FIFA 2010

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

huh - why not? Look how much, for instance, Valve has patched Team Fortress 2...

PES has 360 degree dribbling in the demo but it is so poorly implemented (ie the animations are rubbish) that you'd be forgiven for asking wha'happen

- animation is more realistic, huge improvement in this regard; it just makes the game far better; animation is gameplay imo

this is engine stuff, jeff; it'd have to have been some patch. 360 degree dribbling is engine stuff too, I don't know much about game development but I'd be impressed if they could patch this kind of stuff in. it's taken them however many years to get to the point where they've even attempted to put it, that's how much 'effort' it's taken

"For the most part these refinements are minute, the sort of details that only serious players will understand, let alone become excited by. The AI’s understanding of trapping the ball has been improved, for instance. Now, rather than positioning themselves to control the ball as early as possible – which often results in unrealistic mid-air chest-downs – players will look for the easiest way to bring the ball under control, perhaps by taking a step backwards and waiting for it to drop to the floor. Through balls are now played into the space in front of runners rather than directly to their feet, and those runners can now make curved runs, bending along the offside line to spring defences or arcing between opposition players to collect an angled ball.

There are dozens of such tweaks, making the game more authentic, more complicated, more contextual. But perhaps the alteration that will make the biggest difference to how FIFA actually feels is the removal of the standard eight-directional player axis and the introduction of full 360-degree turning and movement. It’s the perfect illustration of Paterson’s drive to open up scripted and limited areas of FIFA’s engine with lifelike mechanisms offering a far greater number of gameplay variations. “I find it very satisfying,” Rutter says of the new system. “The fact that you couldn’t do that with a player like Cristiano Ronaldo just seemed pretty wrong… It’s one thing people saying, ‘We want more kits, boots and balls’, but when you can’t actually do something as simple as go: ‘There’s two players – I want to run between them…’”"

anyone else tried the PES demo yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpmCNgodzSU

PES has 360 degree dribbling in the demo but it is so poorly implemented (ie the animations are rubbish) that you'd be forgiven for asking wha'happen

― cozwn, den 17 september 2009 21:42 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah i tried it again and could feel it, it's just that the the players oddly enough still prefer to move in the old, usual directions.

I just downloaded the PES demo then played both back to back & it's a real embarrassment for Konami. PES just feels really archaic and broken now compared to FIFA - there's really no comparison. It's a real testament to just how far the FIFA team has come and overall how much effort they've put into making a better game the last few years. It seems like Konami are trying some stuff with PES, but that none of it is working or mixing together smoothly? They need to stop tweaking and really start over from scratch, I think.

I did notice a couple other improvement with FIFA 10 that I didn't notice in my first game this morning. Most notably (for me) was getting the ball out of the air from a goal kick is no longer simply a matter of the guy in front always getting it, but there's more realistic jostling and a real chance for both players. Also, as I think Cozwn wrote above, the L2 jockeying seems improved and looks more natural.

They need to stop tweaking and really start over from scratch, I think.

^This for sure. I feel like all they do is develop a new engine (or port the old one) when a new generation of consoles comes out, then it's just minor tweaks (break something in one iteration, fix it next year) for 5, or 6, or however many years til there's a new generation. Fifa 10, much like the first PES on the Wii did, looks to be trying to break that mould, but I expect it'll end up how PES on the Wii did again; minor tweaks, another £40 game. But at least the changes in Fifa 10 look significant compared to 09.

I guess the same 'tweak' criticism is true of most games where sequel(s) appear in the same generation, but it's far less noticeable due to most games having much more of a narrative than sports titles do; new story & levels = new game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m789zBO47XY

replays of other ppls' goals are more boring thn their retold dreams imo but the passing in tht video is sick

No Lampard pointing to his Mum in the sky no credibility.

dutch national team licensed this time round

http://fifasoccerblog.com/files/2009/09/New-Manager-Mode-screenshot-500x281.jpg

If you pre-order this from shopto.net you get entered into a draw to win a Premier League season ticket. They don't actually have any, they just buy one for you, if there are any left at the club you want. Maybe some guy with Blackburn as a second team will get lucky, I'unno.

asda £24 on launch day, apparently; that'll do me

9.3 on ign uk; 9 on eg

If last year saw FIFA knocking PES off its perch, this year it's chasing it around the birdcage with a plank of wood and a sledgehammer.

