Best Metal Gear poll

I'm tempted to vote o.g., for fond memories (don't think I ever finished it, though?), but the first PS one is so great. Played it through at least twice and I'd do it again if I knew what happened to my Playstation.

(haven't played any of the others)

MGS1 is the only one I've finished (and I own 5 of them!). It was good, I voted for it. The meta- stuff in the game (that impossible boss puzzle, the code on the box, etc) was really cleverly done. It's a much funnier series than many people think.

Snake Eater is haaaard, because even though you could breeze through it if you memorized the layouts/enemy patterns, it was enough of a departure the other two MGSes that I felt like I was in a wholly unfamiliar environment.

MGS2 was too easy, but that one meta moment near the end was awwwwesome. Also, loffles from my friends because I could never get past the naked sneaking part without being spotted, even on Easy.

I probably like MGS1 even if I only played it on the GC port. In what other game is canine pee a useful part of the game?

what was the boss puzzle in msg1?

all i really remember is having to plug the controller into the other port for the mind reader gas mask boss, and the awesome sniper rifle section.

i think he means psycho mantis / gas mask dude, who is impossible w/o doing that trick

yup.

(it's possible, but very hard, to hit him without doing it)

Claymores?

Or would that be cheap? (Would it even work?)

He explodes them... telepathically. You just need a lot of luck to hit him with gun shots.

There's actually another hint to switching controllers I haven't seen mentioned anywhere. Before the battle, he looks at your savegames and says special things if you have other Konami games on your memory card. But he only looks at the saves in the card in port 1... This wasn't a very good hint since most gamers didn't have a lot of Konami games, and a lot didn't have a second memory card.

I had konami games on both memory cards and that still didn't even occur to me until you said it right now.

the thing too with shooting him on controller port 1 is that it only did like a pixel of damage, making it actually impossible to do w/o the ammo bandana

MGS 3 is the only one I've played and beaten so far, but the Subsistence version - with the much improved camera (I guess). Definitely one of the very best long games I've ever played. There's so much good stuff in there, I wish I could find the time to play through it again.

Tried out, but didn't care for the first two Metal Gear games (included on disc two of Subsistence). Have recently picked up the first two Metal Gear Solids, but haven't has time to dig into 'em yet. Have played a few missions in portable ops and it seemed ok, I just don't hardly ever pull out the handheld, so...

Anyhow - what I've seen of MGS4 makes me think it's going to end up being the best of the bunch. Can't wait!

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Definitely the original. Loved that game.

MGS1 was the game that got me back into playing consoles, and marveling at the amount of narrative they could stick into a psx game.

i watched an MG1 speed run and i think i must have gotten really far as a kid, maybe even beaten it? weird since i don't remember playing it all that much.

i must have gotten really far as a kid

i was 21 when i first played the game. Don't make me feel old, junior.

I played 2 to death, even going so far as to go through several times collecting dog tags, and completed 1 a couple of times

3 (w/out the decent camera) was one of the worst games I've ever played and I'm a little worried wasting my money by shelling out for subsistence

subsistence is so great. I didn't really like MGS2 (didn't bother to finish it). Haven't played the others.

Snake? Snake?!?!? SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE!!!!!!!!!

(MGS1)

kingfish, are you 42?

I think Jordan was talking about Metal Gear 1, no bloody "Solid," "Substance," or "Subsistence." It's probably safe to assume that we were all kids at the time of MG1.

yes

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oh, i thought you meant mgs. Yeah, MG 1 i was 10 or so.

That doesn't mean none of us played that or even (for Outer Heaven's sake) Snake's Revenge as a kid. I find this kind question of moot anyway, since, let's face it, every game is a remake of the same game over and over again. Of course the new ones are going to be better!

I still love the ones I've played, I dig the whole reflexive, self-eating mythology of it all.

lol @ the idea that these games are improved every time they're remade!

g*d damn i just remembered trying to make it up all those stairs at the end of MGS2, it took my like three days

later i read that you could just pop a bunch of stun grenades and probably not even fire a shot

i never end of using like half the things i have in my pack

never used:
- rotten food as weapon
- empty ammo magazine as weapon
- girly mags
- microphone
- life sensor

what really turned things around for me playing through subsistence was realizing i could blow up ammo dumps and food storage rooms.. made things a LOT easier in later levels where you know you're going to have to fight

i honestly still never really got the hang of CQC - i snapped a few necks, interrogated and did the body shield stuff a few times but i think never threw a dude down once. they put so much emphasis on it in the dialogue, menu screen and instructions that i would have thought it would be much more integral but honestly if you get to the point where you're grabbing someone by the throat you might as well just blow him away with the shotgun

were the stairs in MGS1 too? that sounds really familiar.

