Batman: The Animated Series

She was for a long time a love interest for (the grown up) Robin / Nightwing though, so Batman hooking up with her in comics would be awkward for other reasons.

I think wins is right tbh, the whole idea of the "Batman family"

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creepy quasi-incestuous bit of slashfic in which Batwoman bones Bathound while Batman and Robin watch:

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deviant arf

Tuomas, I really don't know - felt like a Robin substitute to me when I watched. it's a mentor/pupil relationship at the least

for some reason I forgot that there's a Jonah Hex episode of B:TAS (using a Ra's al Ghul framing device) and it's scripted by Joe Lansdale! the jokes are funny but kid safe, really good stuff

Just saw that one for the first time recently. I've been slowly working my way semi-chrolologically through the entire Timmverse.

FYI, WB is FINALLY getting around to putting out the remainder of Static Shock and Zeta Project on DVD, thusly sating my OCD completist impulses.

Oh, and DC seems to be making good on collecting all of the Timmverse companion comics. They just finished Batman Adventures and they're well into Superman Adventures now.

I don't know what the occasion is or why it's suddenly 1995 again but I'll take it.

I think they're having some success with animation, but the new projects aren't necessarily good. So releasing the old shows that were actually good makes sense.

my kids are going through the Batman Adnetures/Superman Adventures tpbs, they're v good

the post-JLU new stuff (mid 2000's-on) released DTV is generally pretty mediocre. The Killing Joke was in particular was pretty bad, as you probably heard

xpost Yes, quality control of that entire franchise was surprisingly high. Exceptionally rare that a TV tie-in comic is good for much more than wrapping paper.

I haven't seen a single damn thing post-JLU, and nothing I've heard has suggested that I'm missing anything.

yeah they aren't good. Is Timm even involved w any of those?

i remember he produced some of the earlier ones which but even those were generally below the standard set by JLU

speaking of... I just watched Batman vs. Harley Quinn, which while fairly serviceable, is again just kind of barely above mediocre with some PG-13 gags that wouldn't have made it into the original BTAS run. Timm did produce this, so I guess he's still involved which is better than not, I suppose.

as a bonus feature, they included the BTAS episodes of "Harley and Ivy" and "Harley's Holiday" which were both so much better it was kind of sad that in 2017 the bar has fallen so low

woops, it's "and" Harley, not "vs" Harley. being brainwashed by DC storylines

Watched Mask of the Phantasm for the first time a few days ago. Fun! It's my favourite type of Batman story: a gangster story wrapped around a romance wrapped around a whodunnit. Could have done without the Joker though - needed more ANGST, less ACTION

I am... resistant to Harley Quinn in most formats. I gather she's basically DC's Deadpool now, but character seems hella sexist

she's based on a '40s gangster moll stereotype, so... yeah, kinda true. but many stories since her origin have given her different angles and motivations besides just being lovestruck and "dumb", eventually turning her into a full blown sympathetic anti-hero. (partially why she ended up pairing well with Poison Ivy, who was sort of a femme fatale stereotype rehabilitated over many decades) the inherent jokey sexism she came from gets balanced out a bit, and she's straight-up a really fun character in the right hands.

Mask is still great. i need to pick up that new Blu-ray release at some point

Mask of the Phantasm is the best Batman movie.

Yes.

And, additionally, I don't understand why DC keeps putting out new animated product (I mean, for the $$$ obviously, but still) when they already made the best superhero cartoons ever. You did it guys. You're done! Let it go!

dc in ‘making bad decisions’ shocker

I watched Wonder Woman yesterday, it felt like the first DC movie since Batman Returns to capture a certain DC-ness as well as the Dini stuff does. (DC-ness being a weird mix of soapy melodrama and dorky retro superhero stuff, which is different to Marvel.)

I think you just sold me on watching Wonder Woman.

it’s entertaining! mostly!

it’s easy to nitpick it away but it’s heart is def in the right place and the performances are charming

It's fun! Definitely goes off the rails In the last half hour, but without retroactively ruining the whole movie. Looking forward to the next one.

I love that the praise for the most highly-acclaimed DC movie is still saddled with qualifications (which, TBF, is also true of every decent non-MCU Marvel flick). But I'll check it out.

i mean it’s no mask of the phantasm, that’s fer sure

Well, I'd feel bad giving it a 100% thumbs up as it's not a 100% great movie. But like Biz says, the flaws aren't dealbreakers - whereas e.g. I still wish I could get back the hours of my life I wasted watching Dark Knight Rises. I had a similar feeling about Homecoming - charming but too long.

Oh man, Homecoming was fantastic! Completely exceeded expectations.

But this is not the place!

To give DC props, they are still treating the DCAU with the respect it deserves. BTAS is coming out on Blu-ray early next year, and they're surprisingly still releasing trades of the companion comics (my faith in their follow-through on that front being super low, having gotten burned most recently on the Sandman Mystery Theatre reprints which they cancelled after a whopping two collections).

Is the Superman show any good? It's the only one I've never seen.

Oh yeah. That, All-Star, and the first several years of Byrne & co.'s reboot are pretty much all the Superman I'll ever need.

STAS started off kinda slow but got real good by the end in my memories, same thing with Batman Beyond

I especially dig how Kirby's Fourth World stuff slowly encroaches upon the light-hearted Superman adventures taking place in the foreground.

Wonder Woman was so dull and slow and colourgraded and not-about-a-woman that I walked out halfway through and saw The House instead

same with the justice league cartoon - started slowly then knocked it out of the park when it became unlimited

that's true. though i'd say even by season 2 of JL they were killing it, like with that 2-part Joker ep

the Justice Gods one was also S2 i think

If we want to make this a recommendation thread for the best DCAU episodes, I wouldn't complain.

I decided to watch the recent Wonder Woman movie at motel room rental prices and fell asleep halfway into it. Such are vacation mistakes.

BTAS is still excellent every time I feel the need to rewatch. The balance of the animation style, noir tropes honored and subtly commented on, the little quips that paint Batman as self-aware, sometimes tragically, make it age well.

HFS @ Hopey Glass cameo in Batman, someone was having a lil fun at the animation studio that day

wait waht

I forget which episode it is but bruce wayne puts someone on a bus at the end of the episode and one of the other riders on the bus is v clearly Jaime’s Hopey.

I think it’s “I Am the Night”

I noticed it a few nights ago while watching w my daughter but only just now remembered i meant to post about it cuz it was p unexpected

huh, awesome!

I'd about say Batman: The Animated Series might be the best version of Batman done. It ties together so many of the things from the comics in the right tone.

kevin conroy is def the best batman ever

ok it wasn't that episode and it wasn't some random character it was the Penguin and Hopey's cameo is at about 4:05 here: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x50of14

ha! no chance that’s not supposed to be hopey