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Where Dr. Doom stands in Ground Zero with Magneto and the Kingpin and he is shedding a tear???

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

― Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Wednesday, 15 February 2006 21:35 (twenty years ago)

http://www.authentichistory.com/images/attackonamerica/comics/spider-man_36_09.jpg

― Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Wednesday, 15 February 2006 21:35 (twenty years ago)

This is one of those things that looks cheesy beyond belief outside of the cultural context. I don't think it's that laughable, though. Just embarassing.

P.S. That's Juggernaut behind Doom.

― mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 21:43 (twenty years ago)

I think that implying that Magneto mourns the random death of innocents is pretty laughable, in fairness.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 21:52 (twenty years ago)

if magneto really cared, he would have hurled the planes into jersey.

― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:05 (twenty years ago)

That's true, Andrew, but if there is anything that's been consistent in Magneto's characterization over the years, it's that he's a HUGE hypocrite and fancies himself to be a noble man.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:05 (twenty years ago)

9/11 isn't much compared to what Magneto did to the city in Planet X!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:06 (twenty years ago)

The "cultural context" being writers and artists who have no moral problems creating villains that kill and maim at will but feel that they can somehow interact with the real world through their work. See, Magneto doesn't cry when he kills a comic book person but he does when a real person dies.

― mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:09 (twenty years ago)

magneto is not crying!!! he is the stoic one! doom is crying because much of the business taking place at the WTC was actually secret fundraising for his latverian death labs.

― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:11 (twenty years ago)

Why would Magneto care? Why would he even pretend to care? If he's in "mutants are the new humanity, fuck the old-style humans" mode, why would he care about a few old-style humans being killed? Has Dr Doom never tried to pull off a plan that would have resulted in a few thousand dead innocents? Have Juggernaut and Kingpin gone out of their way in the past to save orphans and puppies?

Of course, all of this pales into insignificance beside the 'fable' of the elephant and the rats (?) from that 911 book.

― Ray (Ray), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:12 (twenty years ago)

Well, in fairness, Magneto ain't crying. He's just looking around, maybe taking notes on the situation, perhaps thinking "not bad for a bunch of humans" and "Mmmmm - maybe I'll use Manhattan as my target, this is doing the trick in terms of grabbing media attention."

Victor Von Doom is the big crybaby here!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:17 (twenty years ago)

Maybe it's a Doombot programmed to garner public sympathy.

So if 9/11 "happened" in Marvel world, did they explain away what all those NYC superheroes were doing at the time?

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:18 (twenty years ago)

That's the Kingpin AND Juggernaut behind Doom.

But, yeah, Mike H OTM - this is a 4th-wall break-thru acknowledgement from the company (via the "hired help") re: real world events that has sweet FA to do w/ Marvel shenanigans. Mother Box the dork that actually does attempt to justify this book in the grand scheme of Marvel continuity (& send 'em a No Prize, too).

O/U on time until someone finds a comic book forum thread that tries to turn this trick: 6 hours.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:20 (twenty years ago)

That's not really Doom. Magneto trapped Reed Richards inside Doom's armour. Hence the crying.

All the superheroes were at a key party, which is why Marvel have never explained their absence in detail.

― Ray (Ray), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:20 (twenty years ago)

Or THIS could be the thread in question.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:24 (twenty years ago)

Dr. Octopus is thinking, "Why did I choose to stand so far in the back, WITH MY BACK TURNED? DO I NEED A CHEAP STUNT TO GET NOTICED NOWADAYS?"

[Enter AUNT MAY]

― c(''c) (Leee), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:24 (twenty years ago)

Man, Doom is a total puss in real life. He's always crying and renting Sandra Bullock movies.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:27 (twenty years ago)

Can Marvel award a No Prize to an entire message board thread?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:29 (twenty years ago)

who wrote the book in question?

they shoulda had Galactus wiping a tear away…

― veronica moser (veronica moser), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:31 (twenty years ago)

"ALL THAT DELICIOUS CAPITALISM!!! WASTED!!!"

― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:35 (twenty years ago)

My theory about Doc Ock and Juggie is that they're enjoying a street mime's diverting antics.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:35 (twenty years ago)

Magneto's about to kill some firemen in the second panel.

― Vic F (Vic Fluro), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:00 (twenty years ago)

they shoulda had Galactus wiping a tear away…

...crashing to Earth, flooding the eastern seaboard, knocking the planet off its axis and causing a new ice age.

