Jerry Sloan, two time all-star and four time all-defensive first teamer, probably my answer tho
― Clay, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 03:02 (ten years ago) link
guess it depends on what yr standard for playing greatness is
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 03:04 (ten years ago) link
fair enough, I change my answer to scott skiles
― Clay, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 03:05 (ten years ago) link
he had 30 assists in one game
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 03:07 (ten years ago) link
I like his name, scott skiles, it's kinda funny and makes me laugh
― Clay, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 03:08 (ten years ago) link
― Clay, Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:02 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
he was a good play but not on Wilkens' level. Can make the case that Nellie was better.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 03:12 (ten years ago) link
Kobe Bryant @kobebryant 7mThe cap rules players have to be "selfless" on To "help" BILLIONAIRE owners R the same cap rules the owners LOCKED US out to put in #think
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 November 2013 04:33 (ten years ago) link
#wakeupsheeple #mambaout
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 04:39 (ten years ago) link
i hate kobles, but i support kobe getting that paper, fuck team, go for mines
― to BRR! is humane (m bison), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 04:42 (ten years ago) link
Kobe's only half right. I'd be pretty surprised if anything in the CBA says that players "have to be selfless" when it comes to the salary cap. Pretty sure that part is optional.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 04:56 (ten years ago) link
ctc xp
― Clay, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 04:58 (ten years ago) link
he's referring to the criticism he's gotten for the deal xp
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 November 2013 04:59 (ten years ago) link
kobels otm
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:01 (ten years ago) link
that criticism comes from fans and other outsiders. the correct kobe answer to that is, "See this money. It's my fuck you money. So, fuck you."
― Aimless, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:04 (ten years ago) link
the rules on to for which we make do for why
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:06 (ten years ago) link
kobe knows selflessness is for clowns who don't have multiple rings and a lock on the hof
― Aimless, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:06 (ten years ago) link
have no sympathy for kobe, the CBA wars aren't about superstars they're about journeymen who have short careers and end up hurt with no health benefits. kobe is rich for life regardless -- why does he need 25 million instead of like, 12? he's probably worth like 300. he's entitled to do whatever he wants, but i wish his fans would acknowledge that guys like lebron, KD, etc took less to help their teams while kobe's been all about him
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:07 (ten years ago) link
by KD i mean KG
kobe is right in that the owners manipulated the situation and set up the dynamic in which he is either selfish or not
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:10 (ten years ago) link
the extension definitely adds some fun drama to his comeback, looking forward to it
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:11 (ten years ago) link
There was already a hard cap before the lockout.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:15 (ten years ago) link
And Garnett and Duncan were "selfless" before the lockout.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:17 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, November 27, 2013 12:10 AM (6 minutes ago)
in the sense that if there were no salary cap this would be a non-issue, but the "millionaires vs billionaires" debate etc is a separate thing from this
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:18 (ten years ago) link
Like if you want to say fuck the owners that's cool but you actually are limiting their ability to field a competitive team.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:19 (ten years ago) link
owner agreed to the deal too
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:22 (ten years ago) link
It is amazing though that people are giving him shit when so many lesser players have received max money
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:23 (ten years ago) link
that kobe tweet is awesome i don't care if he's almost a billionaire anyway
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:24 (ten years ago) link
it's not that amazing. it's an unprecedented contract outside of michael's final years
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:26 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RgDdk99m6c
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:26 (ten years ago) link
It's almost as if he doesn't desperately need to get a sixth ring, or doesn't want to sacrifice so he can help ... like ... Carmelo Anthony get a ring?
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:28 (ten years ago) link
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow/la-sp-ln-billy-hunter-kobe-bryant-meddled-20131121,0,987427.story#axzz2loxKBgcB
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:28 (ten years ago) link
He should really sacrifice for one of the least deserving fanbases in the universe.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:29 (ten years ago) link
i don't think anyone is really arguing that kobe SHOULD be taking substantially less money. but it's certainly worth pointing out that he clearly stands out in recent history.
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:30 (ten years ago) link
Plenty of people are arguing that. Not in this thread of course.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:34 (ten years ago) link
xp
Duncan and Garnett were selfless because they valued some things more than they valued X amount more money on top of the money they already had and were guaranteed to make. Kobe took the max amount he could get because he currently has nothing he values more than getting the max money he can get.
The fans criticize kobe and not Duncan or KG, because the fans value a winning team more than they value Kobe getting max money. This makes sense, because whatever amount of money kobe makes, he doesn't play any differently for them to watch. Kobe understands that and resents the fans for wanting him to be paid less.
Kobe's position is very defensible, but the fact remains that he's a jerk, no matter what he's paid.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:34 (ten years ago) link
kobe is selflessly saving us from another year of joe johnson being the highest payed dude out there
― Clay, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:35 (ten years ago) link
i don't even think that many people outside this thread are arguing that but i don't read LA press
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:36 (ten years ago) link
I feel like even if Kobe took the vet minimum the Lakers are not sniffing the Finals.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:37 (ten years ago) link
i haven't read much idiot-response to the signing but i'd bet the average laker fan is thrilled, if anything they probably think he's underpaid
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:39 (ten years ago) link
aimless seems pretty on point to me
― Nhex, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:39 (ten years ago) link
― k3vin k., Wednesday, November 27, 2013 5:39 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
nah they're not this dumb. Maybe like 20%.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:45 (ten years ago) link
i mean in the end two years is not the end of the world. they will prob still be decent, could luck into something fun with not an extreme amount of trouble.
it's not like they're locked into joe johnson and deron williams for half a century
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 05:52 (ten years ago) link
the nets are beyond screwed
― 46. BEETLEJUICE, "乒乓" (1988) (Spottie), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 06:07 (ten years ago) link
c'mon, tonight kg scored in double figures for the second time this season
― Clay, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 06:11 (ten years ago) link
They were led by... Andray Blatche
― 46. BEETLEJUICE, "乒乓" (1988) (Spottie), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 06:18 (ten years ago) link
Lol Rudy 3-12 never change boo
― 46. BEETLEJUICE, "乒乓" (1988) (Spottie), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 06:19 (ten years ago) link
If you think about how much value Kobe has added to the franchise over his career why shouldn't he get a nice send off? They know they're not competitive, either they deal him to rebuild, which was never going to happen, or they pay him his dues.
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 06:46 (ten years ago) link
wow who could tsrobodo be ?????
― Twelve Years a Sock (buzza), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 06:48 (ten years ago) link
kobe has it wrong--players take less not to "help owners" but because the cap places very real restrictions on how much talent a team can bring in from the outside. and good lord do the lakers need some talent from the outside.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 13:18 (ten years ago) link
This was a smart move for management and an outstanding move for Kobe
Lakers are the second most valuable team in the league but are also gonna take the biggest hit in the next few years due to revenue sharing
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2013/01/23/billion-dollar-knicks-and-lakers-top-list-of-nbas-most-valuable-teams/
This allows them to keep their revenue up via jersey sales and sellout games etc.
The alternative is to try and build a championship contending team in the Lebron era
Haha yeah right, worked great last year
Or they could have blown it up and tried to rebuild?
But why do that when you can still make buckets of money off of Kobe for next two years
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 13:19 (ten years ago) link