Rock on! Rock on! It's Tim's '70s rock connections thread.

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Because Boston is perhaps the intersection of power pop and heavy metal and as I was getting at on the I Love Music board the other day the two genres are not mutually exclusive anyway given how ballistic a group such as the Raspberries were and this connection was still relevant even later in the heart of the power pop movement if you look at how tough a lead guitarist someone like Burton Averre from the Knack was and then there's the connection between something that gets a lot of props like Kimono My House era Sparks and power pop if you're talkin' cool power pop groups like Milk 'n' Cookies and the Quick - maybe you'd say that Sparks were cool because they were so bizarro and the Knack were NOT, but surely one of the things you like about Sparks is their sound, man, and you're not just digging on the Gilbert and Sullivan or whatever elements you're digging on the power pop, too, and speaking of the Gilbert and Sullivan or whatever elements and looking at Sparks as prog rock, how much U like Queen and if U like Queen so much why not Boston, too, man????

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 27 August 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

wtf

amon (eman), Saturday, 27 August 2005 00:18 (twenty years ago)

you're not just digging on the Gilbert and Sullivan or whatever elements

Yes I am.

how much U like Queen

A lot.

and if U like Queen so much why not Boston, too, man????

Not enough Gilbert & Sullivan, duh.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 27 August 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

You don't like the SOUND of Sparks and Queen a lot, too?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 27 August 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)

Hello there ladies and gentlemen! Hello there ladies and gentlemen!

Are you ready to rock?

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 27 August 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

Because Queen is fun and Boston is kind of dull and self-congratulatory.

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 27 August 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)

You don't like the SOUND of Sparks and Queen a lot, too?

Yes and neither band SOUNDS anything like Boston or the Knack.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 27 August 2005 00:24 (twenty years ago)

Queen don't sound anything like Boston?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 27 August 2005 00:27 (twenty years ago)

Sparks > Queen > Slade > T-Rex > Cheap Trick > Thin Lizzy > Sweet > Suzi Quattro > Boston > The Raspberries > The Knack

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 27 August 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)

Boston sounds like certain aspects of Queen but I would definitely like Boston better if they had more songs about fairy fellers and ogre battles.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 27 August 2005 00:30 (twenty years ago)

CHeap Trick slays every band mentioned on this thread. You guys are losers.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 27 August 2005 00:31 (twenty years ago)

I refuse to accept that the heart of the seventies lies in stoner escapism!

x-post

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 27 August 2005 00:32 (twenty years ago)

How do you feel about Mountain?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 27 August 2005 00:40 (twenty years ago)

ok, Mountain is now the best band mentioned on this thread.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 27 August 2005 00:44 (twenty years ago)

I have never heard Milk n Cookies or the Quick. Should I?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 27 August 2005 00:55 (twenty years ago)

Awesome video of the Quick here.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 27 August 2005 01:05 (twenty years ago)

I don't know if I've ever heard Mountain. (Might've seen an old video clip of them back when I was a kid.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 27 August 2005 01:06 (twenty years ago)

you've never heard "mississippi queen" ??????

amon (eman), Saturday, 27 August 2005 01:10 (twenty years ago)

yeah that Quick video is sweet.

"Never In My Life" is the best Mountain cut.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 27 August 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)

oh wow, that Quick video is awesome. OK, they definitely rival Sparks (if Sparks didn't write amazing lyrics). Is the whole album worth getting?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 27 August 2005 01:13 (twenty years ago)

DL/DV beats all of these bands though.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 27 August 2005 01:14 (twenty years ago)

Okay, yeah, "Mississippi Queen."

The Quick's album has never been reissued, but there's a CD of other recordings that came out a year or so ago. A friend of mine burned me a copy and, honestly, I haven't even gotten to listen to the whole thing yet, but what I have is very cool. I put their version of the Four Seasons' "Rag Doll" on the mix I made for ddb.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 27 August 2005 01:24 (twenty years ago)

i've been rocking out to Humble Pie lately

JAXON (jaxon), Saturday, 27 August 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)

YES!

