― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 17:11 (seventeen years ago) link
It's definitely one of the most amazing mp3 blogs out there though. Really up a certain alley that I'm totally into.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link
xpost at dan, i wonder how many re-issue labels are inpired by or skrew-id by the share blogs. i've often wondered how Radioactives koffers are these days?
― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link
right now: queen "best friend"
my comment: "'oooooh you make me live' (sung) are those the words? why do i even know the words? you know this song is pretty amazing. everyone should be embarassed that it exists, yet ... noone is. and almost for good reason"
maybe im not being decent.
now its digable planets
― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― feed latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link
though i might have to call "living on my own" a pile of crap.
i dont understand how people can throw knives at queen, but like stuff like journey. or def leopard.
somehow after a couple queen numbers his shuffle has moved onto a weird obsession with the crappy band songs from the official release of "the basement tapes" ... go back to the queen, machine
or im putting kim fowley back on.
― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link
if it doesn't screw with the negotiations, no reason not to send him a polite advance message that you're already hoping for reissues... I'm definitely mixed about mp3 blogs, the idea that out of print albums are fair game definitely diffuses the incentive for anyone to reissue physical copies, all I can say is there are still maniacs there to invest when someone does, I bought the Cluster reissues on Water even though I already owned the Sky CDs just because they looked so fantastic, I am a sucker
― milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link
well... gosh
x-post
― milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link
im just going to sit here and think about brian mey's hair for a little while....
― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link
a lot of music critics for one. I think Queen really give diehard rockists fits, because it's very tough to deny they were a good rock band, yet they're so completely not cooperating with any notions of what's supposed to be cool -- EVEN WHEN THEY TRIED. When they did disco or punk or blues or whatever, it still just sounded like Queen. "Fun It"? Nobody played music like that except them. "Sheer Heart Attack" is maybe the proggiest punk song ever and it so completely rocks that I can't go on anymore.
― Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link
ennio morricone - 'white dog' ostfaron young - greatest hitscage/camu - nighthawks
― roger goodell (gear), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― 69 (plsmith), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link
I had some good connections to try to reach him but never heard back. I still hope. I try not to let the idea that something's been shared online stop us from pursuing a project, but it depends how obscure something is. Of course any music deserves decent treatment and artists paid and whatnot, but with some of this stuff, if a big blog posts an entire record (or discography) and the 20 people who would be excited get it, by the time it comes out legit, it may feel like yesterday's news. Whereas if you do it legit first, maybe those 20 people would get excited enough to help spread the word?
if it doesn't screw with the negotiations, no reason not to send him a polite advance message that you're already hoping for reissues... I'm definitely mixed about mp3 blogs, the idea that out of print albums are fair game definitely diffuses the incentive for anyone to reissue physical copies, all I can say is there are still maniacs there to invest when someone does
I've tended to talk about too much in advance, I hate to have to put my foot in my mouth so I'm avoiding asking people to take down stuff that I'd like to release, only when I'm pretty confident it's going to happen.
oh, wait a minute -- reissue as downloads?
Yeah. I think it's how everything's going to be soon enough. I'm just getting tired of the idea of us putting out CDs, maybe making our money back(especially since some of these "releases" are REALLY obscure, everybody's just going to share them online anyway, then you're stuck with another physical object that's just going to go out of print and end up on ebay with the original records. Just so everyone can buy the CDs, put them on their computer and listen on their iPods...Things like Apple's iTV and the Squeezebox are going to take over very soon and I think its worth making the music available in a legit way.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link
like Dan has said before I think vinyl (for the die-hards) + downloads (for the iPods) is gonna be the way things will go. CDs already feel pretty obsolete but I don't think people will stop pressing up collectors' edition vinyl anytime soon.
― dmr (Renard), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 20:32 (seventeen years ago) link
the problem with the death of labels and immediate accessability (whether via online sales or share) is quite obviously the glut. its going to take a lot of time for things to start really working out for those people looking to supply music (currently, the distribution systems online favor the "consumer").
i love that we can share things and that i can hear things. but hell i still go to the shops every week. thats impt. and i hate having music as "files", but like milton and dan, i will accept where this is most likely going
― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link
Milton- what you have to realize is the technology is moving fast. Compressed files? Hours downloading? These won't be issues soon. For the former, there's already a service or two that specializes in selling lossless files. Our distributor is looking for others to work with, and I plan to point people in that direction, with that concern. Even among the services that exist, different kinds of compression have vastly different results. As far as hours...the bandwith is increasing, compression technology is improving. I guarantee within a few years we'll all be laughing about the idea of waiting for files to download.
As far as it being an insult..I think if we offer something worth downloading, we may not invest in manufacturing, but in remastering, in promoting and in getting the artist paid. And with each download you'll know the artist and label will get paid. Right now there aren't enough people downloading this kind of stuff to make it seem worthwhile, but when we move in that direction, it'll be alot easier to turn a profit. You may feel good paying for a CD of some obscure reissue, but half the time, the artist and label aren't getting anything out of it more then exposure!
cutty...yeah. I don't think many artists OR labels even appreciate what that means any more. Investing in an artist and a career over the long run. Indie labels offering tour support? etc...
