Gamer bs
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 27 November 2015 14:53 (eight years ago) link
gamer gate is like lord of the flies except all of the gaters are piggy
― I don't have the time or energy to make a counterargument (stevie), Friday, 27 November 2015 14:54 (eight years ago) link
I had never met Rogers before. I knew he was the dude who used to do like 50,000 word count things about getting waffles in Tokyo or some shit but boy he was mad we didn't recognize him. Most journalists were cool though most of them I would consider friend got out the game for good industry gigs before I did. I dunno, GI was kinda different cuz we were midwest and not so involved in the day to day Bay Area scene.
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 November 2015 16:56 (eight years ago) link
Also like why do it? There's terrible long term job prospects and most ppl just resent you anyway, like Adam for instance you seem like a reasonable intelligent guy but you make it pretty clear what you think about me in little sideways posts. So fine, now I'm just a marketing dude in Minneapolis being a dad. Not too bad really.
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 November 2015 17:17 (eight years ago) link
apparently it costs money to advertise in magazines. is this magazine particularly expensive to advertise in? I don't know, but these numbers sure look big in a chart1
― μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 27 November 2015 17:19 (eight years ago) link
I don't know if Adam meant to speak directly about you, a lot of his posts have this vague generality to them and he may have forgot he was calling someone on the thread a jerk king.
you hung up your crown, though
― μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 27 November 2015 17:25 (eight years ago) link
Yeah not the first time I've gotten the vibe but yeah overall it was great, a literal dream of a lifetime but the time has passed. The funny thing is that the industry itself is tons of great people! Was fortunate to be a part of a very special era in the medium even in a small way
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 November 2015 17:31 (eight years ago) link
most ppl just resent you anyway
this goes for music journalism too btw
― I don't have the time or energy to make a counterargument (stevie), Friday, 27 November 2015 17:52 (eight years ago) link
I was talking with a friend who works for a company that does game community sites, does reverse engineering of games to publish stats, has chat tools, all stuff that exists around the periphery of PC games without being the actual game. And it's a big niche! Kind of blows my mind how big the community around such things is.
― μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 27 November 2015 17:56 (eight years ago) link
i wasnt calling anyone here a jerk king.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 27 November 2015 18:15 (eight years ago) link
Sure pal
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 November 2015 18:18 (eight years ago) link
why would i call u a jerk anyways, i dont know who you are and you've never said anything mean to me.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 27 November 2015 18:24 (eight years ago) link
i agree w you 100% on that post above where u say you respect Totilo and that advance copies are not a free speech issue so much as a courtesy.
Rogers is one of the more public faces of game crit, and in that realm i include youtube ranters as well, since people these days get their gaming news as much from Angry Joe or Jim Sterling as they do from Kotaku or Game Informer.
I would say professionally working in an industry and ignoring long-standing practices like waiting for press releases and not leaking game info early is a jerk move.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 27 November 2015 18:29 (eight years ago) link
Or maybe as we told you dipshits over and over GameStop did not have control over our editorial and we were actually making the magazine we wanted to make
I am kind of amazed by this tho - like, you could have literally said "No good games this month, check back next time", and GameStop would be okay with that?
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 November 2015 20:08 (eight years ago) link
Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. There were a couple times we did not award game of the month. (Not that there were no good games I don't think that's ever the case but nothing great).
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 November 2015 20:24 (eight years ago) link
I mean if that's the case why would they allow us to review Steam PC indie stuff at all? I think they just gave Undertale have of the month? Why let me spend $1500 on doing a photo shoot of Anita? Where's the benefit?
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 November 2015 20:29 (eight years ago) link
Okay - that's neat.
I mean if that's the case why would they allow us to review Steam PC indie stuff at all? I think they just gave Undertale game of the month? Why let me spend I500 on doing a photo shoot of Anita? Where's the benefit?
That's an odd question though - like, even airline magazines have stuff in them not related to BUY FROM SHOP.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 November 2015 20:57 (eight years ago) link
Thought the name of this site sounded like some sorta energy drink directly manufactured for these guys equally informed by a toilet wine mixture of Monster/Soylent/Mountain Dew Code Red w/ CoD-Halo 2xp codes on the label and Dark Elightenment/Gatergate/Pua/that wannabe Kane cosplayer,
and whaddayaknow:
About ReaxxionReaxxion is a gaming site for men that was created as a reaction to extremists infiltrating and corrupting video game journalism. It aims to be a community of men who want to discuss gaming without being fed propaganda or labeled sexist because of their interest in specific kinds of gaming entertainment. You may email the team by visiting the contact page.Reaxxion Community Beliefs:1. Men do not become more violent, sexist, or racist because they play video games. Gamers should not be shamed for a hobby that does not cause harm to others.2. Video games are a form of entertainment that should be free of heavy-handed propaganda or ideology.3. Video game journalism should not use its influence to change or manipulate the nature of games against the wishes of the gaming public.4. A clear line must be drawn between advertising and editorial content (read our ethics policy). Site content must be free of bias or moneyed interests.5. Gamers share a collection of values and beliefs that denote an identity which should be treated with respectful consideration.6. Gaming sites should serve gamers by providing them with the type of content they want to read (send us your comments).7. Heterosexual men should not be shamed for enjoying things designed to appeal to heterosexual men. There is non-harmful entertainment value in traditional story lines involving masculine men and feminine women.If you share some of the above beliefs with us, consider having your work published on Reaxxion. Submit an article here.