― telephone thing, Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:44 (twenty years ago)

I would have called this thread The story of humanity is written not in towers but in tears

I really can't see Juggernaut anywhere.

― chap who would dare to be slightly tipsy on the internet (chap), Thursday, 16 February 2006 01:04 (twenty years ago)

Ok, don't panic, I've seen Juggernaut now.

― chap who would dare to be slightly tipsy on the internet (chap), Thursday, 16 February 2006 01:08 (twenty years ago)

Where are the Red Skull? Loki? What exactly qualifies Doc Ock & Juggernaut to stand beside Magneto & Doom?

― David N (David N.), Thursday, 16 February 2006 01:58 (twenty years ago)

All those villains just look a little miffed that Al Quaida have been far more efficent at killing innocents than them. Doc Doom's crying for all those millions he spent on elaborate time travel plots when he could've just flown some planes into some buildings.

― chap who would dare to be slightly tipsy on the internet (chap), Thursday, 16 February 2006 02:02 (twenty years ago)

> Where are the Red Skull? Loki?

Gitmo, along with The Owl and Man-Mountain Marko.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 16 February 2006 02:05 (twenty years ago)

this might be an opportune time to note that Frank Miller is doing Batman: Holy Terror!, wherein BM goes after Al Qaeda. Given his recent output, I expect suckassitude of multiple varieties…

― veronica moser (veronica moser), Thursday, 16 February 2006 02:27 (twenty years ago)

That's getting covered in the Brutally thread, actually.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 16 February 2006 02:29 (twenty years ago)

wherein BM goes after Al Qaeda.

Wherein Frank Miller lives out his macho fantasies of going after Al Qaeda himself.

― chap who would dare to be slightly tipsy on the internet (chap), Thursday, 16 February 2006 02:38 (twenty years ago)

oops…sorry!

― veronica moser (veronica moser), Thursday, 16 February 2006 02:41 (twenty years ago)

Why?

It ain't no thing, and its perfectly appropriate to bring it up in this thread. I just thought you might like to see what's already been said in another perfectly appropriate thread.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 16 February 2006 02:51 (twenty years ago)

this might be an opportune time to note that Frank Miller is doing Batman: Holy Terror!, wherein BM goes after Al Qaeda.

that's exactly what prompted this thread lol

― Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Thursday, 16 February 2006 09:44 (twenty years ago)

I like to think that Kingpin is holding a lollipop in that first panel.

― dave k, Thursday, 16 February 2006 14:52 (twenty years ago)

Where is Galactus eh?

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:29 (twenty years ago)

The dude has feelings!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:39 (twenty years ago)

this thread = LAFFS

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:47 (twenty years ago)

The only 9/11-related comix worth a tinker's damn I read was the first issue of EX MACHINA. That issue of Spiderman just made me want to scream, and not in a good way. Superheroes/villains squaring off against real-world events usually comes off about as true as say, HEROES FOR HOPE or your average very special episode.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:24 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I was gonna say that Ex Machina did the damn thing right - the last page actually choked me up a bit. Dr. Doom being a big girlyman, not so much.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:26 (twenty years ago)

For that alone, JayEmmEss needs to have his stomach roasted in Hell.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Thursday, 16 February 2006 23:05 (twenty years ago)

but this is making me think…

has Doom ever rilly been a mass murderer? He wants Richards dead, and to subjugate humanity, but has he really killed lots of folks he didn't know?

and Magneto no likey homo sapiens, but does he want them dead, or does he want mutants to run shit? (i have no idea what happened with all that Genosha jive).

ditto for Kingpin and Doc Ock—both just wanna be rich, right?

thoughts?

― veronica moser (veronica moser), Friday, 17 February 2006 00:00 (twenty years ago)

Magneto definitely would prefer the humans to be dead!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 17 February 2006 00:06 (twenty years ago)

Let's never forget that Magneto is a genocidal terrorist fuckhead.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 17 February 2006 00:07 (twenty years ago)

i now regret this thread in the extreme

― Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Friday, 17 February 2006 00:28 (twenty years ago)

REMEMBER 911

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 17 February 2006 00:30 (twenty years ago)

I think it's pretty credible that Doc Ock and the Kingpin would be upset, they're pretty normal ppl in the end, Kingpin's just yr average crime-lord and the doctor, well, a bit psychotic to say the least, but certainly capable of feeling compassion and sorrow and such.

