The best of Marc Loi : Facebook Feminist

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for me at least its that this guy is essentially just an MRA. or a like mirror-image MRA, like the whole schtick--and the writer he quotes, schwyzer, is like this too--is totally consistent with the MRA vision of the world, he just personally slots himself in the "beta" position

― max, Thursday, May 30, 2013 3:28 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I missed this somehow and would like to commend max for this observation

mh, Monday, 22 July 2013 16:52 (ten years ago) link

that FB post seems pretty reasonable?

loosely inspired by Dr. Dre (crüt), Monday, 22 July 2013 19:37 (ten years ago) link

i think marc loi is doing what he feels he needs to be doing in order to feel okay about himself, whatever that means for him personally.

― Treeship, Sunday, July 21, 2013 3:09 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

or he is just a tedious dude looking for absolution from women for his male privilege and he is making the feminist struggle - which is about women - about himself.

maybe these things are the same thing.

― Treeship, Sunday, July 21, 2013 3:10 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this guy chris crass is one of my favorite writers on subjects like these, and one of the points he touches on is that *when among other men*, anti-sexist men should be working to lead their groups, organizations, and friends towards anti-sexist thinking and practices. what's worth considering in that process, though, is the "public face" of that kind of work--if you're not willing to be relatively openly vulnerable about your own struggles confronting sexism (or maybe even if you are), then the kind of leadership-of-males chris advocates can wind up looking an awful lot like marc loi.

that having been said, sometimes i'm not entirely sure exactly what about loi is being mocked itt. obviously in some of these posts he's practically lip-licking at women under a thin veneer of body positivity, and that's super creepy and crypto-misogynist, and in other posts he's just sort of odd. but like this post in particular doesn't seem all that outlandish to me. is there more context that would clear it up?

BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 26 July 2013 16:02 (ten years ago) link

this post is fine. i think his early posts seem shitty to me, how he is chastising women for not living up to a "feminist" ideal of sexual morality that he has invented himself, while simultaneously deflecting criticisms from others by saying, essentially, "my ideas aren't coming from a place of insecurity because i can get laid, and my sexual virility entitles me to speak about these issues" which is as misogynistic as it gets, basically.

fervently nice (Treeship), Friday, 26 July 2013 16:07 (ten years ago) link

bc he is using his access to women as a status symbol which is more objectifying than 100 robin thicke videos. i'm thinking of the fourth post he wrote on that string of facebook comments at the top.

fervently nice (Treeship), Friday, 26 July 2013 16:10 (ten years ago) link

The best part of the summer - those pretty sundresses. I love the South.

waterface, Friday, 26 July 2013 16:19 (ten years ago) link

^^actual facebook post from the dude

waterface, Friday, 26 July 2013 16:22 (ten years ago) link

lol

I'm sure he is a fashionista and not merely appreciating the female form

carlos danger zone (mh), Friday, 26 July 2013 16:51 (ten years ago) link

he better watch out. we've got our eyes on him.

fervently nice (Treeship), Friday, 26 July 2013 16:58 (ten years ago) link

How is this guy misogynistic Treeship

badg, Friday, 26 July 2013 16:58 (ten years ago) link

i don't think he is a misogynist, but i think he's response to luke -- "i can get women off unlike you stfu" -- is pretty misogynistic, as is his expressed "disappointment" with women's behavior at a nightclub or whatever

fervently nice (Treeship), Friday, 26 July 2013 17:00 (ten years ago) link

it's the old schwyzer "women love me. i know it. they know it. and i know how to treat a woman right" that just seems paternalistic and more about one upping other guys than about helping women in any way.

maybe i am projecting something onto his statements, idk. he doesn't seem to be coming from a good place in those comments posted way on the top of the thread.

fervently nice (Treeship), Friday, 26 July 2013 17:03 (ten years ago) link

i am unfamiliar with this schwyzer person and i'd like to remain so

antoine fuckwant (goole), Friday, 26 July 2013 17:48 (ten years ago) link

i'm gonna try to learn everything i can about him just from people on ilx talking about marc loi

antoine fuckwant (goole), Friday, 26 July 2013 17:48 (ten years ago) link

haha. apparently he quit the internet last week because of criticisms from somebody ned knows.

fervently nice (Treeship), Friday, 26 July 2013 18:01 (ten years ago) link

What are you going to do now?
Work on getting mentally healthy. I need to get my meds right. Second, I need to get my marriage right. There’s some bad shit that went down. I had an affair, which is very off-brand for me.

Off-brand ... as in out of character?
In that I’m supposed to be reformed. The affair was with someone in the same circles that you and I move in, so I have to protect her. But there’s a lot of gossiping. It may reach you. Don’t be surprised.