I know all the drawbacks about this direction...I stay up all night thinking about it. I hope that the technology will deal with it. I hope that when you download a song from some services, they have a record of it so when you're computer blows up you can get it again. Stuff like that do concern me. But regarding having a physical product over a digital file, if you're someone who listens to music on the computer/iPod/squeezebox, what are you paying for? The right to own a printed copy of the liner notes.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link
but on the whole I haven't heard very much of their stuff
― dmr (Renard), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link
definitely rooting for you Dan, you've got a great label, and points taken about the download fees going directly to label / artist when downloading (if downloading from a label website -- i've seen my albums offered for sale online from people I've never heard of who are obviously not legit, including several albums that were never officially released -- which is insane)
if you're someone who listens to music on the computer/iPod/squeezebox
90% of the time this isn't me, but... I'm increasingly in the minority
― milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 20:54 (seventeen years ago) link
i wrote one...ummm lesson one? and i wrote a theoretical grrrrrrls review the other one was....hmmm...(xpost to dan)
"if you're someone who listens to music on the computer/iPod/squeezebox90% of the time this isn't me, but... I'm increasingly in the minority"
me too (hell i cant even recall the html to make things into italics), but i think we are a dying breed
― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link
I like Queen, but Dave you gotta hear more Sparks.
Ben, I have a Lesson review from you, an Ascension review from Repellent with no credit and no review from you for Theoretical Girls.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 21:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― bb (bbrz), Thursday, 25 January 2007 00:29 (seventeen years ago) link
no online music service gets taste right. some might come close. but nobody has replicated the taste aspects of a good record store and good record stores were pretty intimate with the labels. i see insound is trying downloads now and you could argue that emusic and audio lunchbox have tried hard to court a certain feel over the years.
but rhapsody and napster and itunes are for shit. they totally are. it's a sea of randomness. granted, there's diamonds in that sea, but...
m.
― msp (mspa), Thursday, 25 January 2007 04:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 25 January 2007 04:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 January 2007 04:47 (seventeen years ago) link
UNKNOWN PASSAGE: THE DEAD MOON STORY.
most inspiring thing since the first time i heard the godz.
― be home by 11 (orion), Thursday, 25 January 2007 04:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jack Cole (jackcole), Thursday, 25 January 2007 04:55 (seventeen years ago) link
in the new paradigm, iTunes and the like can be seen as UPS or something. Just the means of delivery. If labels really focus on downloads, then that's what they'll be promoting. Rough Trade is selling mp3s, Other Music will soon as well...but the thing is, even with "well curated" stores...part of why things are curated is because you can only carry so much stuff. Online outlets like iTunes and eMusic can carry everything and anything. I know people at eMusic try to influence you like a good old indie-store clerk, so that element is there. Is Other Music going to carry (tries to think of something totally unhip that can't be justified by Other Music) downloads just because it can? I don't know, but even if they do, they won't focus on it.
But even iTunes "curates" with what it features...but it's a big service with wide appeal, you're not going to see the Urinals on the front page. For the record they've hired quite a few hipsters to help organize stuff, like in their ultimate mix-tapes section where you can get just the basics or dig deeper, they have some people who know what they're talking about. But you're not the market for them for the most part.
As to whether labels can get smart about it, we'll see. The question to me is still, are enough people going to pay for it?
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 25 January 2007 04:58 (seventeen years ago) link
Title:
UTD:BENEATH THE ODD-EDGE SOUNDS TO THE TWILIGHT CONTRACT OF THE BLACK FASCIST/THE WEALTH OF THE PENETRATION IN THE ABSTRACT PARADIGMAS OF SATAN
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 January 2007 04:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 January 2007 05:01 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.anthologyrecordings.com/
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 January 2007 05:05 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.anthologyrecordings.com/images_cat/24_1_300.jpg
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 January 2007 05:06 (seventeen years ago) link
but to what msp was getting at: thats the trouble. if lables go down the tubes with shops, someone has to take their place...and we cant go leaving that to bloggers, now, can we?
were beginning to get a bit misdirected here and this might best be taken up over in ilm (were it not overrun by youknowwhats), but Dan, how do you look at marketing/promoting in a dwnld and self releasing marketplace...(still easier for a label than an act alone)?
and now youve half gotten to it
― bb (bbrz), Thursday, 25 January 2007 05:07 (seventeen years ago) link
apple is clearly in the business of making itunes totally lifestyle based, and therefore slighty more aware of how to push records than most labels.
ive been wondering recently about the labels and outlets that clearly understand what the record buying public wants
― bb (bbrz), Thursday, 25 January 2007 05:11 (seventeen years ago) link