Magneto, total genocidal maniac, yeah. His "noble" streak just means that he'd interpret this as yet another demonstration that humankind is scum and homo superior needs to take over.

Dr.Doom might have a moral code, but he has his own country, which I'd always imagined as being pretty cut-off from western ideological lines. As such, it's kind of hard for me to justify that - if he were to get upset about the slaughter of civilians - 9/11 would be the occasion where he decides to show it, as opposed to any of a number of other wars/disasters/attacks. I guess you could make a case for him still having a little emotional attachment to the USA? He studied there, right?

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 17 February 2006 00:37 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Magneto would totally be like "See how the age of the Homo Sapiens is brought ever closer to its inevitable end!" He doesn't actually look very upset at all in that sequence of panels.

― chap who would dare to be drunk on the internet (chap), Friday, 17 February 2006 02:39 (twenty years ago)

on the other side of the fence…

The Joker might take a Stockhausen-style view: "this is the greatest art statement/joke evah—I'm jealous (I think stockhausen had a point—flame away!!!!)

the Luthor/Trump iteration wouldn't dig it…but what about Dr. Light? darkseid? Solomon Grundy? Sinestro? What the fukk would Mr. Mind think?

― veronica moser (veronica moser), Friday, 17 February 2006 03:54 (twenty years ago)

Galactus would go "Bah, there goes by hors d'oeuvres".
Two-Face would have left one tower standing.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 17 February 2006 10:35 (twenty years ago)

Darkseid wouldn't have noticed. Luthor definitely woulda been pissed (esp. since he was Prez of DCUSA at the time: Lexowarbots in the Middle East by noon, Sept. 12).
And, fwiw, I think the Society of Supervillain's Chemo blitz of Bludhaven wuz supposed to be an equivalent to 9/11, only Earth-2 is Islam.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:47 (twenty years ago)

Does that mean we shd look forward to superfolks pulling down the Anti-Monitor Rabbit Ear w/ a bunch of ropes?

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:53 (twenty years ago)

Nightwing is the new Giuliani.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:55 (twenty years ago)

It would just be a normal day in Mega City-1.

― chap who would dare to be completely sober on a friday night (chap), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:57 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

http://bestmessageboardever.com/uploads/monthly_04_2008/post-1452-1208646020.jpg

― cankles, Saturday, 19 April 2008 23:11 (eighteen years ago)

Well, at least there's ONE character in there that makes sense. Kingpin loves America so much, he fought the Red Skull in a half-naked wrestling contest.

― Nhex, Sunday, 20 April 2008 04:40 (eighteen years ago)

I think Kingpin mourning is the only one that makes sense, because he's totally a NYC man, plus he's been shown to have a softer side (the whole Vanessa thing during Miller's DD run, for example). I don't see why Magneto or Doom would cry for the death of Americans, or humans even.

― Tuomas, Sunday, 20 April 2008 09:46 (eighteen years ago)

Do you think all the super villains phoned each other and were like "Dude, did you hear what's just gone down in New York? Wanna go and stand in the wreckage and cry?"
"Sure bro, sounds like a fun day out."

― chap, Sunday, 20 April 2008 12:36 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, that page irritates the shit out of me. Doom and Magneto would be going "damn, I wish I'd thought of that."

― Rock Hardy, Sunday, 20 April 2008 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

My opinion remains unchanged. As a nod from creators to horrible real world events that would be eclipsed by the lamest B-villain's attempts to Take Over The World, I suppose it serves a purpose. As a straight-up, man, this really happened in the Marvel U, it's still ridiculous and out of character.

― Matt M., Sunday, 20 April 2008 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

I imagine it happened in the Ultimate universe, what with the Iraq War stuff in The Ultimates. Was it refernced in Ultimate Spidey at all?

― chap, Sunday, 20 April 2008 15:50 (eighteen years ago)

y'know, in the two years since this thread, I've wondered about how DC positioned Black Adam as a major antagonist and stressing his origins in the Middle East, which predated 9/11 by a few years. Do y'all think this was to acknowledge tensions between the arab world and the west?

― Veronica Moser, Sunday, 20 April 2008 19:56 (eighteen years ago)

Has anyone read the story that page is from, is there some context for all the supervillains hanging in the wreckage? And where are all the superheroes?

― Tuomas, Sunday, 20 April 2008 20:55 (eighteen years ago)

lololololololololol

― HI DERE, Monday, 21 April 2008 17:43 (eighteen years ago)

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