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 15:41 (ten years ago) link

"Off brand." schwyzer is such a fucker

Treeship, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 15:42 (ten years ago) link

I had an affair, which is very off-brand for me
which is very off-brand for me
very off-brand for me
off-brand for me
off-brand
off-brand
off-brand

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 15:43 (ten years ago) link

what a nutcase

R'LIAH (goole), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 15:44 (ten years ago) link

But you do think feminism benefits from male writers.
I think we need good, brave, male voices who can take criticism and aren’t simply parroting the party line. I took Feminism 101. I know how to use all the big words. Look, intersectionality, I used it correctly in a sentence. I mean, fuck that. We need better than that.

mm, yes mr schyzer, you offer some trenchant critiques of the feminist establishment, indeed

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 15:48 (ten years ago) link

His whole career is intended as a meta critique duh

Treeship, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 15:50 (ten years ago) link

haha i dunno i'm dying of laughter at his playing the "oooo big words" trump card

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 15:51 (ten years ago) link

Nice way to change America.

loosely inspired by Dr. Dre (crüt), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 15:53 (ten years ago) link

It continually boggles my mind that guys will theorize and academize their feminism into a rote formula when the simple act of treating everyone you meet as kindly and respectfully as you would like to be treated yourself will get you about 80% of the way to not being an asshole.

THE WORINÐLVE (DJP), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 15:53 (ten years ago) link

Male feminists just can't catch a break

sleepingbag, Wednesday, 31 July 2013 15:54 (ten years ago) link

crut otm

BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 15:56 (ten years ago) link

you feminist MEANIES think you're so smart with you're BIG WORDS but the truth is that you're just a bunch of DUMB STINKHEADS with STUPID POOPY BUTTS

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 15:57 (ten years ago) link

lol crut

R'LIAH (goole), Wednesday, 31 July 2013 16:00 (ten years ago) link

christ on a bike

R'LIAH (goole), Friday, 9 August 2013 19:33 (ten years ago) link

yea. dude is out there right now on a catharsis binge. pretty intense.

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Friday, 9 August 2013 19:35 (ten years ago) link

twitter's not a great invention for some people

Treeship, Friday, 9 August 2013 19:36 (ten years ago) link

Well that finally got interesting.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Friday, 9 August 2013 19:37 (ten years ago) link

So the real story you all missed is that I talked my way into teaching women's studies on the basis of 2 undergrad courses only. The college knew that at the time, and since I had a history degree and wanted to teach it, they let me.
My expertise is British medieval church history. I had no business teaching feminism, however well I may have taught it. I then built a career as a well-known online male feminist on fraudulent pretenses. My mania let me talk a good game, but there was no there there.

So with the clarity that comes from a shitload of anti-psychotics, I'm sorry I've been such a breathtakingly cocky fraud.

I read one book of Kimmel's and made myself an expert on men and masculinity. I read a little bit about porn, and figured out how to make it a fun circus for all. I wanted my students to learn. I cared about them. I even loved them. I loved the attention more and I was fucking awesome at getting it.

Yes, no shit I'm having a manic break right now. I'll be fine, and I'll dump in some tranquilizers in a sec. But let the truth come out. The critics were right. I know I did a little bit of good. I know I helped a few people. But I did so much more harm by being fraudulent, by lying. My former friends and employers, I'm sorry. I meant well but I didn't have the credentials I pretended I did.

By the way do you know you only need a MA in history to teach any history course you like? That's the law. At least in my college.

So I got diagnosed bipolar with psychotic features but damn the Seroquel knocks me flat and I wanted to FEEL alive again So I will be okay. I'll go offline again. Just a manic episode that I'll regret. But I've been such a liar. A terrible liar. I hurt so many people with lies.

I was never qualified to teach any gender studies courses. I talked my way into all these gigs. I owe you the truth! Those of you tweeting at me to be quiet want me to cover it up. And yes, I networked like a motherfucker to get promoted. Which is how I got the gigs I got. I learned clickbait. Sometimes I fucked my way into a gig. I will come back when I am well and teach what I should be teaching. I will eventually be well. But I am deliberately letting this manic episode run so you can KNOW THE TRUTH.

My friends are calling but I'm not answering.

I made my writing all about me. I centered my pain and my cock. and I sold it to you. And WOC, yes you @amaditalks and @Blackamazon, you were right. I was awful to you because you were in the way. I am so so sorry that I let myself be like this. But I wanted atttention so f-ing bad. This was all about attention. I built a brand (remember "off-brand") on being something completely false to get approbation. I have to go away to learn how to hear other people. Through these voices in my head.

My friends who defended me I'm so sorry. You did all that work for nothing. The critics were right, they could see it. If you read @graceishuman or @redlightvoices you'll see they GOT ME EXACTLY right. I appropriated the language of redemption, I knew which buttons to push, I used sex and charm and whiteness and it usually worked.

