And I can't recall a time when there were as many non-specialty titles (i.e. stuff that isn't based on a licensed property or released under a YA sub-imprint) specifically geared toward younger audiences.
― Liberals are insane in the mimbrain!!! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:16 (four years ago) link
Yes, Vision was an outlier with a darker tone than most (but certainly not all) of Marvel's other titles.
― Liberals are insane in the mimbrain!!! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:17 (four years ago) link
never forget, the second issue of action comics features superman straight up killing a guy but it's okay cause he deserved ithttp://i.imgur.com/xVKJnZv.png
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:19 (four years ago) link
Blaming Geoff Johns is a good general policy in this and many other, wholly-unrelated instances.
― Liberals are insane in the mimbrain!!! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:19 (four years ago) link
also, here's batman shooting a "vampire"https://i.imgur.com/TQkQjoW.png
maybe i should start a "when superheroes kill" thread
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:21 (four years ago) link
graphic murder in mainstream comics was an every issue thing in the thirties and forties, waned considerably through the fifties, mostly disappeared in the era of the comics code and then came roaring back as a grim and gritty thing throughout the 90's and 00's
yeah this sounds about right
that Superman page never fails to crack me up, Supes is so "now this is happening" about it
I can't recall a time when there were as many non-specialty titles (i.e. stuff that isn't based on a licensed property or released under a YA sub-imprint) specifically geared toward younger audiences.
totally agree with this, it's crazy the wealth of stuff that's available and perfectly suitable for my daughter that bears absolutely zero relation to the DC/Marvel/licensed characters axis
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:23 (four years ago) link
OL on the mark about the COMIX FOR KIDS onslaught, which is great! but there's still a fuckton of weirdly ultraviolent books out there where murder is the case that they give you. The Punisher's last four(?) or so volumes treat human life like kleenex.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:24 (four years ago) link
batman versus dracula: a one panel thrill ride
― untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:24 (four years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/PYQ3cgv.png
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:26 (four years ago) link
Batman Stops a Pogrom
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:28 (four years ago) link
on a slightly more modern marvel notehttps://i.stack.imgur.com/ult59.jpg
bon voyage, baron blood!
― untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:28 (four years ago) link
Comic Panels of Superheroes Killing People
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:29 (four years ago) link
Yeah, scrolling through the books released in the year I'm just wrapping up (2017), the only stuff that stands out as particularly murdery are Punisher, the Bullseye mini (which was frankly fucking gruesome), and, well, anything with Rocket Raccoon (I neither understand nor care for this retcon of the character as utterly kill-crazy). Some Deadpool stuff, naturally, but during his time on the Avengers they tamped it down quite a bit.
― Liberals are insane in the mimbrain!!! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:30 (four years ago) link
allow me to introduce you to what DC did with "deathstroke"http://i.imgur.com/9tZmy33.png
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:35 (four years ago) link
I'm trying not to.... oh hell
Remember when Jeph Loeb wrote a little story called Ultimatum and Marvel pretty much burned their Ultimate Comics line to the ground?
― untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:36 (four years ago) link
What else...Old Man Logan, Thanos, Carnage. I mean, you know what you're getting with most of these books that feature characters who've always been 'edgy'. You don't have to worry that you're gonna turn the page in most of the other other Marvel titles and suddenly find Marvin being graphically devoured by Wonder Dog (thanks again, Geoff).
― Liberals are insane in the mimbrain!!! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:38 (four years ago) link
you're right about Rocket, that's the movie to blame for that i think in that they needed a way for people to not read him as a cartoon. which i guess leads to his Bendis catchphrase:http://i.imgur.com/M4lSKua.png
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:45 (four years ago) link
Deeply, deeply, deeply hate that catchphrase.
― Liberals are insane in the mimbrain!!! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:48 (four years ago) link
all the "old man" series are murderfests; here's a random panel i found in the first page of old man hawkeye i openedhttp://i.imgur.com/HeG5k2L.png
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:49 (four years ago) link
The Nighthawk book was dark but kinda righteous, too (black vigilante unapologetically taking out racist white folks).
― Liberals are insane in the mimbrain!!! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:50 (four years ago) link
Important to recall that Millar kicked off that whole 'old man' future timeline.