Reaxxion Community Beliefs:1. Men do not become more violent, sexist, or racist because they play video games. Gamers should not be shamed for a hobby that does not cause harm to others.
2. Video games are a form of entertainment that should be free of heavy-handed propaganda or ideology.
3. Video game journalism should not use its influence to change or manipulate the nature of games against the wishes of the gaming public.
4. A clear line must be drawn between advertising and editorial content (read our ethics policy). Site content must be free of bias or moneyed interests.
5. Gamers share a collection of values and beliefs that denote an identity which should be treated with respectful consideration.
6. Gaming sites should serve gamers by providing them with the type of content they want to read (send us your comments).
7. Heterosexual men should not be shamed for enjoying things designed to appeal to heterosexual men. There is non-harmful entertainment value in traditional story lines involving masculine men and feminine women.
If you share some of the above beliefs with us, consider having your work published on Reaxxion. Submit an article here.
― Professor Goodfeels (kingfish), Friday, 27 November 2015 21:35 (eight years ago) link
Ha, "Gatergate"
http://orlandogroupgetaways.com/orlando_attractions/gatorland.jpg
These guys wish they had tenth of the charm of the gate you have to enter Gatorland thru
― Professor Goodfeels (kingfish), Friday, 27 November 2015 21:39 (eight years ago) link
"For example, while the following things may be considered gay by lesser men, there is nothing for strong heterosexual man to fear in the following:"
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 November 2015 21:46 (eight years ago) link
Also lolz the site folded after nine months.
So painfully lame
― Eugene Goostman (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 November 2015 22:37 (eight years ago) link
Andrew take your condescending attitude and shove it directly up your ass
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 November 2015 22:41 (eight years ago) link
In flight magazine, motherfucker why don't you back up one single thing your insinuating about me and my personal ethics
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 November 2015 22:45 (eight years ago) link
Dude, what the fuck are you talking about?
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 November 2015 23:06 (eight years ago) link
You accuse me of altering review scores at GameStop's bidding, which is calling me crooked. then compare us to an in flight magazine, stop your faux naif routine.
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 November 2015 23:17 (eight years ago) link
Sorry everyone but all this time of I'm not saying I'm just saying shit cannot take it one more minute.
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 November 2015 23:19 (eight years ago) link
Okay well, I expressed surprise because, when you hear a big magazine is owned by a big retailer of what the magazine covers, it's not the default assumption that the magazine has a completely free hand. You get that, right? I mean, I was already aware of it because it made Leigh Alexander's List of Actual Ethical Concerns post.
You tell me it's not the case, that's fine, I am completely down with that, and it's a pleasant surprise - that's what I meant by "that's neat". I'm aware that the things you referenced as evidence are public, and I could have found them out beforehand, but I'm not a journalist researching a story - I'm some asshole having an opinion on the internet. I don't think I've ever actually held a copy of GI.
I do know enough journalists though, that I wasn't expecting you to take it as a personal insult - it wasn't intended as such, even if I'd known you worked there before today I'd have figured a job's a job. But I clearly have insulted you, so sorry about that.
Anyway, all I meant by the second line was just that "We do some things that don't benefit our owner's bottom line" is kind of an odd defense of the independence (which again I'm not disputing), as even publications that are very clearly commercially driven and/or utilitarian have *some* other material in them. I cast around for an example and came up with an in-flight magazine - it's a comparison in so far as any analogy is, but it was intended to be clearly at the other end of the range from what you've just described GI as. Clearly I need to work on my clearly.
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 28 November 2015 00:10 (eight years ago) link
I think regardless of who owns the game magazine, there's an interest in covering all games as well as you can, since even people who buy items not carried in-store are going to want to buy accessories, controllers, or other physical items they could shop for at the mall.
I used to love reading game reviews as a kid even when I actually bought very few games -- partially because I was limited in the number of games I could afford to buy, but also because my mom could be talked into buying me reading material. Probably half out of gratitude for the ability to park me at the magazines/books section in Target for a while when she went to go get things I wasn't into.
On the other hand, a store is going to want to work to sell to all their possible customers, regardless of where the actual game is being downloaded. And they'll try to pull a few bucks out of that, too. I mean, Gamestop sells Steam gift cards! http://www.gamestop.com/collection/steam-cards
m@tt I get the defensiveness, but if having a magazine didn't sell games, even if the content doesn't directly advocate what games, there'd be no advertisers and no revenue! It's not a dirty business, it's just how things work.
