blatche knows how to contract push, gotta give him that
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 02:47 (ten years ago) link
lance racking up the stats in trash time here
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 02:49 (ten years ago) link
Other than PG splitting double teams, the ugliest thing for the Pacers this season has been Lance piling on in 4th quarters, esp when he's close to a triple double. A few times this season he's had his rbs/assists taken care of and then he'd just shoot every time down the floor until he'd get to double digits. Pacers fans lightly booed Vogel a few weeks ago for yanking him for chasing his last two points-- just really nagl. Surprised he hasn't been decked this season for it.
― Call me Shitmael (CompuPost), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 02:57 (ten years ago) link
Oh hey btw Grangerover is back, making extra sure he has zero value on the trade market for the next two months.
― Call me Shitmael (CompuPost), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:00 (ten years ago) link
surprising too that Vogel is into that stuff
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:00 (ten years ago) link
yeah I was hoping Granger would have a stronger start to this comeback attempt
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:02 (ten years ago) link
no one's trading for granger
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:13 (ten years ago) link
serious dirking tonight
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:15 (ten years ago) link
lebron be dunking
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/assets/3762597/ledestroyer.gif
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:16 (ten years ago) link
way to chicken out, millsap
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:18 (ten years ago) link
Granger is a perfect name for a guy who plays in the midwest
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:19 (ten years ago) link
LeBron treated that charge-draw attempt with the proper contempt
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:19 (ten years ago) link
yeah srsly milsap just stand aside
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:19 (ten years ago) link
looooool you can really see the posterizing camera-flashes on that slowmo.
― Call me Shitmael (CompuPost), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:22 (ten years ago) link
Happy Melo just sprained his ankle. If he were out for extended time + Chandler inevitably missing six more weeks at some point, Knicks instantly become most hate-watchable League Pass team.
― Call me Shitmael (CompuPost), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:33 (ten years ago) link
Brian Mahoney @briancmahoney 2m
Damning quote of the night, from Jason Kidd about the Nets: "I think it's getting very close to just accepting losing."
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:33 (ten years ago) link
@ScottCacciola: "Pray for us," Raymond Felton said. "I'm serious."
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:34 (ten years ago) link
YESSS THAT FELTON QUOTE
YESSSSSSSS
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:34 (ten years ago) link
Hope someone finds vid of that, really want to savor "I'm serious" in a/v.
― Call me Shitmael (CompuPost), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:37 (ten years ago) link
lol kidd is such a loser
― brimstead, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:38 (ten years ago) link
Kidd still sharpest dressed NBA coach, has to count for something.
― Call me Shitmael (CompuPost), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:38 (ten years ago) link
what are lebron's odds to win the mvp this year? 1:1?
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:42 (ten years ago) link
lmao felton cheer up bud
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:42 (ten years ago) link
if okc finfishes w a much better record than the heat and durant has a monster season maybe they will want to give it to him idk
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:43 (ten years ago) link
dont look at this picture it will make you cry https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BcOJPbtCAAAACTe.jpg
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:46 (ten years ago) link
...blood
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:47 (ten years ago) link
POOR PAU
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:47 (ten years ago) link
ouch
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:48 (ten years ago) link
game winning free throws for super cool tonight
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:49 (ten years ago) link
if beas put the heat over the top for another title i will lol into eternity
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:53 (ten years ago) link
hey you know who hes having a better season than derick rose
hahaha
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 03:57 (ten years ago) link
Even more astounding now that Rose somehow snagged an MVP since the start of LeBron's run in 2008.
― Call me Shitmael (CompuPost), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 04:11 (ten years ago) link
Klay!
― Al He Miola (Spottie), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 04:17 (ten years ago) link
Nugs have already lost 2X home games as all of last season/
― Call me Shitmael (CompuPost), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 04:42 (ten years ago) link
big win for the dubs imo, they've been bad against the west's playoff seated teams (like 2-9 before tonight iirc) and they havent really shown they can win when the splash bruvs both have bad games.
― Al He Miola (Spottie), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 04:51 (ten years ago) link
Christmas day game vs the Clips is must watch tv tho. Great rivalry.
― Al He Miola (Spottie), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 04:52 (ten years ago) link
u know, Sleep Train Arena is just not working for me as a basketball playing place name
― Clay, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 05:04 (ten years ago) link
wd prefer as a list of instructions for ball players.sleep. train. arena. then food maybe. sleep again. go train again. go to a different arena.