MGS2 was pretty awful, I thought. Totally lost interest within four or five hours.

It's a toss-up between MGS1 and the original, for me.

Pretty sure there was a stairs section in MGS1 too, but a lot shorter/less dramatic. But I could easily be confusing it with another scene. MGS2 made a significant story point of how EVERYTHING IS THE SAME AGAIN, though, so it's likely something was there.

I loved MGS 2, but I love the crazy meta-game/story aspects of it all. The incomprehensible bullshit final chapter, fission mailed, all that stuff. Though I can also understand why that + Raiden would piss off a lot of gamers. MGS 1 is defintitely 'tighter' but I gotta give MGS2 credit for its sheer pompous ambition, and in many respects it's a better game. Those of you who didn't get to the end would likely still hate it, however.

Didn't even play Snake Eater, someday I'll pick up a PS2 for myself. *gulp* (I played MGS2 on a friend's box)

I loved MGS2 for the exact same reasons you mentioned, Nhex. I liked MGS3 a lot less while plaaying it, but in retrospect I might like it more?

snake eater's good, but even better with the subsistance version. the improved camera make all the difference.

MGS1 is the best of course. Best plot, best villains, best corny-but-awesome dialogue, best setting. MGS2 has an awesome game engine and plays like a dream though the plot is dopey as hell. I did like the effort to fuck around with the player's expectations a little, though.

I think MGS1 was the first time I've ever been emotionally invested in a game (unless you count being scared by the Resident Evils). It really renewed my faith in videogames.

Ha, 25-year-old roommate got misty-eyed when he got to the part where you find you've been double-crossed by the woman in MSG1!

I finally put MGS1 in for the first time a couple of nights ago. I think it really shows how amazingly fast the progress in graphics has been. It's weird to think that this game is only ten years old & how much more they can do visually just ten years later. It does make it little harder to play when I have the vision of MGS4 arriving shortly.

It's interesting though. Seems like a hard, trial by error type game. Walk ten feet, die, game over - okay I gotta figure out a different way to get there. It does make it a little frustrating, like to finally sneak past all the guys in the first room, make it to the elevator, then it tells you to hide again till the elevator arrives, hide successfully until the elevator shows up, run to it, only to discover a guy with a machine gun inside who kills you, game over. Also for the life of me, I couldn't figure out how to do the final VR mission :(

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/images/ngi/mgs1.jpg
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/images/ngi/mgs2.jpg

A $30 collection of all 3 MGS games in coming for PS2 in March.

... so the english fan translation of policenauts is out but I have no idea where to even start to get it running on my mac. : /

Metal Gear Solid 2 is the best...

its just the best mix of what makes MGS great. I can play that one over again and again.....

the graphics still stand up and that was 8 years ago.

I did actually mean MGS1 up there i.e. the part with the stairs. My writing and grammar is atrocious on this thread so far!

I think Snake Eater is the best. But I'm partial to games that take place outdoors.

cozwn I hear ya - PS1 emulators haven't been in development for Mac since pre-Intel :(

i had some amazon credit that was going to expire, so i ordered the metal gear hd collection (apparently all i want in a game lately is stealth, after deus ex and batman). which should i play first, mgs 2 or 3? never played either.

2 is not great. loooooong cutscenes, unlikable protagonist, lame setting.

3 is awesome. one of the best games for ps2. suffers from occasional cutscene overload but the setting, the bizarre gameplay systems, the boss battles, etc are all great. the camouflage is fun too--it persists into the cutscenes so the entire ending sequence featured snake in absurd kabuki makeup.

and the theme song. and then the joker track with the mg3 theme song sample becomes even more amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RadZTuZEKlM

but don't listen to that til you see it in the game

i'm gonna listen to it

i listened to it

I love that it's whatever kind of game you want it to be. If you want to go naibitingly no-kill (or even no contact) stealth constantly, that certainly seems possible (if difficult). Sometimes I'm feeling that, other times I feel like getting up on a cliff and sniping everyone in the enemy encampment one by one as they fire mortar shells in my general direction. Or if you just want to ride your horsie around the desert and send tranquilized sheep flying into the air at ridiculous rates of speed, go nuts.

