Tried the first omnibus of Valerian & Laureline (titled simply Valerian to tie in with the film), consisting of the first 3 volumes. Gave up just over half way through. I could see the improvements by the third episode and that is where many say it really begins but at the time I just couldn't hack it. I didn't hate it or anything but things about the style and the panel arrangements made it a bit offputting for me. Read the Tuomas guide and since his recommendation would require only a further 3 omnibuses, I think I'll buy those and try again later. This might be a bad idea to ignore all my warning signs but I'm just very intrigued by all this acclaim. I'm bad for buying comics in bulk and then realizing I just cant get very far with them. I try to block out my memory how much they cost.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 4 January 2019 19:06 (two months ago) Permalink
Yeah, sadly Valerian & Laureline is your textbook example of "gets better as it progresses". It started out as an adventure comic for kids, which is obvious with the first two books. The political allegory and social commentary doesn't really kick in until the 1970s. Looking at what's included in the omnibuses, vol. 2 is already way better than vol. 1, and vol. 3 has what I would argue are the three best books in the entire series. So if you still don't like it after reading vol. 3, there's no point in buying any of the later ones, it doesn't get any better than that.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 11:08 (two months ago) Permalink
And you absolutely should not buy vols 6 & 7, the diminishing quality of both the art and especially the writing is just sad. Vol 5 is borderline, IMO only one of the three books included in it ("The Living Weapons") is good, and you really don't need to follow the longer story arc beyond "The Wrath of Hypsis", which provides a decent enough finale for the series. The actual series finale ("Memories from the Futures") is just embarrassingly bad.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 11:14 (two months ago) Permalink
Haha, looks like even Cinebook realised "Memories from the Futures" is bad, because it's not included in the omnibuses, the final omnibus ends with the penultimate book. Though to be fair, the penultimate book was originally supposed to be the final book, until Mezieres and Christin decided to do one more victory lap.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 11:19 (two months ago) Permalink
Love Tom King's stuff and Clay Mann's a good artist, I've been reading Heroes in Crisis.Anyone read #4? It's weird that... well... there's some strangely contextualized sexualized female shots in this? Maybe it's just me, but I'm talking about the full page Lois pin-up in the Superman shirt and panties saying "What do you want me to do?" to the reader and ESPECIALLY the Batgirl confession that has her pointing out her bullet wound in an almost fetishistic fashion.If this were an everyday teen manga I probably wouldn't even notice it but it's really odd in such a serious story, isn't it?
― Nhex, Friday, 11 January 2019 00:20 (two months ago) Permalink
I saw a few articles in the comic/pop-culture press reporting on that (one included the full Batgirl page as part of the discussion). A particular panel of Poison Ivy was also being discussed in the same context (I won't mention the specific content of the panel, as it's spoiler-y).
My "takeaway" was that I've seen more sexualized art in comics; but I've also seen, er, less sexualized art. It didn't look like something I'd want to read, anyway.
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Friday, 11 January 2019 00:32 (two months ago) Permalink
(for other reasons, artwork aside... but I also didn't care for the art.)
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Friday, 11 January 2019 00:33 (two months ago) Permalink
I didn't completely see the furore about the Batgirl page - I didn't think it was any worse than the Poison Ivy or Black Canary ones - but the Lois page, which nowhere seems to making a big deal out of that I read, was just awful.
I've actually been nearly enjoying Heroes In Crisis at the plot level, but the execution is kind of off.
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Friday, 11 January 2019 10:21 (two months ago) Permalink
heroes in crisis feels a bit like a geoff johns joint tbh which is to say, i'm not liking it
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 11 January 2019 12:23 (two months ago) Permalink
King's style has become too self-parodic and decompressed - like he's having his own "overindulgent mid-2000s Bendis" phase.
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 11 January 2019 15:20 (two months ago) Permalink
And I'm not sure having stabby psychopaths and Booster doing Robin Williams in Fisher King is really the greatest way of, er, "addressing mental health issues". (I mean, for comparison's sake, look how great Stan Lee - of all people! - is at portraying depression in FF 51.)
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 11 January 2019 15:25 (two months ago) Permalink
To quote Alan Moore: “None of you understand. I'm not locked up in here with YOU. You're locked up in here with ME.” 🤣 https://t.co/8TCmKNJlkD— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) January 11, 2019
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 11 January 2019 17:32 (two months ago) Permalink
beat me to it
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 11 January 2019 18:34 (two months ago) Permalink
FWIW, Alan Moore said he was terrified that there were actually people out there who thought Rorschach was cool.— Elitist Dentist-Goer (@agraybee) January 11, 2019
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Friday, 11 January 2019 19:20 (two months ago) Permalink
I guess we're only allowed to cheekily quote sympathetic fictional characters now
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 11 January 2019 19:26 (two months ago) Permalink
Given the critical faculties of a public that is probably convinced that AOC will be donning a swirly-twirly mask any day now, I guess so.
