DC just lists "MORRISON" on the front of the new Green Lantern, as if his name isn't the main reason many if not most new readers will buy it), or even (GASP! CHOKE!) editors recognizing that anyone who writes and draws a book deserves to have their complete names on the work they made. I don't really know for sure.
However, with the Death of Stan commemorative redesign, for the first time in a long time there are _no_ creator names on the covers. Just Stan's band, the cover image, the name and issue number, the indelible MARVEL logo and that's it. So there's the most immediate public way that Marvel chose to celebrate Lee's passing: by pulling the names of the people that write and draw their books off the cover.
Excelsior?
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:41 (five years ago) link
It stinks.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:44 (five years ago) link
Seems especially sucky to have that band at the top of characters/titles that Stan did not co-create.
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:52 (five years ago) link
^ they're doing this again this week as well btw
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 21:57 (five years ago) link
Rereading Gail Simone's Atom, which I first got into due to this very forum. Representation in comics having come a long way since it was released (on the page at least) some parts now feel very clunky and outside-looking-in; a bigger problem for me this time around is John Byrne's art is absolutley garish, and the colours do it no favours. But I'm getting to the part where tiny aliens fight Cthulhu worshipping pilgrims, and that's still jolly good fun.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 10 January 2019 10:56 (five years ago) link
there's a 2019 thread
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 10 January 2019 14:48 (five years ago) link