I'm in the early stages yet and it doesn't seem to make a huge amount of difference at the moment, but will my current tactic of C-4-ing or grenading the communication dishes continue to be a sound tactic as I progress through the game? I figure, yeah, it raises the hackles of everyone around but then they're the only ones I have to deal with so NBD.

my favoured tactic was always to tranquilise as many enemies at once as i could then casually stroll around their base, rifling through their belongings before fultoning them away into indentured servitude on mother base

i don't think i ever used c4 at any point!

aw, C4 is some mega fun times. you can get pretty creative with it.

i gather not a lot of people have finished this? as cool as it is, there seems to be a burn-out point. i'm still finding myself returning every few weeks though, doing a grip of missions then dropping it for a while. i'll get there.

no wait, i did use it once to ambush some tanks while i hid on a hilltop and picked off the stragglers with a sniper rifle. it was awesome, i dunno why i didn't do that more

It's never too late to rectify an oversight.

fun to sneak to an outlying area where they have their communications satellite, get just on the edge of the C4 detonator range, and then blow that sucker and have them all run over

I'll admit to using the hell out of Quiet once she got her silenced tranq rifle. DROWSINESS FROM ABOVE

will my current tactic of C-4-ing or grenading the communication dishes continue to be a sound tactic as I progress through the game?

hell yes it will. one of my favorite side objectives was getting the blueprint from the airport mission: the blueprint is inside of the helicopter! so you have to sneak over to where it first lands to drop off target 1, let it go on patrol as target meets an arms dealer and they take a tour of the airport base, plant your C-4, go hide on the roof of a nearby building, wait for it to come back, and blow it up.

It probably would've been really cool if I had any idea it was coming, but I went on what I thought would be a quick side mission to abduct that scientist and wound up playing for unplanned several hours as the side mission transitioned into (at least) two actual missions across a huge portion of the map. I very intentionally picked a side mission, guys. Like for a quick fix, not to flush half of my Sunday down the drain. Sheesh. The walkers are pretty cool, though. And I got spotted while stuck in a small garage and had a huge base full of personnel gunning for me, and I sniped and grenaded every last one of them against all odds.

I do love the game but I just wish it was easier to peace out sometimes without feeling like I'm going to lose a whole lotta progress.

I got spotted while stuck in a small garage and had a huge base full of personnel gunning for me, and I sniped and grenaded every last one of them against all odds.

Yes!!!

What do you mean about losing progress?

sort of hate the autosave on Ground Zeroes. I get it, but on accidentally triggering an enemy attack and hightailing it out of there, I ran into the next checkpoint where I needed to extract someone, but my save is now stuck there with 100 enemies outside the door, and no way to get out :-(

You can restart the mission?

Yeah, it's the autosave I have an issue with. I've had to stop playing in the middle of missions a couple of times and, upon returning, was disappointed to see how far behind the last checkpoint was compared to where I stopped. So I'm disinclined to stop until I've actually finished something.

P.S. I've put in dozens of hours now and I'm at 10% completion.

P.P.S. I figured out both how to kill someone at Mother Base (punch or drop them off the edge of a platform) and that it's effectively a 'Game Over' to do so. Boooooo. You don't want me killing my own guys, don't make it a possibility! How am I supposed to control myself?

Goblin Donkey totally had it coming.

I just realized that I've played Phantom Pain and only Phantom Pain for the past month. I cannot remember a game that commanded the entirety of my gaming attention for that long. And I'm still mostly just doing side missions. It's that good!

nice! FOB is like hyper Metal Gear Solid 2 level design and TPP is hyper Metal Gear Solid 3 & 4 level design. TPP is the best don't forget thing Kojima could have done with the Ground Zeroes situation. his game was being chopped up already so he decided to do an HD reboot of the entire series featuring remakes of level and mission design and callbacks for all the MGS games.

Ground Zeroes itself is pretty much a perfect MGSV part one. character wise it is a very important piece of the story puzzle.

i saw a new (to me) cutscene on my birthday last week. Venom, Ocelot, Kaz, and Diamond Dogs sang me a birthday song and gave me a cigar that Quiet lit by shooting it from across the base.

still play some FOB from time to time. the game is really incredible and still looks fantastic to me. it is a solid 60fps and looks very cinematic.

damn it, didn't play on my birthday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkAJa9w-bkM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkfCJrljvKA

these are so good!