― rhyme heals all goons (m bison), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 05:07 (ten years ago) link
sleep training arena for the fans more like folks the kings are just horrible
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 05:14 (ten years ago) link
that Felton quote should be the board descrip for reals tho
― Clay, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 05:15 (ten years ago) link
the rudy gay effect xp
― Al He Miola (Spottie), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 05:27 (ten years ago) link
The McLemore pick hasn't worked out at all
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 05:34 (ten years ago) link
Bradley Beal didn't look that great at first either but this is pretty extreme
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 05:35 (ten years ago) link
Will probably just start another thread about this "stuff" so fun rolling reg season threads don't get bogged down with sad Debate Club vibe. Succinctly, I guess I'd say that team chemistry is an amalgam of interpersonal intelligence of the players and coaching staff and their ability to interact with each other in an effective manner that supplements whatever other talents they bring to the table.
In the context of Lance and the great start he's been off to this season, I'd say that "good chemistry" is what gives Vogel the confidence to leave Lance in the game after back-to-back turnovers and let him play through Bad Lance stretches when you'd expect a coach to pull him instead. Or that Lance's passing game has blossomed this year in part due to passing up decent looks in order to give other players better looks and maybe understanding that he's more valuable to the team with 10pts/10asts rather than 16pts/6asts. Not to mention he looks 100X more jazzed on the court this season when he's dropping a few crazy dimes each game.
But like, "this nebulous region called intangibles" is nebulous because they're mostly non-quantifiable, and, even if you believe they're real and not just "people telling themselves all sorts of stories about how things work," they still coexist with really obvious stuff like shooting, handle, XOs, etc. That's what I mean by a bad-faith reading-- if your counter-argument is lol kobe/shaq won and hated each other / Jordan won and he's psychotic / etc., then you're just massively missing the point. ie, even if this stuff exists, there are a bunch of other factors at play that might be way more important.
― Call me Shitmael (CompuPost), Monday, December 23, 2013 12:50 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is probably all i'll say on the topic but i think some of the things you've said in your posts are reasonable, but i think maybe what's going on is a type of ecological fallacy -- chemistry probably exists but it's kind of more a "team" or culture thing than it is the sum of individuals. lance fits into the pacers system well, but it's not like he can move to another team and use his chemicals to improve just any team's chemistry. so chemistry to me seems like a team-level thing rather than an individual thing. what's probably more important is FIT -- teams that have a good complementary set of players that fit into their system probably tend to win more games, teams that win probably tend to like each other more, which gets interpreted as chemistry, etc etc
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 24 December 2013 05:45 (ten years ago) link
McLemore not off to the hottest start but he's a rookie who is instantly playing like 23-30 minutes a game and already looks like a passable NBA player, which is a net positive for now. Plus he's doing this on the Kings. Always tough to accurately gauge rookies since dudes who end up being amazing players might need at least a season to really transition. Like McLemore will be fine; way more worried that Bennett is serious flameout material. Would probably be a big ego blow for Cavs to D League him for a while, but honestly seems like the best decision atm.
― Call me Shitmael (CompuPost), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 05:59 (ten years ago) link
xp Heh, not gonna wade back into this but yeah, that makes total sense to me / approaches what I was trying to get at. When people talk about players being good fits, usually it has to do with complementary styles of play (like Aimless' pg and defender-rubber), which is almost a truism when it comes to team-building. I guess w/ Lance, it's less that his skill set happened to complement other players well; rather, it's that Lance, hypothetically, wouldn't have become the player he is now w/o a shitton of smart interpersonal maneuvering to help get him there.
Unrelated to that, it's just really cool to see an end-of-bench player and think damn, this person has something nobody else has, would be a shame if he could never put it all together. Cool that Lance entered the league as a one-dimensional scorer and, a few years later, his skill set probably goes passer > defender > rebounder > scorer.
― Call me Shitmael (CompuPost), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 06:42 (ten years ago) link
Finally reading that Lowe piece ... using a team's combined record over multiple seasons is probably the sanest idea I've heard, although two seasons makes more sense than three.
― Call me Shitmael (CompuPost), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 06:48 (ten years ago) link
Timmy with the handleshttp://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/thumb/829314134.gif
― tsrobodo, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 15:45 (ten years ago) link
nice
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 16:45 (ten years ago) link