Major superheroes/villains who died and have stayed dead - are there any?

I just read last night that Hickman has a 60-issue FF run mapped out.

hm. i really remember some alan davis run of something where psylocke was an evil persona. maybe captain britain?

I think you're thinking of Sat-Yr-9?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/05/CourtneySatyr9.PNG/220px-CourtneySatyr9.PNG

Right you are! I'm just surprised I remember ANY of this nonsense.

and wasn't Jim Lee to blame for ninjapsylocke?
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Psylocke-Jim-Lee-Trading-Card-620x412.jpg

I guess it's easy to mix up the earlier Captain Britain stories with Excalibur, since they were both drawn by Alan Davis and both featured a lot of the same characters. Initially, Excalibur was pretty much a continuation of Captain Britain, wasn't it? IIRC Claremont had written CB before X-Men, and Betsy Braddock was originally created by him.

Also, wasn't Betsy herself Captain Britain at some point?

I always assumed the ninjafication of Psylocke was Jim Lee's idea, yeah. From what I've gathered, towards the end of the Lee/Claremont run Lee's influence had gotten pretty big, he was essentially plotting the stories, and Claremont just added the dialogue to stuff he'd already drawn. Kinda like how Stan Lee worked with Kirby and Ditko in the 60s.

Hmm, I just read Captain Britain's Wikipedia entry, and looks like Captain Britain himself and the whole CB series was created by Claremont and Herb Trimpe. I didn't know that! Since CB initially only appeared Marvel's UK comics, I assumed he'd been created by Britons.

lol herb trimpe; i never liked his "writing" or "art" even a little bit but he was kind of the Marvel Candide: always around major moments
at least until they chucked him: http://www.hulklibrary.com/hulk/info/news-herbtrimpefired.asp

^that times piece is really sad tho'

The only Trimpe I could ever tolerate was his Hulk work with a heavy overlay of John Severin. During my time away from comics, I picked up an issue of FF Unlimited that he'd drawn, and it was the most horrifying looking piece of shit -- I thought, "this company desperately needs to die right now."

claremont and trimpe were chosen to do captain britain 'cos they both had brit connections - claremont was born in england, and trimpe lived in the uk for a while in the early 1970s.

don't think trimpe did any writing, strictly a penciller irrc. he was one of those marvel vets who were pretty much told to draw like rob liefield in the 90s, and yeah the results were supremely hideous. don't mind his early work on the hulk even prior to john severin giving him the once-over, tho the trimpe/severin hulks are def his career highpoint (some gd roy thomas stories, too.)

John Severin could do no wrong, imho. Improved every book he ever touched.

Trimpe Hulk is great.

During my time away from comics, I picked up an issue of FF Unlimited that he'd drawn, and it was the most horrifying looking piece of shit -- I thought, "this company desperately needs to die right now."

ahahhahaha YES - - - I remember being reallllly underwhelmed by the art in FF Unlimited #2, the one with the Inhuman royal heir...bluuugh.

don't think trimpe did any writing

I'm pretty sure he both wrote and drew some issues of G.I. Joe Special Missions. Don't know about anything else.

I haven't been reading Fantastic Four for a while, but apparently Torch is back... So what does that leave us with? Wasp is still dead, I think. Was Elongated Man resurrected with the DC reboot?

Poor Ralph seems dead or never to have existed as far as I can tell.

Torch never died at all.

He totally died, several times! And then got regenerated. Credit to Hickman for a clever solution, though it wasn't entirely original. (Sir Richard Burton's escape-by-repeated-suicide method in the Riverworld books comes to mind.)

THE FRANCHISE CANNOT DIE. THE FRANCHISE IS IMMORTAL. LONG LIVE THE NEW FLESH.

I forgot the bug resurrection. My bad. For some reason in my head he was just captured.

I'm about a year behind on X-stuff, but I think Nightcrawler's still dead? Although Cable's back already, so I wouldn't say that definitively.

They killed Nightcrawler, then pulled in the AoA version of him to add to X-Force

Huh. Lame. If they really just wanted to half-heartedly fill the fuzzy blue elf void, isn't Nocturne still floating around out there somewhere?

I think she was last seen off with the Exiles? dunno tho

didn't even know nightcrawler was dead

yeah, he died saving Hope Summers' life from a super Sentinel

I would've spoiler-proofed that revelation if not for the fact that it happened a couple of years ago, which means we're no more than a couple of years from it being reversed like every X-death which proceeded it.

wait, Banshee is still dead

there's a running grim joke about it in X-Factor that pops up every now and then

I'll give 'em that. And Thunderbird. And I was gonna say Maggott, but I forgot that he was finally resurrected after years of incessant fan outrage.

they brought Thunderbird back for Necrosha briefly but he's gone again (actually I can't remember if Banshee came back for that, too) (apparently he did)

I want a villain to resurrect a fan favorite character only to disintegrate them immediately to show what a badass he/she is.

That was kinda the deal with the aforementioned Necrosha. Only a couple of the slew of resurrected characters made it out alive.

who the hell is hope summers?

scott's kid with jean?

Hope is the first mutant born after the "no more mutants" crap. She's rescued by Cable and brought up in the future by him. She takes his last name as her own.

oh hey, can someone update me on kitty pryde? last i checked she was unable to phase back into existence (bc of the bullet incident). is that still true? has she been in any badass comics i should read since she got back to earth?

For Kitty I would read the Wolverine and the X-Men comics. She's a teacher at the new institute. And she's back to normal Kitty now. I think. But I don't know how.

man i'm so far out of the loop, don't know what anyone's talking about anymore
i stopped after gmoz

the marvel online pass is catching me up.

you can find out how her powers went back to normal on Wikipedia; I won't spoil since EZ is currently reading

Thanks Dan!

I don't mind if you spoil it though. It'll be quite a while before I find out because I'm trapped in an Infinite loop in Starlin's subconscious.

i stopped after gmoz

Dude, that was eight years ago. That's, like, eighty in X-plot development years. I'm behind about a year and I feel like I have no idea what's up currently.

The question is why would you want to read? But then I'd been reading X-MEN on and off since 1981 so maybe I have a different view...

You can get away with killing off some of the X-men, except the originals and the 70s originals (for the most part), as they got like 200 characters. Crazy thing is that there are X-men fans that are die hard for Boom Boom or Forge or Strong Guy or Polaris.

that's the first time I've thought of Strong Guy in like a decade and a half

Strong Guy was recently killed, then resurrected without a soul, btw

Man i need to stay away from the MU

it was written by Peter David so it's actually been pretty entertaining