rolling enlightening music discussion thread

is there a better way to browse the individual ballots than going page after page? there's no way i'm going to make it past the D's otherwise.

-- Mark Clemente

Ann Powers from the LA Times voted, but none of the NY Times critics voted (I guess the NY Times doesn't allow them to vote). If the NY Times critics had voted K. Sanneh could have given rapper Turf Talk a 3rd vote in the album list!

-- curmudgeon

is the demo info gonna be posted or did i miss that?

-- J0rdan S.

I voted for Amerie and wish it was damn higher.

-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, January 15, 2008 5:06 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Link

Ditto.

-- The Reverend, Tuesday, January 15, 2008 5:06 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Link

its a good song, i considered voting for it

then i voted for all rap bangers, simian mobile disco and divaesque euro house

-- deej

Stats teaser:

With one precinct reporting, the most centric voter so far is Chris Molanphy, who voted for albums 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 16 and 20.

Kerry Dexter and Stefan Shepherd filed the only ballots that don't overlap with any others yet.

Only one voter did not vote for any albums.

-- glenn mcdonald

Orchid -- 1995
Morningrise -- 1996
My Arms, Your Herse -- 1998
Still Life -- 1999
Blackwater Park -- 2001
Deliverance -- 2002
Damnation -- 2003
Ghost Reveries -- 2005

Also, which ones are the proggiest?

I kinda like Still Life and Blackwater Park.

sw

-- rockcrit88, Thursday, 17 January 2008 16:10 (59 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Modern Rock placements of songs in the Idolator Top 40:

"Icky Thump" = #4
"Dashboard" = #5
"Thrash Unreal" = #11
"Young Folks" = #22
"Phantom Limb" = #26
"Keep the Car Running" = #32
"Rehab" = #32
"1 2 3 4" = #34

-- jaymc, Thursday, 17 January 2008 17:06 (51 minutes ago) Link

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(In addition to Spoon, that is.)

-- jaymc, Thursday, 17 January 2008 17:07 (51 minutes ago) Link

omar

you have to stop

you're obsessed

i'd be interested to see how the m.i.a./lcd break down by sex

-- J0rdan S.

these people are not right.

ok now i'll stop

lol

is chaki corsican?

i cannot for the life of me wrap my head around this caring about where albums placed on a list mindset.

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster."

"What do I care about the purring of one who cannot love, like the cat?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhbCr7uO6Sc

^^^ 0:43 onwards.

: | @ thread

isnt lol list discussion the oldest news by now

: | @ thread

-- The Reverend, Friday, January 18, 2008 12:44 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Link

lol u guize r butthurt

good thared!

Not butthurt, just kind of : |, ya know? Kind of a mid-point on the : D to butthurt continuum.

I got rid of the box ages ago which I sorta regret. Maybe I was miffed that techno had usurped house in the zeitgeist. More likely it was just too damn patchy (although admittedly the house box was too).

But. I took a History of American Popular Music course c. 1991 and said history apparently stopped with Aretha's "Bridge Over Troubled Water" since that was the last song the prof played. However, for the last day of class, he asked us to bring one song from the 1990s which we thought pointed towards the future (and, yes, that means yet again the 1980s weren't part of history).

Anyhoo, I remember only three examples of the future of music as of 1991: Seal (!), The Nylons (!!!), and Little Richard's "Itsy Bitsy Spider" (! x infinity). Seal, I can forgive - Prog&B sounded pretty futuristic back then. But the fuckin' Nylons??? Wasn't the point of their music, such as it is, to look back? And come the fuck on. Little Richard??? Worship him but was he the future of anything by 1960 much less 1991?

I was in a rage by the time I walked up to the front of the class to play Zone: "Eternal #2" from this comp which was authorless in a way very much unlike "Itsy Bitsy Freakin' Spider." And boy did I sound a lot like those liner notes while pumping my choice. But it was such an amazing experience. Half the class seemed awakened for the first time all semester while about a quarter were stunned and/or whispering to one another as if I just unveiled Jeff Koons' "Made in Heaven" series (leaving one quarter completely unfazed). The prof was cool at first, asking me where the term "house music" came from and whatnot. But he got downright frosty when the conversation evolved into a gripefest about Rolling Stone. It was awesome. Eventually he had to tell me to sit down since he realized part of what we were bitching about was the truncated history he'd been handing us all semester.

Of course, it all seems a bit silly now if only because the concept of "future" in a capitalist society is nothing to parade about. Still, the very real folk behind Zone get my vote for affording me the opportunity to shake up that bullshit class for five minutes.

P.S. I wrote my final paper on The Frogs' It's Only Right and Natural, imagining it as a collection of songs hidden away in an attic for 100+ years. I got an A but there were no comments on the paper.

