What else...Old Man Logan, Thanos, Carnage. I mean, you know what you're getting with most of these books that feature characters who've always been 'edgy'. You don't have to worry that you're gonna turn the page in most of the other other Marvel titles and suddenly find Marvin being graphically devoured by Wonder Dog (thanks again, Geoff).
― Liberals are insane in the mimbrain!!! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:38 (five years ago) link
you're right about Rocket, that's the movie to blame for that i think in that they needed a way for people to not read him as a cartoon. which i guess leads to his Bendis catchphrase:http://i.imgur.com/M4lSKua.png
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:45 (five years ago) link
Deeply, deeply, deeply hate that catchphrase.
― Liberals are insane in the mimbrain!!! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:48 (five years ago) link
all the "old man" series are murderfests; here's a random panel i found in the first page of old man hawkeye i openedhttp://i.imgur.com/HeG5k2L.png
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:49 (five years ago) link
The Nighthawk book was dark but kinda righteous, too (black vigilante unapologetically taking out racist white folks).
― Liberals are insane in the mimbrain!!! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:50 (five years ago) link
Important to recall that Millar kicked off that whole 'old man' future timeline.
― Liberals are insane in the mimbrain!!! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:51 (five years ago) link
yeah, he's responsible for a lot of this post-miller grim and gritty bullshit too. i'm not even gonna post the relevant JR JR Hit-Girl panels.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:56 (five years ago) link
Marvel stuff coming out this week:
Probably some murders imoABSOLUTE CARNAGE #1COSMIC GHOST RIDER DESTROYS MARVEL HISTORY #6DEAD MAN LOGAN #10IMMORTAL HULK #22 (in a horror comic style, though)MAJOR X #0OLD MAN QUILL #8PUNISHER #14 (of course, I mean...)STAR WARS #70 (someone's gonna get shot or lightsabered in a cantina)
probably not murdery?AGENTS OF ATLAS #1BLACK CAT #3DAREDEVIL #9HOUSE OF X #2SAVAGE AVENGERS #4
no gratuitous deaths here, folks (hopefully, no guarantees)CHAMPIONS #8AERO #1FUTURE FOUNDATION #1 INVISIBLE WOMAN #2
― untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:03 (five years ago) link
i will bet you a shiny nickel that house of x and savage avengers will have at least one murder
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:07 (five years ago) link
a random 2019 monthly body count of marvel vs dc vs usa would be an interesting if depressing project
I can't tell if you guys are arguing for or against my point anymore (ie whether or not Vision was an outlier - kinda doesn't look like it if there's a consensus that >50% of Marvel's monthly titles = murdery). But idk you guys read so much more of this crap than I do.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:11 (five years ago) link
kings vision is not more murder-y than most of marvel's books but it takes murder a bit more seriously.
i think the unspoken mainstream superhero "comics code" wrt murder for the past two decades is that it's okay to show villains killing if it *furthers the plot* and it's okay for heroes to kill if the people they're killing REALLY deserve it. the murders in Vision are unwarranted and have grave repercussions as opposed to punisher just fucking killing people left and right.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:13 (five years ago) link
That Cosmic Ghost Rider mini is basically a humorous gloss on What If afaict.
― Liberals are insane in the mimbrain!!! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:13 (five years ago) link
Shakes, Marvel puts out 457 titles a month, no way is that <50%.
― Liberals are insane in the mimbrain!!! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:14 (five years ago) link
cosmic ghost rider has been quite fun imo but, as far as this discussion goes, it takes killing people as seriously as deadpool does
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:15 (five years ago) link
>50% rather
― Liberals are insane in the mimbrain!!! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:15 (five years ago) link
the murders in Vision ... have grave repercussions
do they though? They appear to have grave repercussions *at first*, within the context of the story, but by the end he's escaped the consequences of actions by virtue of his wife's sacrifices... and he just starts building himself another wife. Also no one really cares that that Grim Reaper is dead cuz c'mon now. And the dead civilians fade into the background.
I was just going off the weekly list mh posted OL
xps
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:18 (five years ago) link
I'd need to reread but i recall the murders destroying vision's family, even though he's saved the universe 17 times yadda yadda yadda so they certainly proved impactful enough to dislodge a cyborg god's way of being
here's a fun recap of the house of ideas monthly hit ratio in 2017https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/2017-year-almost-everything-went-wrong-marvel-comics-1070616
i think marvel and DC put out about 50 to 60 single issue titles a month? maybe more? it's got to be an unprecedented glut at the moment.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:20 (five years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_Marvel_Comics_publicationshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_DC_Comics_publications
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:24 (five years ago) link
I've been sorting comics lately and (as you might imagine) have quite a number of Marvel comics. I think I have roughly the same number of boxes for stuff from the past five years as I do for maybe a decade and a half that preceded it. It's kinda ridiculous.