So yes I'm bipolar as fuck that truth is out there. Yes I'm on a manic episode and feeling crazed. I should take the Seroquel that's right there but I'm tired of being medicated and numb. If youo think these tweets are off, you're so wrong. AT LAST the authentic Hugo. He's here! No mask. I'm set free by disease and disgrace. It feels so GOOD.

Why should I stop, friends? This is the truth coming out now! You can denounce me now. I'm out of feminism, not because I don't believe in it, but because I'm such a pisspoor example of it all.

I cheated on my wife and pretended to be reformed. I wrote an article in the Atlantic condemning age-disparate relationships the same ...that I was sleeping with a 23 year-old. And sexting a 27 year-old. Not my students at least. I'm a monstrous hypocrite. And I mocked the suffering of abuse survivors who were triggered by my work

This is real YOU WANT A PICTURE OF ME TO PROVE IT? No one has hacked me.

Look, I tried hard. I did love and do love many of you and believe in your work. When I promoted you, it was generally because you were doing good stuff. But I was just craving attention. I loved being the most notorious bad boy male feminist out there. I cultivated that shit so hard. I wrote that facials piece for Jez write after the first set of scandals about me broke. I did it because I wanted to send a message that the critics couldn't touch me. It was a metaphorical and literal "In your face!" to the haters.

My diagnosis, by the way? Bipolar disease with psychotic features plus BPD. I have all my meds lined up: lithium, seroquil, klonopin, wellbutrin, lexapro.

Oh, and the folks who are angry at me right now? Of course they know this is too little too late. I will get well but I left with my tail between my legs. With you all heaving sighs of gratitude. Now, now, now you get the truth.

BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 9 August 2013 19:38 (ten years ago) link

i was gonna say 'this is crazy!' before getting to the parts where it's literally about being gravely mentally ill.

R'LIAH (goole), Friday, 9 August 2013 19:39 (ten years ago) link

i don't like this person, but right now i am worried about him

Treeship, Friday, 9 August 2013 19:40 (ten years ago) link

Bipolar disease with psychotic features plus BPD

yo as shitty as this dude has been this is a fucking bear of a diagnosis and it explains a lot

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Friday, 9 August 2013 19:40 (ten years ago) link

somehow i missed the tweet in there where he said 'rethink callout culture'

hi my name is hugo schwyzer and even my attempt to redeem myself is just passive aggressive manipulative bullshit in disguise

BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 9 August 2013 19:42 (ten years ago) link

this shit is wrenching to read

Treeship, Friday, 9 August 2013 19:44 (ten years ago) link

the bits about banging porn performers and 23 y/o's -- narcissists gonna narse, even now huh

R'LIAH (goole), Friday, 9 August 2013 19:46 (ten years ago) link

"I loved being the most notorious bad boy male feminist out there."

max, Friday, 9 August 2013 19:46 (ten years ago) link

otm

BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 9 August 2013 19:46 (ten years ago) link

Maybe I'm feeling cold today but having read around the edges of some commenters who've been calling him out for MONTHS (a year? more?) while jezebel etc kept publishing him and his shitty writing, I'm unmoved. This guy needs to just disappear, and he can't even do that quietly because he's such a trainwreck.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Friday, 9 August 2013 19:46 (ten years ago) link

Hugo Schwyzer ‏@hugoschwyzer 30m

So yes, I sexted with a hooker. Yes, I wanted to have my students watch me screw James Deen.

"is this gonna be on the final?"

(sorry)

R'LIAH (goole), Friday, 9 August 2013 19:48 (ten years ago) link

its ok you guys the internet is on the case

Conner Habib ‏@ConnerHabib 4m
@hugoschwyzer @canislatrans @TheFrisky @Jezebel @PennyRed I am reporting this hacked account to twitter. Everyone dismiss until more info

BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 9 August 2013 19:48 (ten years ago) link

umm, this seems real to me

Treeship, Friday, 9 August 2013 19:49 (ten years ago) link

Conner Habib ‏@ConnerHabib 38s

@garconmeansboy @canislatrans @TheFrisky @Jezebel @PennyRed @hugoschwyzer All right. For now I must relent. It may well be him. Backing out.

R'LIAH (goole), Friday, 9 August 2013 19:49 (ten years ago) link

Maybe I'm feeling cold today but having read around the edges of some commenters who've been calling him out for MONTHS (a year? more?) while jezebel etc kept publishing him and his shitty writing, I'm unmoved. This guy needs to just disappear, and he can't even do that quietly because he's such a trainwreck.

― Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Friday, August 9, 2013 7:46 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

def seems like the kind to make passive aggressive feel-bad-for-me noise on his way out the door, and this is clearly that, but it doesn't make me any less sympathetic to him as a sick individual

BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 9 August 2013 19:50 (ten years ago) link

does this mean schwyzer fucked conner habib or what

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Friday, 9 August 2013 19:53 (ten years ago) link


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