-- Kevin John Bozelka, Sunday, January 20, 2008 5:28 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

kevin jon bazooka: blowing 50% of minds in his own head since 1991

hahaha

i finally heard the lcd soundsystem joint and its garbage for real... sounds like marcy playground with beats

-- and what

^truth

HAW

fuckin guy

Easy listening's biggest impact is that it

1. made "Wonderwall" a much bigger hit than it already was and turned it into sort of the ultimate Britpop anthem
2. brought the world Neil Hannon.

-- Geir Hongro, Monday, 21 January 2008 13:23 (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

fuckin guy

he's not wrong though

even a totally insane clock is right twice a day

No love for "He Thought of Cars"?

-- marc h., Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:01 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

Wait, it was #2, as it should be. Carry on...

-- marc h., Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:02 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

That fucking guy...

Is there a "Rolling People Who Never Ever Read Any Previous Posts on a Thread before Posting" thread?

Can't believe no-one's posted this one yet! Come ON!

No love for "He Thought of Cars"?

-- marc h., Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:01 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

Wait, it was #2, as it should be. Carry on...

-- marc h., Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:02 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

Hmm, apparently there are 561 P&J ballots, as opposed to only 452 Ipop ballots. That's kinda unexpected.

-- Ioannis, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 14:25 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

"Wait a minute, I thought Idolator changed the world? I'm confused?"

http://library.thinkquest.org/26618/gather/expressions/31/disappointed.jpg

and NYC?.... Peaches stood on stage at Exit—alone but for a backup dancer—wearing black leather panties and a halter top and screaming about fucking the pain away. Wendy O. Williams had her chainsaw, Peaches has an oversized neon dildo; both, when brandished, represent the same nihilistic essence. In the late '70s and early '80s, DIY was an excuse to play guitars, badly. Today, the same ethic is pouring forth from keyboards. Village Voice (2001)

alas, Electroclash has taken off. Any comments?

-- , Friday, April 12, 2002 8:00 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Link

also haven't gotten sick of "please don't stop the music"

-- gr8080, Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:52 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

grady do you like "the way i are"

-- J0rdan S., Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:54 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

a lot.

-- gr8080, Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:56 PM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

the de-rocking of indie rock is a whole different issue, and would make for a good discussion though i have to imagine that it's been discussed on ilm in some thread at some point before

-- J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 January 2008 22:54 (16 minutes ago) Link

lol SFJ0rdan

Ha. Idolator misspelled Antonina Armato's name.

-- Frank Kogan, Friday, January 18, 2008

Song you would most like to hear covered by artist of your choice.

I couldn't think of a more concise title.
But anyways, I thought of this thread because I really wanted to hear The Fiery Furnaces cover Mother Whale Eyeless by Eno.
Damn, I think that would be such a good song.

What would be your fantastical song/band combination?

-- our work is never over, Friday, 25 January 2008 18:10 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I don't email editors and write fan fiction though

the vanity of bulbous differences

in other news, whiney g. wengarten again holds that he is cooler than someone else on the internet

if not emailing the editor of a magazine about where their year-end list is makes me cool, then i'm miles davis

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/FElfV-2H5vU/0.jpg

Come To Your Senses is the best track here, but it took me some time to figure it out.

― nostormo, Saturday, 3 January 2015 09:39 (3 days ago)

Glad u cleared that one up for us. Can you tell us now what the best song ever in the whole world is?

― ..but is he a virtuoso? (Raccoon Tanuki), Tuesday, 6 January 2015 12:23 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

just my opinion

― nostormo, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 12:36 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Could having a black president have anything to do with it? Or is that almost a reason as to why there should be more politically/socially concious rap?

― MarkoP, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 16:36 (8 minutes ago) Permalink

:D

Kanye - better producer than mccartney, better singer tHan mccartney, better lyricist than mccartney, better performer than mccartney, more interesting person than mccartney. Other than that I'm sure 72 year old person will add so much to this record

― the fuckin catalina wine mixer (sleepingbag), Sunday, January 25, 2015 1:25 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

his ham bean soup is better than mccartney's too.

lol at handwringing about misogyny in rap with the right hand and cheerleading indie rock (some of the most institutionalised misogy music going) with the left

― ||||||||, Thursday, January 29, 2015 3:54 PM (1 minute ago)

mi sogy life

were they talking about the Owen Pallett record!?

pussy

lol

is indie rock really that notable for its misogyny (compared to other genres)? most of the indie rock bands I listen to are female-fronted, so idk if |||||||| has a valid point.

lol fgti

:D at all of this

"in conflict" more like "problematic"

It seems that everytime when this subject is brought up here, the kneejerk reaction among people who like misogynic/sexist rap tunes to say "but other genres too it do!" (even with genres where sexism is clearly less prominent) instead of trying to honestly address why they are not bothered by the lyrics, or why they can get past them even if they are bothered.