― A Nugatory Excrescence (Old Lunch), Friday, 11 January 2019 19:37 (two months ago) Permalink
Bought a two issue serialization of Kaluta's Carson Of Venus. Why bother serializing a reprint over two issues? For the variant covers probably. I think serializing reprints in floppies is madness in general.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 25 January 2019 20:42 (one month ago) Permalink
I got a cut out hardcover of Annihilator by Grant Morrison and Frasier Irving last weekend. Irving's artwork is even better than the DC stuff he did with Morrison and some pages seem to be channeling some Bill Sienkiewicz during Elektra Assassin days. It's a fun read, pretty much Grant goes to Hollywood story and the multiverse reacts.
― earlnash, Saturday, 26 January 2019 20:36 (one month ago) Permalink
I also happen to be re-reading Valis by PKD and Annihilator has two items both the "download into the mind" and "the creator god was insane, which is why the universe is f-ed up" sentiments pretty much straight from the book. It was a very PKD synchronicity.
― earlnash, Saturday, 26 January 2019 20:37 (one month ago) Permalink
Irving's artwork is even better than the DC stuff he did with Morrison
disagree, the almost total absence of backgrounds especially makes panel-to-panel continuity a pain to try and infer
― sans lep (sic), Saturday, 26 January 2019 21:19 (one month ago) Permalink
Irving's artwork is a bit different style, he seems to use a bunch more feathery detail work on everything. Some of the pages are also almost designed paintings with the text overlaid including the pages on the godworld and viewing the space station. Those were some of the pages that reminded me of Billy the Sink.
Can't remember if Irving colored his own artwork on the DC comics or not.
― earlnash, Saturday, 26 January 2019 21:40 (one month ago) Permalink
I thought it was pretty fun and would read a sequel, if ever made.
― earlnash, Saturday, 26 January 2019 21:41 (one month ago) Permalink
Need to track down the last 2 issues of Nameless, which I never got on my pull list. Did not see how that crazy story was going to wrap up in 2 issues at all, it seemed like it was setup to be a longer series to me on the first 4.
― earlnash, Saturday, 26 January 2019 21:43 (one month ago) Permalink
I lost patience with Nameless, the body horror stuff was a bit offputting. IMO GM is much stronger at showing the horror/weirdness in the quotidian that going full oogum-boogum-horror.
I kinda hate Irving's art, I'm afraid. Klarion was fine but everything since has Bachalo-levels of unintelligibility to me, and I don't like the way he draws faces.
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 28 January 2019 13:24 (one month ago) Permalink
I know this is not exactly the right thread for this - do we have a thread for superhero movies that don't have their own thread yet? - but the news that there's going to be a Birds of Prey movie with* Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn* Jurney Smollett-Bell as Black Canary* Mary Elizabeth Winstead as Huntress* Rosie Perez as Renee Montoyahas brightened my day a bit
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 15:25 (one month ago) Permalink
Formatting help you lieeeee
i'll put money on that movie never materialising
― maxwell’s silver hang suite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 15:28 (one month ago) Permalink
You don't think they'll release the Birds of Prey movie they're shooting right now?
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 15:51 (one month ago) Permalink
It's the next The Day the Clown Cried.
― See you later, I'm going to go take a look at this suicide robot. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 15:58 (one month ago) Permalink
I knew that would happen once I heard about the subplot with Jared Leto in a concentration camp.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 15:59 (one month ago) Permalink
St Marks Place closing next monthhttps://www.facebook.com/stmarkscomicsny/posts/1981009038615305
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 31 January 2019 21:18 (one month ago) Permalink
Huh... I lived in NYC at one point, but don’t remember a comic shop on St. Marks.
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Friday, 1 February 2019 05:11 (one month ago) Permalink
Seriously?!? That place was my store for like six years. It's very much what I think of when I think of a comic book shop.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 1 February 2019 05:13 (one month ago) Permalink
so... if i want to give less money to amazon but my LCS is a dumpster fire (I've ordered about a dozen books this year through them that just never showed up) what's a good slightly more ethical source of comix
― Nhex, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 06:35 (one month ago) Permalink
buying direct from the artists, or from What Things Do, or Wow Cool, or Spit And A Half (though I think he's reducing his operations?), or Emerald Comics Distro, or direct from publishers, or from comic shops that do mail order, or etc etc etc
― steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 08:04 (one month ago) Permalink
Try doing that from Australia and you'll be bankrupt in a day.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:20 (one month ago) Permalink
I pretty much used to use my tax return to clear off my comics-ordering bill for the year, before postage went completely insane 5-6 years ago.