I've known people who have written great reviews or cultural pieces that ended up being published in tourism magazines or airline magazines or whatever. It doesn't mean it's not written by people who love culture, it's just the venue for getting paid for writing about what you love. I have a few of those magazines around because of the pieces I really like, but it only marginally influences what airline I use, or what hotel I stay in.
― μpright mammal (mh), Saturday, 28 November 2015 00:19 (eight years ago) link
imo it's prudent for the "sponsor" as it were to give the writers a free hand, and for the actual store stockists to read their own magazine because it's like in-house market research!
― μpright mammal (mh), Saturday, 28 November 2015 00:20 (eight years ago) link
Leigh's list of ethical concerns somehow left out her working as a game consultant while working as a journalist.
I'm saying I understand the suspicions I just get tired of constantly defending it. Esp when ppl who claim they want journalism never seem to have more proof than "well gee sure seems fishy." Either I'm an sjw operative or corporate stooge, every thing I wrote is out there you decide.
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 28 November 2015 01:00 (eight years ago) link
I think a company selling games is a lot less suspicious than, I dunno, a company making games? Regardless of who advertises in GI, the parent company doesn't really give a shit which game sells, as long as some game does
― μpright mammal (mh), Saturday, 28 November 2015 01:59 (eight years ago) link
tbh i dont give a crap about ethics in video game journalism. it is a job, people get paid to write about products. they are associated w the game creators because that is professional, that is networking. what people think is "collision" is good communication.
there is a strong anti-company movement that is alongside the anti-journalism one. people hate the companies themselves. they hate valve, ea, ubisoft, etc. they spent all year trashing konami. "DLC" and "MICROTRANSACTIONS" are talking points known to render people incapable of anything outside of primal consumerist babble. i dont know why there is all this distrust.
i dont really want anything out of video game journalism other than fresh takes on the material itself. i could do w less corporate drama. less social media gaffes. more like a film critic, looking at framing, staging, themes, motifs, etc. the drama gets really hyped these days and it ends up as fuel for the haters.
i apologize to upper mississippi if i seem disrespectful. i don't know who you are or what site you write for. i will always want to read new stuff.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 28 November 2015 06:40 (eight years ago) link
Thanks. I'm overly sensitive being that I found a Gamergate hit piece on me online. Thing is too guys there was more death threats (not to me personally) than you know. One major outlet had their families doxxed but no one reported on it. My wife was very happy when I quit game journalism. It's a toxic environment now.But on the whole I tried to do the best I could and I believe that to be true of our competitors. There's no big conspiracy. It's just a bunch of companies throwing shit at the wall and trying to see what sticks and no one really knows what they are doing.
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 28 November 2015 13:40 (eight years ago) link
at least that gamergate don't like you is something that kinda resounds to yr favor?
― thwomp (thomp), Saturday, 28 November 2015 14:40 (eight years ago) link
I'm sure having the moral high ground feels great when you and your family are getting killed by the swat team
― polyphonic, Saturday, 28 November 2015 19:42 (eight years ago) link
You couldn't ask for a better name for a Gamergate site than Reaxxion.
― jmm, Saturday, 28 November 2015 19:48 (eight years ago) link
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/11/25/best-boycott-ever-dead-or-alive-xtreme-3-more-popular-than-ever/
An import site has been hyping the non-western release of a Japanese game not planned for US release as evidence of SJW censorship.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 28 November 2015 20:39 (eight years ago) link
Play-Asia.com @playasia#DOAX3 will not be coming to the US due to #SJW nonsense. However, we will have the English Asia version available: http://par.bz/87f 9:34 PM - 24 Nov 2015
https://twitter.com/playasia/status/669498158573981697/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Of course there are no such boycotts and this is the first anyone has even thought of this game. Funny that we now have Spite Marketing.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 28 November 2015 20:44 (eight years ago) link
http://twitter.com/pkollar/status/670563466428751873
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 29 November 2015 02:19 (eight years ago) link
today I learned that a "boob slider" is a thing
― the fiest p (onimo), Sunday, 29 November 2015 18:02 (eight years ago) link
least legal white castle promotion ever
― Eugene Goostman (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 November 2015 21:48 (eight years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVPqQ3xWoAUf9UV.png:large
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/11/23/why-im-winning/
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 19:42 (eight years ago) link
not gonna click on beetbort today but i am assuming he is using the charlie sheen version of "winning"
― μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 20:08 (eight years ago) link
I didn't read the article either tbh
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 20:12 (eight years ago) link
woofhttps://twitter.com/UnburntWitch/status/684917563747258369scroll up for the whole story there
― Copy rights, pleasing all star wars fans, hiring professionals. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 January 2016 19:40 (eight years ago) link
huh - interesting
― Nhex, Thursday, 7 January 2016 21:39 (eight years ago) link
She makes a good point! it's only good business that she gets pilloried.
― Copy rights, pleasing all star wars fans, hiring professionals. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 January 2016 22:03 (eight years ago) link
definitely. such a weird situation. i sort of knew about the whole internet MRA personality industry, but didn't connect the dots the way she does there.
― Nhex, Thursday, 7 January 2016 22:31 (eight years ago) link