― Liberals are insane in the mimbrain!!! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:51 (four years ago) link
yeah, he's responsible for a lot of this post-miller grim and gritty bullshit too. i'm not even gonna post the relevant JR JR Hit-Girl panels.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:56 (four years ago) link
Marvel stuff coming out this week:
Probably some murders imoABSOLUTE CARNAGE #1COSMIC GHOST RIDER DESTROYS MARVEL HISTORY #6DEAD MAN LOGAN #10IMMORTAL HULK #22 (in a horror comic style, though)MAJOR X #0OLD MAN QUILL #8PUNISHER #14 (of course, I mean...)STAR WARS #70 (someone's gonna get shot or lightsabered in a cantina)
probably not murdery?AGENTS OF ATLAS #1BLACK CAT #3DAREDEVIL #9HOUSE OF X #2SAVAGE AVENGERS #4
no gratuitous deaths here, folks (hopefully, no guarantees)CHAMPIONS #8AERO #1FUTURE FOUNDATION #1 INVISIBLE WOMAN #2
― untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:03 (four years ago) link
i will bet you a shiny nickel that house of x and savage avengers will have at least one murder
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:07 (four years ago) link
a random 2019 monthly body count of marvel vs dc vs usa would be an interesting if depressing project
I can't tell if you guys are arguing for or against my point anymore (ie whether or not Vision was an outlier - kinda doesn't look like it if there's a consensus that >50% of Marvel's monthly titles = murdery). But idk you guys read so much more of this crap than I do.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:11 (four years ago) link
kings vision is not more murder-y than most of marvel's books but it takes murder a bit more seriously.
i think the unspoken mainstream superhero "comics code" wrt murder for the past two decades is that it's okay to show villains killing if it *furthers the plot* and it's okay for heroes to kill if the people they're killing REALLY deserve it. the murders in Vision are unwarranted and have grave repercussions as opposed to punisher just fucking killing people left and right.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:13 (four years ago) link
That Cosmic Ghost Rider mini is basically a humorous gloss on What If afaict.
― Liberals are insane in the mimbrain!!! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:13 (four years ago) link
Shakes, Marvel puts out 457 titles a month, no way is that <50%.
― Liberals are insane in the mimbrain!!! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:14 (four years ago) link
cosmic ghost rider has been quite fun imo but, as far as this discussion goes, it takes killing people as seriously as deadpool does
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:15 (four years ago) link
>50% rather
― Liberals are insane in the mimbrain!!! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:15 (four years ago) link
the murders in Vision ... have grave repercussions
do they though? They appear to have grave repercussions *at first*, within the context of the story, but by the end he's escaped the consequences of actions by virtue of his wife's sacrifices... and he just starts building himself another wife. Also no one really cares that that Grim Reaper is dead cuz c'mon now. And the dead civilians fade into the background.
I was just going off the weekly list mh posted OL
xps
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:18 (four years ago) link
I'd need to reread but i recall the murders destroying vision's family, even though he's saved the universe 17 times yadda yadda yadda so they certainly proved impactful enough to dislodge a cyborg god's way of being
here's a fun recap of the house of ideas monthly hit ratio in 2017https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/2017-year-almost-everything-went-wrong-marvel-comics-1070616
i think marvel and DC put out about 50 to 60 single issue titles a month? maybe more? it's got to be an unprecedented glut at the moment.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:20 (four years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_Marvel_Comics_publicationshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_DC_Comics_publications
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:24 (four years ago) link
I've been sorting comics lately and (as you might imagine) have quite a number of Marvel comics. I think I have roughly the same number of boxes for stuff from the past five years as I do for maybe a decade and a half that preceded it. It's kinda ridiculous.
― Liberals are insane in the mimbrain!!! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:26 (four years ago) link
Humblebrag here
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:31 (four years ago) link
if one were to purchase a hard copy of every new single issue marvel book solicited for release in october (excluding reprints, knick knacks, bound editions and whatnot), it would run you about $390 plus tax. add in variant covers and you're pushing $500 a month.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:33 (four years ago) link
It's probably more 'admission of serious illness' than 'humblebrag' but potayto potahto I guess.
― Liberals are insane in the mimbrain!!! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:33 (four years ago) link
I'm probably the only one who cares, but a little disappointed that the current version of Marvel Comics Presents will probably end with #9. It's been a fun book - the Soule Wolverine ongoing story is fun and I like the hidden conceit of this series - throwing characters into different real life time periods (Wolverine going through every decade since the '40s, Tony Stark in 2008, Spider-Man in 1983, etc.)