"The Fixer" from Smokin' is my pick to click. The first two albums on Immediate kind of rule pretty hard too, I've decided.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 27 August 2005 02:01 (twenty years ago)

JaXoN I just went to DustyGroove tonight. I finally picked up one of those Nighttime Lovers comps I mentioned a while ago. Four songs in and it's really really good! I've never heard of any of this shit before, but it's all pretty nice so far. I skipped the traditional stop at La Pasadita tho because for lunch we had catered Mexican food at work and I ate like 5 enchiladas and two fajitas and a boatload of chips and guac.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 27 August 2005 02:07 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I'd rather listen to Mountain than either of those bands, but five years ago I might have said Queen over Mountain.

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 27 August 2005 02:25 (twenty years ago)

so i went to La Pasadita and had 1 taco. it was nearly identical to SF Mission taco truck tacos. that's actually a compliment because i used to get a few of those a week for lunch.

JAXON (jaxon), Saturday, 27 August 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

rob, i need to upload the Andy Votel Vertigo Mixed for you. it's one long song of all tracks on Vertigo Records. it's seriously the greatest thing. all super heavy and super funky

JAXON (jaxon), Saturday, 27 August 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I've seen that thing! I've picked it up a couple of times and considered buying it, but then I always ended up getting something else. But yeah, I totally want to hear it. I saw that the Uriah Heep track that he sampled was "Walking in Your Shadow", right? THat one has a bit of a break at the beginning. I've been spending more time with that kind of stuff again as I just got that Legend of a Mind comp. Also I decided the East of Eden might be better than I initially thought. When I went to DG I tried to pick up this thing I saw on the website that I had never even heard of before, Ashkan, but they couldn't find the CD! Man, I was disappointed. I was psyched to hear that thing.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 27 August 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

the Humble Pie album i'm listening to is the self titled one. my mom was a total Topanga hippy, rocker. i stole that and some Mountain and Little Feat from her.

that Legend of a Mind comp looks kinda cool. there are a lot of pretty popular bands on there, but some other's i've been meaning to hear. is is worth picking up?

the Uriah Heep track is "Walking in Your Shadow". i have that record. it's pretty great. i heard somewhere that most of the Vertigo stuff (besides being pretty expensive) has like one good track and the rest is kinda blah. hmmm... There is that new Vertigo boxset that looks pretty tempting. and while looking for that i saw a 5cd Harvest box. fuck i wish i was rich.

JAXON (jaxon), Sunday, 28 August 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

Thought Boston did better than Queen on the 70s poll? The first album also sold a lot better than any individual Queen record + Queen was never very critically acclaimed so I'm not totally sure to whom this question should even be addressed (but people have answered anyway so maybe I'm wrong).

To be honest, I think I like my favourite Boston songs a lot more than any individual Queen track, even though I can see how Queen was the better band (and obv I listen to Yes and Rush more than either although Queen was possibly better than either of them too in a way). It's not something I'd argue for very long. I don't think Queen's melodies and song structures sound much at all like Boston's (maybe this is the G&S thing you were getting at). Even the arrangements aren't that close a lot of the time. (Yes, or maybe Genesis, would probably be a much closer comparison.) The guitar timbres and vocal harmonies might be sort of similar on Queen's more straight 'rock' tracks. I don't know if it's just that I don't have as much feeling for camp of the variety in which Queen dealt... Now I'm trying to figure out why I don't like Queen as much as I like Boston (though I do like Queen)!

Boston are pretty worthless after the second album, mind you.

Sundar (sundar), Sunday, 28 August 2005 01:11 (twenty years ago)

(Out of curiosity, what inspired all these Boston threads in the last couple days? Did you pull out Boston after a long time?)

Sundar (sundar), Sunday, 28 August 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)

Boston are pretty worthless after the second album, mind you.