Video game representations of Wayne Rooney always neaten up his facial irregularities so much he ends up just looking like a slightly balder Danny Murphy.

if you pay all that money to get ign to write you a press release, you would hope they would at least proof it first. "pretentions".

http://www.easportsfootball.co.uk/media/play/video/9624829

Full game needs to come out just to rid me of fucken botched demo goalkeeper AI

switched to dynamic cam for a laugh, actually feels quite nice
http://www.easportsfootball.co.uk/media/play/video/9626365

"The biggest thing we did this year is we stopped giving [the commentators] a script – they get no scripted lines from us. Everything you hear them say in the game comes straight from them. We create the scenario, give them a context and they look at the situation and play off each other, using their own words."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/video-games/6219427/FIFA-10-The-sound-and-soul-of-football.html

"MacPherson explains that this is made possible because the commentary now has separate AI which 'listens' to the all the information coming from the gameplay. It also checks the information coming from the tournament manager and other areas of the game. But rather than just responding with something, it assesses the information and it may decide not to say anything immediately, or it may pick out what it thinks is more relevant to the bigger picture. Rather than talking about a tackle or a pass, it may choose to talk about your team’s winning or losing streak as it pertains to the season or the competition at this particular point."

seriously impressed w/all of this. stuff like this is brilliant

"In the past, you used to just hear a generic shout and it was a nice part of the atmosphere," says MacPherson. "Now, when a player’s running into space, he’ll call for the ball and you’ll hear it in the game – and you’ll hear it in the right language."

I hope they devote a chunk of time to the computer AI next year

I wondered about the chants last year; licensing Go West is pretty dedicated, but getting Hey Jude just seems like a new level of more hassle than it's worth.

I hope the stuff in that article pans out as well as it could, because a lot of the commentary on the demo is still pretty cornball, especially when you end up dropping the controller to put your head in your hands because you realise they're having another Wembley Discussion.

ha, the demo commentary file is understandably tiny tho but yeah 7 years did you really believe it would happen I have a lot of fond memories as you know

Wasn't sure if "I hope I get to shout goal in it a few times" was some kind of chirpy injoke dig at the crap/inexplicable "I thought you were going to shout goal at the other end" line

I think the fundamental thing the commentary programmers miss is that people tend to play a few games in a row and where the commentary gets most annoying isn't in the variety of things said, but when you have to hear it say the same thing in exactly the same way time and time again across games. It would add so much if the could record basically the same descriptive lines that come up in almost every game, but differently, with different inflections or whatever - that's where you would get some much needed variety and a more human feeling.

nice (I'm playing on amateur btw cos I'm trying to learn all-manual controls)

manual shooting is v.masochistic but v.satisfying

A couple of the reviews linked on Metacritic say the commentary is actually good.

Remember when games used to do the "that's a great goal by <loading> CANTONA"? Surely we should be making progress in that area instead of all this "That's a great finish by the player in question" "Yes, the football team that he plays for will be very pleased with his performance today" stuff.

I know they have chat about big name players but I'm not convinced Rob Earnshaw and Jon Stead are gonna be getting specific enough love.

I actually prefer bad commentary to 'good'/slick commentary: PES4's "no quarter being given nor asked!" is still a classic

"what's that? goal!"

"He's heeled it backwards."

"A heel pass."

"They're stroking it around looking for an opening."

"And he smacks one!"

"It's a ding dong battle between these two teams."

"Put in!"

anyone agree w/stephen ireland being a 78 when gareth barry is an 84?
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/1056/imag0027c.jpg
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5969/imag0028m.jpg

No, can't agree with Tevez being equal to x1 Gareth Barry either. Go four across the middle and get Petrov in there (based on tonight's irl performance).

so fellow nerds, you excited yet? If anyone's playing this on ps3, hit me up.

I AM VERY EXCITED

Shops (Game in Islington, at least) opening at midnight. Had no idea this happened for games. Well done thread, I think I've been convinced to get this for the Wii.

don't get it for the wii!!! get PES if u have a wii

this is crucial - if u own a ps2, PC or wii get PES; if u own a PS3/360 get FIFA

Oh ok!

I might just get last year's PES then, at least I won't have to move Alonso back.

(but why's it no good on the wii? Obviously it's not as powerful as PS3/360, but why do they even bother making games that aren't as good as they want them to be? Naive casual gamer asking big questions.)

well actually I thought the wii version was still running the ps2 code (fifa on PC runs the PS2 game iirc and so did last year's wii version). the 360/PS3 versions have a full new physics-based engine... but reading around seems the wii version is difft. this time out so maybe I spoke too soon...