― Liberals are insane in the mimbrain!!! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:26 (five years ago) link
Humblebrag here
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:31 (five years ago) link
if one were to purchase a hard copy of every new single issue marvel book solicited for release in october (excluding reprints, knick knacks, bound editions and whatnot), it would run you about $390 plus tax. add in variant covers and you're pushing $500 a month.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:33 (five years ago) link
It's probably more 'admission of serious illness' than 'humblebrag' but potayto potahto I guess.
― Liberals are insane in the mimbrain!!! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:33 (five years ago) link
I'm probably the only one who cares, but a little disappointed that the current version of Marvel Comics Presents will probably end with #9. It's been a fun book - the Soule Wolverine ongoing story is fun and I like the hidden conceit of this series - throwing characters into different real life time periods (Wolverine going through every decade since the '40s, Tony Stark in 2008, Spider-Man in 1983, etc.)
― Nhex, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 03:30 (five years ago) link
*starts reading House of X #2*
----ALERT------giant retcon incoming--
― untuned mass damper (mh), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 14:43 (five years ago) link
i have enjoyed the MCP reboot but i have enduring nostalgia for that series in general as v1 was the first book i ever had pulled from my local store
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 14:53 (five years ago) link
heh yeah nostalgia is probably a big draw for me too
― Nhex, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 15:26 (five years ago) link
Okay, I'm going to do a bodycount check for this week of Marvel/DC releases
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 19:46 (five years ago) link
may take a minute.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 19:47 (five years ago) link
I think the Marvel count was lower than I expected, but I maintain that many of these titles are definitely high bodycount!
― untuned mass damper (mh), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 20:18 (five years ago) link
limiting this to reasonably clear on-panel murders:Punisher #17: Punisher kills between 6 to 10 people, Ghost Rider appears to kill an additional two to five. Total body count: 8 to 15Old Man Quill #8 - Rocket kills 2 people/aliens, Gamora kills 3 people/aliens and mangles one of them after death, Drax rips 1 person/alien in half and impales another person/alien with half of them, a group of aliens/people stomps drax to death, gladiator incinerates mantis, the guardians (in a multi-panel flashback) kill around 6 to 15 people/aliens, quill (in an iron man suit) incinerates an imperial guard's head. Total body count: 16 to 25Absolute Carnage #1 - Mass grave with dozens of bodies unearthed, about a dozen people infected and presumably killed by carnage with a burrowing symbiote. Let's call it 12 dead with an asterisk?Aero #2 - nobody gets murderedStar Wars #70 - nobody gets murderedHouse of X #2 - 10 to 12 scientists are killed by the brotherhood of evil mutants, a character who has the ability to be reborn is burned to death "slowly, so she doesn't forget how dying like this feels", a sentinel kills a mutant in flashback, Moira assassinates four people, captain america/ms marvel/several others killed in a flash-forward sequence. Let's call that between 18 to 20 Marvel Comics #1 - This one reprints the original Marvel #1 from 1939, plus books from 1990, 1994 and 2009. 1939: torch kills two people, a thug kills three people, the Angel kills four people, two thugs kill each other, Sub Mariner kills five guys and wrecks a ship and an airplane, gun thugs kill a guy, the Masked Raider kills two guys (possibly more), two aboriginal Caribbean men are killed, aboriginal Caribbean men kill three invading guys, Ka-Zar's dad is killed, the torch kills two more people in a retelling of the same story. Total head count is 28. Golden Age!Sensational Spider Man #1 - no one is murderedDaredevil #9 - no one is murderedFuture Foundation #1 - no one is murderedSavage Avengers #4 - no one is murdered (though several people really REALLY try hard to murder each other)Major X #0 - Wolverine kills one to three people, Rob Liefeld murders perspectivethere's another ten or so books but this is boring me silly
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 20:28 (five years ago) link
Rob Liefeld murders perspective
the biggest lol in the otherwise awkward Seth Rogen/Charlize Theron "Longshot" film I watched last week was at the end when Rogen brags that his "First Mister" portrait in the White House was painted by Rob Liefeld
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 20:57 (five years ago) link
Aero #2 - nobody gets murderedStar Wars #70 - nobody gets murdered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob1rYlCpOnM
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 21:19 (five years ago) link
The whole horror gore stuff in movies has pretty much trickled down to being very mainstream at this point. Big shooting splatter shots is a big thing in lots of those TV cop dramas etc for a few years now.