I should clarify that I'm saying this without having actually listened to any of the later albums. It's just that when I saw them in concert every song they played that wasn't from the first two was dull. I would leave to get drinks or go to the washroom when they played something from the last album. They did do some cool things like bring out a pipe organ and do this delay-treated guitar instrumental thing.

Sundar (sundar), Sunday, 28 August 2005 01:15 (twenty years ago)

dude can someone linkback dan seltzers sparks mix
i lost my copy that i made and i want to re download it

brock (brock), Sunday, 28 August 2005 01:56 (twenty years ago)

i got another barclay james harvest from the dollar bin at work today. 75, i think? something ghosts... something? whatever. it kinda sucks. is ANY other barclay james harvest good aside from the debut? cuz that record DESTROYS.

also, not rock per se, but i am listening to Sly & The Family Stone "Stand" now. Maybe my fave sly.

what are the good 70s james brown albums? "hot" and "superheat" are mediocre to poor.

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 28 August 2005 02:00 (twenty years ago)

oh and HOW COME I HAD NOT OWNED "ARE YOU EXPERIENCED" UNTIL TODAY?
my GOD what the FUCK was i THINKING

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 28 August 2005 02:04 (twenty years ago)

ps.
i don't like queen; fuck you.

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 28 August 2005 03:05 (twenty years ago)

"Out of curiosity, what inspired all these Boston threads in the last couple days? Did you pull out Boston after a long time?"

No, you know, I actually never owned the albums. I never really thought too much about Boston. Increasingly, though, when I would hear their songs on the radio, I just started really digging the sound of those records (I had known a little bit about Scholz and all that, but had never read too much about it) and realizing how good some of those songs are.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 28 August 2005 03:41 (twenty years ago)

And, actually, I know fuck all about Queen (don't own any Queen records). But I'm interested. Ian, have you heard the early albums? The ones I'm most interested in hearing are Queen II, Sheer Heart Attack, and A Night at the Opera. I'm interested in this stuff as influences for my own music, actually. My wife and I are starting a band. I haven't written much music for quite a few years, but my wife has been writing lyrics and I've been writing a lot of music for them. I'm interested in Rush, too.

I've never been a big metal guy. That "blues free environment" thread came about because I'm realizing that my main problem with it has always been its use of blues harmonies. I think I just see it as a cliche; like when I listened to that Kix album the other day, it was like, oh man, they just HAVE to use those chords in every song in order to be badass.

Even Led Zeppelin - I think some of their songs ("Dazed and Confused," "Whole Lotta Love") are a cool use of blues as this kind of post-psychedelic psychodrama music. But a lot of times I hear Led Zeppelin and I don't think it goes beyond hard rock/blues cliches.

I also really like some badass early metal when they were doing it as a tight, singles oriented music: stuff like "Paranoid," "Bad Motor Scooter" by Montrose, and "Walk Away" by the James Gang. But when you get into eighties metal and the return to a singles oriented music w/ Motley Crue and hair metal bands - seems like there's too much phony posturing and reliance on badass musical cliches. I seem to prefer hearing pop stuff like Def Leppard. (I changed the station on the car radio today when a Scorpions song came on, though.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 28 August 2005 04:19 (twenty years ago)

Dude, you're crazy if you're trying to talk about this shit and you've NEVER HEARD QUEEN II! You need to listen to that ASAP!

Jaxon, I just ordered that Vertigo mix a few days ago and I can't wait to hear that. Has anyone heard that 3 disc veritgo box set? (btw I live in Topanga so it's no wonder I have the same taste in music as your mom!)

walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 28 August 2005 05:29 (twenty years ago)

queen fucking rule. first album shits all over almost anything ever. they make sparks look like fuckin' idiots.

sparxtroll (scott seward), Sunday, 28 August 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

walter, sorry you already bought it, but here's the link to the andy votel mixed for those that want it

http://s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1O52WTYYOAFRQ0ZFU9UUNL1NPW

JAXON (jaxon), Sunday, 28 August 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Woah, awesome Jax! Thanks for that! I've loaded it onto the ipod for the commute tomorrow.

