i mean that draft is very weak, it's not a controversial opinion
it's the two of you who seem to be consumed by it
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 December 2013 23:46 (ten years ago) link
here is only one of the most prominent nba writers with a column that talks at length about the stagnating progress of 2011 draft class players
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/10070788/the-young-nba-players-looking-make-leap-greatness
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 December 2013 23:49 (ten years ago) link
i think the thing is the top 15 of that draft just outright sucks outside of kyrie, klay, kemba, and kawhi (weird!). there's some interesting role-players after that.
― Clay, Sunday, 15 December 2013 23:52 (ten years ago) link
Eric Bledsoe: 19.2ppg, 6.3apg 49.3FG%Goran Dragic: 19.0ppg, 6.2apg, 49.4FG%
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, December 15, 2013 3:52 PM (3 hours ago)
yeah those two are one of the best parts of this season
― k3vin k., Monday, 16 December 2013 00:41 (ten years ago) link
i'm not as high on that class as matt, it's clearly a weak draft
― k3vin k., Monday, 16 December 2013 00:44 (ten years ago) link
maybe not as historically bad as jordan says it is, the 2013 one looks like it'll probably be worse, but it'll probably produce a below-average number of good players
― k3vin k., Monday, 16 December 2013 00:57 (ten years ago) link
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, December 15, 2013 11:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you know this is an article about players from multiple drafts that are struggling right
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 16 December 2013 01:11 (ten years ago) link
nice factual error in the intro when he writes that they're all from the 2010 and 2011 drafts, great job Grantland
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 16 December 2013 01:14 (ten years ago) link
the morris twins have exactly the same tattoos on the same parts of their body
― k3vin k., Monday, 16 December 2013 01:46 (ten years ago) link
I kind of love those two.
― Al He Miola (Spottie), Monday, 16 December 2013 01:48 (ten years ago) link
curry just had a hilariously bad missed layup. got away from the defender at the top of the key, gets into the lane for an easy lefty layup, decides to try to bank it all the way off the top of the glass, way too strong
― k3vin k., Monday, 16 December 2013 01:50 (ten years ago) link
Lillard!
― tsrobodo, Monday, 16 December 2013 01:52 (ten years ago) link
Seriously hope none of these guys get hurt. They've been great to watch all season and I feel if any of the starting 5 go down it falls apart.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 16 December 2013 01:55 (ten years ago) link
Winning shot made by Lillard with 0.1 second on the clock in OT, if the play-by-play on SI.com is correct.
― Aimless, Monday, 16 December 2013 01:59 (ten years ago) link
I'm watching on delay and just got to OT so I'll assume lillard just looked particularly handsome and that's what that comment was about. xp whoops
― Clay, Monday, 16 December 2013 02:01 (ten years ago) link
oh dang, dames
― Clay, Monday, 16 December 2013 02:11 (ten years ago) link
lillard is shooting 40% from the field and 42% from 3
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 16 December 2013 02:17 (ten years ago) link
yeah, someone with his athleticism shooting that poorly on 2s is pretty weird. he shoots so many 3s though that his TS% is still good
― k3vin k., Monday, 16 December 2013 02:20 (ten years ago) link
he has his share of wild drives for sure
― Clay, Monday, 16 December 2013 02:20 (ten years ago) link
killer eurostep from dragic on bogut
― k3vin k., Monday, 16 December 2013 02:32 (ten years ago) link
you could see that bazemore turnover coming from a mile away
― k3vin k., Monday, 16 December 2013 02:47 (ten years ago) link
good finish in phx
― k3vin k., Monday, 16 December 2013 03:25 (ten years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:11 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
of course i know this, piece is primarily 11 draft class tho
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 16 December 2013 03:38 (ten years ago) link
if you include the other mentions at the bottom
he discusses 3 2011 players, one of whom was a non-lottery pick who tore his ACL. And the thesis of the piece isn't "look at these busts" it's "look at these guys who have a ton of potential and just need to take that next step." I sincerely doubt he thinks the 2011 draft is nearly as bad as you do.
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 16 December 2013 04:04 (ten years ago) link
guys all the drafts suck except 2014 which is the cool draft
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 December 2013 04:05 (ten years ago) link
tho chad ford mentioned the other day that ainge was the biggest 2014 sceptic which is kinda freaking me out
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 December 2013 04:08 (ten years ago) link
I think the 2014 top 3 is overrated. Depth is insane tho.
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 16 December 2013 04:09 (ten years ago) link
that's bizarre xp
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 16 December 2013 04:09 (ten years ago) link
I've heard a lot of talk that Embiid may end up going number 1.
marcus smart staying one more year could totally flip how we feel about both 2013 & 2014 drafts imo
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 16 December 2013 04:10 (ten years ago) link
ya embids stock is v hot rn, top six guys all have v BIG UPSIDE
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 December 2013 04:13 (ten years ago) link
it's hard for us to know what is media hype and what is true hype inside front offices
i agree that the top 3 hasn't been overtly impressive but there should be a dozen really, really good players
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 16 December 2013 04:15 (ten years ago) link
what parkers been killin it
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 December 2013 04:18 (ten years ago) link
Exum has looked the most impressive to me
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 16 December 2013 04:19 (ten years ago) link
parker's prob a top 20 college player of the last decade but i can easily see how he could end up closer to luol deng than kevin durant in the nba
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 16 December 2013 04:19 (ten years ago) link
randle beasting too
― lag∞n, Monday, 16 December 2013 04:19 (ten years ago) link
randle looks wild good
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 16 December 2013 04:21 (ten years ago) link
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, December 16, 2013 4:19 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Deng at least has a natural position. Parker looks like a total tweener, and the question is whether he'll make it work like Melo has.
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 16 December 2013 04:30 (ten years ago) link
i dunno he seems like a pretty solid 3 to me
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 16 December 2013 04:31 (ten years ago) link
too slow on D
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 16 December 2013 04:32 (ten years ago) link
yeah but he's like 6-7 he can't play the 4
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 16 December 2013 04:33 (ten years ago) link
yeah that's why he's a tweener! He's a big dude, 240 lb.
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 16 December 2013 04:33 (ten years ago) link
i mean if he's slow on D he's just slow on D, doesn't make him a tweener
his game is totally how a 3 plays tho
harden rolled his ankle :-(
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 16 December 2013 04:37 (ten years ago) link
rockets had no interest in playing the kings tonight huh
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 16 December 2013 04:38 (ten years ago) link
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, December 16, 2013 4:33 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, December 16, 2013 4:33 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
if you can't guard the position you play on offense it's a classic symptom of being a tweener.
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 16 December 2013 04:51 (ten years ago) link
well i think the idea of the 3/4 tweener is for a guy like bennett who is basically a small post player
jabari is just a 3 with questions about his athleticism
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 16 December 2013 04:53 (ten years ago) link
haven't really watched him play but couldn't he just be a smallball 4? that's where the league is headed anyway. i guess that's melo's best position
― k3vin k., Monday, 16 December 2013 04:54 (ten years ago) link