Just to make sure, I've listened to a lot of misogynic/sexist rap myself, I know there are historical/cultural/sociological reasons why sexism is more prominent in some types of rap than in many other pop music genres, I know that I'm a white European and that the complexities of the lived experience of many of these rappers is something I can never fully understand, I know you have to contextualize sexism, I know that it doesn't make sense to directly compare genres with a wholly different approach to lyrics... So I can still listen to that kind of rap when the sexism isn't blatant, but when it become too gross you just get tired of trying to jump through so many contextualization hoops, so you're just like, fuck it, there's enough good rap music that doesn't do this shit, so why should I listen to one that does, why should I support musicians who help to reproduce the idea that one half of humankind is worth less than the other half?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

thanks for saying what I was too radged-up to say :)

there's no reason you should, which is why it's a good thing nobody is saying you have to listen to, enjoy or agree with misogynist rap

xp I think ppl got annoyed because you didn't give much indication that you are aware of all the things tuomas spent most of a paragraph assuring us he is

there's no reason you should, which is why it's a good thing nobody is saying you have to listen to, enjoy or agree with misogynist rap

Of course, but my main point was that I find it kinda weird that, with people here who apparently enjoy some sexist rap tunes (and vote for them in polls), when asked about how they're able to enjoy that stuff, their favourite response seems to be, "but there's sexism in other genres too!". Well of course there is, of course blatant sexism in any kind of music should be questioned, but I don't see how this is justification for tolerating it in these particular tunes. And I'm not saying there can't sometimes be good enough reasons for tolerating it, but this kind of "the other kids are doing it too!" rhetoric is just dodging the question instead of addressing it honestly.

maybe ppl aren't grading their tunes based on politics can u imagine

... or lyrics

we should lock contenderizer + tim f in a thread together and let them generate text for eternity

When we polling this muthafucka?....

― X-Prince Protégé (sonnyboy), Friday, January 30, 2015 5:44 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i am generator hear me text

Faust Arp is probably my favourite track now, although it was Weird Fishes for ages

― Dr X O'Skeleton, Friday, 6 March 2015 13:25 (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Nude makes this album. Everything else hangs around it.

― Unheimlich Manouevre (dog latin), Friday, 6 March 2015 14:16 (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

rubbish, boring album, maybe their most boring album

― vacuum head tree disease (imago), Friday, 6 March 2015 14:29 (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

skilfully eliding the next post

Kyuss pales in comparison to a lot of the bands listed here. Finding a groove, turning up to 11 then moving on to listen to rush Limbaugh or Sean hannity or whatever the fuck that idiot is into is not my idea of a great band.

― Prince Kajuku (Bill Magill), Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:38 PM (6 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Poliopolice
Posted: 9 April 2015 03:13:07
"Under My Thumb" by the Rolling Stones is pretty misogynistic.

Do you have eclectic taste in music?

i can only imagine

yeah, no one is making lists or arguing about ratings

lists of eclectic formats

old music vs new music was a tedious, played out discussion even for 2007 ilm, thank god it's been parlayed into a debate about formats

lol i am a little embarrassed to have participated but what else are you gonna do when you are procrastinating at work

between that and the uncut list thread it has been pretty dire since the year-end critics shit ended

Possibly I'm just grumpy

I'm not actually one of those people who dislikes ilm although I rarely post there but yeah it's been particularly groundhogdaysuicide.gif lately (don't forget the eclectic thread)

yes, the year-end critics thread was highly enlightening

really hate the british list threads that devolve into amateur sociology. sorry brits.

there was supposed to be a comma there. sorry, brits

If I had access to a time machine, I'd go back to 1994 all and play 'em something like, I dunno, the recent Bloc Party record or The 1975 or a recent Coldplay record and be all like: "This is what is going to happen to music", and the people of 1994 would be like "FUCK! FUCK! NO! We must do what we can to ensure this NEVER happens!"

― The Dave Grohl of ILX (Turrican), Tuesday, February 16, 2016 9:27 AM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"I hate those fucking trumpets blasting like they are about to explode. Norteño music is garbage."

I've heard half of those Norman Records list... some of them are really good and glad they're giving deserved attention to some ignored records but there's also some boring ones in there. At any rate these sort of 'non-zeigeist' lists are always better than the consensus ones. Yeah we all love Lemonade but I prefer finding out about records I might have overlooked instead of the ones we've talked about all year.

― No longer active (Moka), Thursday, December 1, 2016 4:29 PM (fifty-eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

my All Music Guide album picks are

#1.Human Interest - great
http://grooveshark.com/s/Human+Interest/8WdTY?src=5

#2.Hand Over Fist - good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eEb0SC6R0M

#3.Luau - o.k.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcxxh1yewhM

the rest of the album is a dud for me.

― TabForaCause.com, Sunday, May 4, 2014 7:34 PM (three years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

(re: yank crime)

"It's Nice to Have a Friend" is the most interesting track, IMO. How would you describe that musical setting? It's evoking or imitating, what, a certain style of Chinese music?

― Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Friday, 23 August 2019 22:20 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

lol is it in pentatonic scale?

Certainly that is what one would assume