The mainstream comic death that caught me as gruesome from a few years ago was when Black Hand "killed" himself in Green Lantern before Blackest Night. I think Doug Mahnke was the artist and I thought it was pretty bloody for Green Lantern.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 22:43 (five years ago) link
i'll concede that I generally dig Hickman's use of the Marvel toybox, but after reading House of X #2 color me very optimistic for whatever that giant retcon might look like.
esp enjoyed the cameo appearance of Chulthu Island, which was obv the most excellent tree fort of all Magneto's various tree forts
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 8 August 2019 02:13 (five years ago) link
Xpost
Yeah, I’m more troubled by gore than murder (stupid but true) but that’s what growing up when Rambo and 2000AD were popular will do for you.
OTOH Superman killing Zod is prob the most shocking panel on the other thread and that’s not gruesome at all.
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 9 August 2019 11:41 (five years ago) link
Loving the Hickman X books so far, especially House of X 2. Well-told, smart, longform stories are *exactly* what I love reading in superhero comics an adult — and what I’ve missed since Hickmanks Avengers and GM’s Batman runs ended. I’m actually excited to pick up a new issue on a Wednesday for the first time in forever.
At any rate, if any line was crying out for a hard reboot, it’s the X line, so I don’t have any problem with that — I just hope Hickman doesn’t get tangled up trying to reattach the books to continuity in future issues.
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 9 August 2019 11:53 (five years ago) link
xpost Always important to note how Superman's execution of the Kryptonian criminals was handled, too. He did what he saw as absolutely necessary and then immediately thereafter exiled himself to outer space because he felt he'd betrayed himself and the world by resorting to murder. A memorable alternative to the usual 'oops, sorry bruh' school of post-homicidal reactions in comics.
― Where Is The Univers (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 August 2019 11:54 (five years ago) link
Superman exiled in space was also when I started reading superhero comics! That seems worth the murder.
Usage Yojimbo might be a good example of a VERY murdery protagonist in a totally kid friendly comic
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 9 August 2019 12:11 (five years ago) link
Also something about the way the Zod murder isn’t presented in a kickassy/artsy way (i.e. Geoff Johns-style)
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 9 August 2019 12:15 (five years ago) link
You mean the thing where Superman avoids the urge to rip one of them in half and forcefeed his entrails to another before fashioning a new costume from the flayed skin of the third.
― Where Is The Univers (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 August 2019 12:25 (five years ago) link
Right, or the one where he rips off Zod's head and throws it, cannonball-style, through the chests of the other two
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 9 August 2019 13:33 (five years ago) link
I feel like Johns's compulsions might've been better served by like apprenticing under Tom Savini or something.
― Where Is The Univers (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 August 2019 14:02 (five years ago) link
You are truly a generous man to find a positive side to Geoff Johns’s worst habits
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 9 August 2019 14:27 (five years ago) link
Here’s some real blabbery... is this book worth getting? I’m intrigued by the below page, but the reviews of the collection aren’t strong...https://i.imgur.com/xfJEFb9_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
― 60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Saturday, 10 August 2019 00:02 (five years ago) link
(I love Spider-Woman, that’s my main focus here)
― 60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Saturday, 10 August 2019 00:06 (five years ago) link
Hah. I overall liked Bendis' New Avengers run - you might as well start from the beginning if you're gonna dive into it
― Nhex, Saturday, 10 August 2019 00:12 (five years ago) link
I don't know that I'd recommend a random volume of crossover-bound Bendis Avengers sight unseen (although I'm perhaps the rare voice that will rep for his run more generally), but there is actually a collected Spider-Woman: Agent of SWORD miniseries by Bendis if you're looking for more of this specific thing.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Saturday, 10 August 2019 00:14 (five years ago) link
Yeah yeah no I have that, and like it a lot... and that dialogue makes this sound like a “continuation” of sorts? What’s the very beginning of this whole Bendis Avengers saga?
― 60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Saturday, 10 August 2019 00:17 (five years ago) link
They recently put out 'Complete Collections' of his entire run on New Avengers, so grab volume one and go to town.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Saturday, 10 August 2019 00:22 (five years ago) link