I didn't even know about that Harvest box ... looks pretty good, but if anything that one seems to have a lot of more common stuff and kind of repeats the artists a lot. This Legend of a Mind thing has a bunch of dudes I'd never even heard of before. And most of it is pretty darn good. I recommend it.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Monday, 29 August 2005 03:37 (twenty years ago)

dude, Ian, I don't know why you didn't have Are You Experienced either! Isn't "Third Stone From the Sun" the greatest thing ever?? Totally blew my mind as a kid. I probably wouldn't even be posting to this board right now if it wasn't for that track.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Monday, 29 August 2005 03:38 (twenty years ago)

Thanks, that's a cool mix and now I don't have to wait until the mailman brings it! That strange cover of Willie the Pimp kind of freaked me out. The narration is really amusing too.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 29 August 2005 04:59 (twenty years ago)

if it weren't for "Third Stone from the Sun" we wouldn't have Right Side Fred "I'm too sexy" & probably wouldn't have Smashing Pumpkins

i've been meaning to re-buy all the Hendrix albums i had in highschool that i sold because i became a "cool" indie rocker in college. the only one i have anymore is Band of Gypsys that i fucking LOVE.

JAXON (jaxon), Monday, 29 August 2005 06:35 (twenty years ago)

SO I GOT QUEEN II ...

... and while I do tend to enjoy ponderous progressive rock albums if there are some nice bits here and there and they've got a good singer and the guitar player is certainly pretty fucking excellent, I ended up just listening to side one of that and side one of the first Boston album and can u guess which of these sides TOTALLY PWNZ?

Hint # 1: One of these albums is one of the greatest sounding things of all time (and I heard the guitarist in this particular band recorded it IN HIS BASEMENT? ... My, my) while one of them KINDA SOUNDS LIKE CRAP, FRANKLY.

Hint # 2: One of these sides is this ponderous prog rock STUFF while the other starts off with two of the most absolutely kickass rock and roll songs of all time that just keep burning into massive frontiers for almost five minutes each.

(P.S. That "TAKE A LOOK AHEAD!!!" bit in "Peace of MInd" is more intense than anything Black Sabbath ever did, surely.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 4 September 2005 05:02 (twenty years ago)

I agree, but YOU LISTENED TO THE WRONG SIDE OF QUEEN II!!!

walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 4 September 2005 05:33 (twenty years ago)

It's funny, I've been pulling out A Night at The Opera recently and marvelling at it. Seriously, you should check out the production and layered guitar sounds (not to mention the songs themselves) on that shit. (I've never heard anything from Queen II to be honest. Maybe I should try it. Apparently Billy Corgan lists it as an all-time favourite!) I was even just thinking that maybe I should revise what I said here just before I read your post. I wish I'd hung on to Sheer Heart Attack. (My knowledge of Queen is mostly based on those two + concerts I've seen on TV + radio hits obv.) I'm happy you like side 1 of Boston though. (Side 2 might be a slight letdown, I don't know.)

Sundar (sundar), Monday, 5 September 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

I don't like Queen.
They are one of RSG's favorite bands, though! They just sound like Andrew Lloyd Weber to me!

Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 5 September 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Who's RSG?

They're pretty blatantly theatrical and music hall-influenced, yes. You don't like anything from Jesus Christ Superstar?

Sundar (sundar), Monday, 5 September 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

I don't like queen

RJG (RJG), Monday, 5 September 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

me neither pt. 3

amon (eman), Monday, 5 September 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

queen's give me your body, which made enough hipster dj rounds to make it to a nissan ad, is pretty awesome. get it on limewire or whatever.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 5 September 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

You don't like anything from Jesus Christ Superstar?

NO.

IAN J (ex machina), Monday, 5 September 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)


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