― Nhex, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 03:30 (four years ago) link
*starts reading House of X #2*
----ALERT------giant retcon incoming--
― untuned mass damper (mh), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 14:43 (four years ago) link
i have enjoyed the MCP reboot but i have enduring nostalgia for that series in general as v1 was the first book i ever had pulled from my local store
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 14:53 (four years ago) link
heh yeah nostalgia is probably a big draw for me too
― Nhex, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 15:26 (four years ago) link
Okay, I'm going to do a bodycount check for this week of Marvel/DC releases
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 19:46 (four years ago) link
may take a minute.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 19:47 (four years ago) link
I think the Marvel count was lower than I expected, but I maintain that many of these titles are definitely high bodycount!
― untuned mass damper (mh), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 20:18 (four years ago) link
limiting this to reasonably clear on-panel murders:Punisher #17: Punisher kills between 6 to 10 people, Ghost Rider appears to kill an additional two to five. Total body count: 8 to 15Old Man Quill #8 - Rocket kills 2 people/aliens, Gamora kills 3 people/aliens and mangles one of them after death, Drax rips 1 person/alien in half and impales another person/alien with half of them, a group of aliens/people stomps drax to death, gladiator incinerates mantis, the guardians (in a multi-panel flashback) kill around 6 to 15 people/aliens, quill (in an iron man suit) incinerates an imperial guard's head. Total body count: 16 to 25Absolute Carnage #1 - Mass grave with dozens of bodies unearthed, about a dozen people infected and presumably killed by carnage with a burrowing symbiote. Let's call it 12 dead with an asterisk?Aero #2 - nobody gets murderedStar Wars #70 - nobody gets murderedHouse of X #2 - 10 to 12 scientists are killed by the brotherhood of evil mutants, a character who has the ability to be reborn is burned to death "slowly, so she doesn't forget how dying like this feels", a sentinel kills a mutant in flashback, Moira assassinates four people, captain america/ms marvel/several others killed in a flash-forward sequence. Let's call that between 18 to 20 Marvel Comics #1 - This one reprints the original Marvel #1 from 1939, plus books from 1990, 1994 and 2009. 1939: torch kills two people, a thug kills three people, the Angel kills four people, two thugs kill each other, Sub Mariner kills five guys and wrecks a ship and an airplane, gun thugs kill a guy, the Masked Raider kills two guys (possibly more), two aboriginal Caribbean men are killed, aboriginal Caribbean men kill three invading guys, Ka-Zar's dad is killed, the torch kills two more people in a retelling of the same story. Total head count is 28. Golden Age!Sensational Spider Man #1 - no one is murderedDaredevil #9 - no one is murderedFuture Foundation #1 - no one is murderedSavage Avengers #4 - no one is murdered (though several people really REALLY try hard to murder each other)Major X #0 - Wolverine kills one to three people, Rob Liefeld murders perspectivethere's another ten or so books but this is boring me silly
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 20:28 (four years ago) link
Rob Liefeld murders perspective
the biggest lol in the otherwise awkward Seth Rogen/Charlize Theron "Longshot" film I watched last week was at the end when Rogen brags that his "First Mister" portrait in the White House was painted by Rob Liefeld
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 20:57 (four years ago) link
Aero #2 - nobody gets murderedStar Wars #70 - nobody gets murdered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob1rYlCpOnM
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 21:19 (four years ago) link
The whole horror gore stuff in movies has pretty much trickled down to being very mainstream at this point. Big shooting splatter shots is a big thing in lots of those TV cop dramas etc for a few years now.
The mainstream comic death that caught me as gruesome from a few years ago was when Black Hand "killed" himself in Green Lantern before Blackest Night. I think Doug Mahnke was the artist and I thought it was pretty bloody for Green Lantern.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 22:43 (four years ago) link
i'll concede that I generally dig Hickman's use of the Marvel toybox, but after reading House of X #2 color me very optimistic for whatever that giant retcon might look like.
esp enjoyed the cameo appearance of Chulthu Island, which was obv the most excellent tree fort of all Magneto's various tree forts
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 8 August 2019 02:13 (four years ago) link