buying Australian comics direct from the artists has pretty much been the only option in Sydney since Land Beyond Beyond closed 20-odd years ago
― steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:29 (one month ago) Permalink
i looked at those but they're pretty specific to particular artists and labelslooking for more general stuff. maybe i'll just stick to midtowncomics
― Nhex, Wednesday, 20 February 2019 05:52 (three weeks ago) Permalink
well you did just ask for more ethical sources of comics w/ no further guidelines! buying direct from the artists is usu. going to limit you to those artists’ comics, yeah
― steven, soda jerk (sic), Wednesday, 20 February 2019 07:12 (three weeks ago) Permalink
closing entry on the ham fisher/al capp feud on TCJ comes with a solidly intriguing theory on the grit that caused the pearl:http://www.tcj.com/hubris-and-chutzpah-how-lil-abner-kayod-joe-palooka-and-both-their-creators-came-to-grief-part-9/
Was surprised to find this on spotify btw:https://folkways.si.edu/al-capp/an-interview-with/oral-history-biography/album/smithsonianhttps://open.spotify.com/album/1eWf9BydlQx4uTfH7WodAt?si=bDnVHUCFTCmyy9ga5bpoLA
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 21 February 2019 20:34 (three weeks ago) Permalink
In December, Viz releases Junji Ito's adaptation of Osamu Dazai's No Longer Human. I had no idea he had done such a thing.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 23 February 2019 21:59 (three weeks ago) Permalink
Gahan Wilson is suffering from advanced dementia and needs help. His wife of many decades passed away Saturday and as a result he is going to be discharged from the assisted living facility where they lived. https://www.gofundme.com/gahan-wilson-team-effortSpeaking for myself, Wilson was the first invasion of my little mind by the Weird - my uncle gave my dad a copy of And Then We’ll Get Him for Xmas when I was 7 or 8 and I imbibed it utterly, terrified and transfixed by a world of bodily instability, disease and mutation which was also, apparently, funny??? God bless this man.
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Monday, 4 March 2019 17:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink
that's hugely sad to hear
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 March 2019 19:53 (two weeks ago) Permalink
I'm reading Uncomfortably Happily by Yeon-sik Hong. Comics artist couple move from Seoul to the sticks and deal with career and money worries, the cold, transportation. The protagonist is an archetypal Indie Comics Dude in a way - self loathing, neurotic, frequently a dick to his wife. But despite that I'm finding the narrative likeable and engaging - also fascinated by the author's choice of doing frequent musical numbers, which surely is not what the medium of comics is best suited to.
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 10:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink
that's an interesting book but soooooooooooooooo long.but it's a biography so he's really gotta makes you feel their pain
― Nhex, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 00:54 (one week ago) Permalink
Yeah, it's super long. I got through most of it at one sitting because I was waiting for something, otherwise I dunno if I would have had the patience.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 11:01 (one week ago) Permalink
That Kirkman related Die!Die!Die! was not very good at all. I liked some of Chris Burhams earlier comics but man this one is gory as he!!. It's definitely trying to go over the top like something written by Garth Ennis, Millar or Hickman have done but with even less nuance.
― earlnash, Saturday, 9 March 2019 18:02 (one week ago) Permalink
Also kinda weird that it came out through Image the same time as Gillen/Hans' Die (which I'm liking so far!)
― Nhex, Saturday, 9 March 2019 18:37 (one week ago) Permalink
Kirkman is not very good at all
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 9 March 2019 19:01 (one week ago) Permalink
https://www.instagram.com/p/BbpnUgulSSI/Jeremy Bastian is killing it these days.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 9 March 2019 20:23 (one week ago) Permalink
Have not finished it, but I liked Outcast pretty well. I've tried with Walking Dead but have never finished the first omnibus. I liked his run on Ant-man, that was pretty fun.
― earlnash, Sunday, 10 March 2019 06:23 (one week ago) Permalink
Picked up a volume of the Fantagraphics Disney collection focusing on European artists - this stuff is super interesting to me, having read Disney comics as a kid and never having gotten any kind of explainer of how the system works - there's Italian, Danish and Brazilian writers that I know of, probably there's a ton more. And of course they wouldn't get credit on the comics themselves.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 11 March 2019 11:26 (one week ago) Permalink
Half-off sale on a hundred books at Fanta (plus some other things, like early-90s postcard sets): http://www.fantagraphics.com/bargain-books/
― steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 20:44 (forty-eight minutes ago) Permalink