I finally am playing through MGS V after buying a PS4 this year, starting it, and detouring for a while. Is the online mode good? Any idea if it's... still good? I'm probably doing too many side missions to build things up since I'm only halfway through the main missions.

MGO? eh, it's fine for what it is. not entirely my cup of tea though.

FOB on the other hand is just great. MGSV has a lot of overpowered tools that make the game a little too easy at times (mainly D-Dog) and FOB is a good way to get the challenge back. i've probably played hundreds of FOB missions and i still regularly get caught almost immediately at 40+ FOBs -- it's tough!

I'm on mission 19 so FOB is coming soon!

this looks real shitty:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3hjRKGrC40

It's like going to see some band from the seventies and realizing that the drummer is the only original member still in the band and they only play new stuff that sounds nothing like the original band but, hey, they still have the same name!

2017? does that mean the two games were concurrently in development? or are they seriously trying to churn out a modern triple-a in two years?

you kinda have to respect konami's dedication to not giving a fuck

MGS1 because there are just a lot of factors (the novelty of it + those wobbly underwater PS1 graphics + memories of being an upright hominid on earth in the 1990s) that make me forgive how misguided and embarrassing it all is when you think about it.

I like 2 and 3 well enough. But right after 1 it gets a little cringeworthy with the professional wrestling bad guys and hour long cutscenes and Kojima's Jaden Smith level profundity.

going to take on the big daddy sahelanthropus this week when I get time. any tips? expecting this sucker to bomb my ass into oblivion a few times before I beat it

aim for the big pods on it

find the tank and the rocket launcher vehicle, tho you may still get jacked up

develop the most advanced RPG there is, the one that has multiple homing warheads

run around like an idiot

yessir

think I need to rerun a mission to get a materials engineer because I want to upgrade my armored suit

oh yeah you do probably want that

call in more ammo whenever you get a chance

bring that rocket launcher that shoots 6 at once.

yea that's the one i meant

look at this toy of snake wearing his crocodile cap from snake eater:
http://i.yai.bz/assets/GalleryImage/r_g0000000250_0_01.jpg
http://www.medicomtoystore.com/Resources/snake04.jpeg

this thing just keeps on going

just rescued hideo kojima yesterday, loving the advertisement for his signature glasses

there's no way in the game to find out where you get tech specialists other than looking at mission descriptions and interrogating randos, right? the only straightforward way is to look on the web. kind of ridiculous.

it'd be cool if you could tell Ocelot to scout for a sleeping gas specialist or w/e and after a couple outings he'd contact you with a lead

I'm guessing some of these dudes were ones I did extract in particular missions but didn't understand the direct contract system yet.

https://i.gyazo.com/decf1a1b58303ee3f795cbed8bc22455.gif

RIP Solidus :(

playing MGS3. i think it is my pick for the best one overall. there really is a mythical nature to all of the characters in this game. if they were to make a movie based on any of the games this one would be my pick.

just defeated The Fury. he is the Cobra member i think of the least, but the fight is pretty good and his intro/outro cinematics are so cool. i guess his backstory is that he was an early test astronaut? they start playing audio from a test flight right before he kills himself, engulfing himself in a ball of flame, thinking he is coming home to Earth. then he turns into a giant face made of fire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhbjTvok1Fk

my fave's still 2 but yeah i love fury's patter. I CAME BACK FROM SPACE.

yeah no game has made me think im tripping like MGS2 has, but MGS3 is just the most solid all-around, and the level design has it beat.

Oscar Isaac To Star As Solid Snake In Sony’s ‘Metal Gear Solid’ Movie https://t.co/LEt48ZPl5C pic.twitter.com/2LmeO7KFjb

— Wario64 (@Wario64) December 4, 2020

this is either the best or worst news ever

i watched playthroughs of 1 and 2 bc i just straight up suck at these games, and i gotta say at this point i would vote for 2 which blew apart my tiny little mind

I was obsessed with MGS and played it many times, but never even tried the sequels. I'm worried they'd be a letdown.

I'm guessing the movie is going to be completely stripped of everything that makes the game so weird and magical.

oscar isaac spends the entire running time beneath a cardboard box

Play Phantom Pain. It came out too late to be polled here but it's just the best. And very nicely balanced, difficulty-wise (as I am also kind of shit wrt the old MGS games). See discussion upthread and, I'm sure, elsewhere on the board.

in a way i prefer ground zeroes. it’s almost like an arcade game. same layout +
tweaked objectives = totally different levels. you can do speed runs even.