I'd maybe wait for a review or two of the wii version before deciding? I know for a fact tht PES2009 on the wii is great tho, and can probably be had for pennies now

Re: Ireland/Barry - Are the overalls an average of all the other stats? Cos a bunch of em probably aren't important depending on your position, could just be that Barry is high because of his versatility and insane penalty-taking chops, Ireland could still be more stacked in terms of likelihood of scoring goals and having a major impact on a game

here's an early hands-on for the wii vn.
http://uk.gamespot.com/wii/sports/fifasoccer10/news.html?sid=6213397&mode=previews

I mean like it didn't matter what yr overall was in FIFA 09, if you were a central midfielder you weren't gonna do fuck-all unless you're fast

they really need to work on player individuality next yr

this post from the fsb forums is on point:

"I think nearly everyone here grew up on PES or around it, but today's PES fans seem to think we know nothing about it or that we're missing out on some incredible gaming experience by not sticking by the franchise through hell or high water. Fact of the matter is, I personally know A LOT about PES and what made it so popular.

I used to buy every magazine in the build up to PES3/4/5/6 (not including every ISS, yes, every one) and even imported the sole release of the Gamecube PES (Winning Eleven 6 final evolution).

I'm prepared for the backlash/angry emails because of this next sentence, but I feel I'm correct.

The main "feel" of PES and the "individuality" comes from 4 main running/dribbling animations. Yep. Remember? You could choose them for any player in the game in the edit mode (from PE6). I remember it being one of the main factors that elevated PES beyond the rest at the time cause Freddie Ljungberg had his own style of run with little nuances on how he controlled the ball.

The second point is the player faces. They've always, ALWAYS looked better in PES. It's what defined the ISS series (You know? international Superstar Soccer. Emphasis on the SUPERSTAR). Koppers actually LOOKED like Kluivert and Allejo actually LOOKED like Romario even way back in the SNES days.

The third part is presentation. Konami have always had the best goal replays and game intros. They've been using the same camera's for the replays and celebrations for years now. The sequence of banging in a goal into a water-ripple-like net and having the game cut to a TV-Style camera angle to watch (in realtime) your players celebrate and then going over the goal from 2 other angles and then coming back to the goal celebration in slow motion, and then giving you control of the replay, has been around in the ISS/PES franchise for yonks. From PES6 they've given us over 70 different real life celebrations you can do and you could always choose them in edit mode.

Lets also not forget the league/cup celebrations that last for ages with the ceremony of medal presenting and running around the pitch with the cup.

All of this adds to the personality of the game. I called it "mystic" cause no one ever bothers trying to explain it. Above is the truth and I feel it can be bettered. Maybe that's the reason for the hostility i normally receive for posts like this?

For me, all it would take would be for EA to add 4-5 new dribbling animations that could be assigned in edit mode as well. One for each kind of player:

- Burley/Strong but skillful player dribbling (rooney/podolski/ibrahimmovic/Drogba/Ferdidand/etc)
- Light/fast player/skillful (lennon/robben/walcott)
- Strong/Less skilled (Terry/Puyol/Cannacaro/etc)
- Average skill.

That's pretty much how the 4 skilled lined up in PES6. (go check it out). Each has their own reaction to kicking/running/turning/trapping. Pretty revolutionary for it's time and they use the same formula to this day. If EA mimicked this for Fifa11 with that next gen animation and physics engine powering these new Fifa's (using inverse kinetics) I feel that would be enough for individuality (AI is a whole other issue ).

Next though, for individuality, is seeing your players lift a trophy at the end of the season. It would add tonnes to the game. It's so underrated. Imagine lifting the ACTUAL Premier League title with the Barclays banners and fireworks etc? EA have the licence so we haven't even seen a 3D model of any of the trophies being presented in any footy game. Sad isn't it?

ha, secret achievement:

Bad loser 0G
select to quit & forfeit 5 xboxlive matches when losing

But aren't all games reviews paid-for guaranteed-at-least 8/10 PR nonsense. Is there actually a good/reliable games site? I don't know who to trust.

Anyway, no mention of 360dribbling on the EA wii site, and this:

“Strike it System” set pieces
The new set piece system will utilise the Wii Remote™ creating tense head to head battles on penalties, free-kicks and corners. Each player must time the shaking of their Wii Remote™ perfectly in order to either score or defend free-kicks, penalties and corners adding to the excitement.

hmmm I don't think all reviews are moneyhatted but a lot are. u can normally guage by the metacritic score but yeah word of mouth is the best review imo. from tht gamespot hands-on it seems like EA have abandoned any notion tht FIFA10 on the wii is actually a football sim, it's apparently arcadey as all hell. probably more in common w/mario strikers then than PES

PES on wii is still a sim; and the controls are amazing but take a little getting used to.

compare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvzGgG3jsxM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNWUml4aSXk

I'm very excited by this. Will probably get it tomorrow since I haven't been able to go back playing to 09 since I've downloaded the demo of 10...