the bigger edge I see Paul having over him his steals. D Rose is quick and is willing, but for whatever reason is a terrible defender. Doesn't even make up for not keeping guys in front of him with playing the passing lanes.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 16 April 2009 21:28 (fifteen years ago) link
i gotta imagine that being on the bulls doesn't help d rose's defensive intensity -- he prob never really had to try on D in HS or at memphis and he doesn't have a kg (like rondo) or a few years around the USA guys (like paul) or anything of that nature
― starsky and what (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 16 April 2009 21:30 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah that's true. and vinny is def not known for his defensive-mindedness. but he does seem to try. just looks totally lost out there. sticks like glue to every screen. doesn't know when to go over/when to go under. when to give up the jumper/when to get up in someone's grill. i think he'll learn and get better. iirc correctly wade was a bit of a matador as a rook, too.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 16 April 2009 21:44 (fifteen years ago) link
another reason he doesn't get more assists is, rather than the main offense strategy being have him penetrate and kick out/throw a lob or be involved in a pick n roll, 80% of the time it consists of him throwing a pass to gordon with 15 seconds left on the shot clock, rose getting out of the way and standing in the corner, and bg forcing shit on his own.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 16 April 2009 21:48 (fifteen years ago) link
seriously if bg wasn't a huge ballhog AND in his contract year on top of that, rose would've had an even huge season stat wise.
u r straight up delusional abt this derick rose guy - is it because u want to make love to him
― I can dance, shake tambourines, tell jokes... (ice cr?m), Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:01 (fifteen years ago) link
not again, no
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:02 (fifteen years ago) link
nah rose is dope, joe ur trippin
― starsky and what (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:02 (fifteen years ago) link
d rose has a shot at winning a title as his team's #1 option. beasley no way.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:04 (fifteen years ago) link
ehhh
― starsky and what (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:07 (fifteen years ago) link
rose has to develop chris paul's jump shot before that's true
i agree with you wrt beasley tho - he's playing really well but teams are like tripling wade every time down the floor
― starsky and what (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:08 (fifteen years ago) link
his shot has actually been looking really good lately, don't think that will be a problem. don't see him being a threat from 3, but a solid tony parker esque 18ft jumper, no prob.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:14 (fifteen years ago) link
his buttocks are totally sublime too
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:16 (fifteen years ago) link
"d rose has a shot at winning a title as his team's #1 option. beasley no way."
This is nonsense. As is the part about Rose being as good as Parker or Paul.
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:20 (fifteen years ago) link
With Wade -- and perhaps soon another maximum-contract star (n.1) -- as his teammate, Beasley's unlikely to be the No. 1 option (at least with the Heat). Plus, sure he could.
____________________________________(n.1) Those potentially free in 2010 include: Chris Bosh,Amare Stoudemire, LeBron James, Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady, Dirk Nowitzki, Manu Ginobili, and Steve Nash.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:20 (fifteen years ago) link
you think he has no shot? zero? zilch?
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:21 (fifteen years ago) link
Which part?
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:23 (fifteen years ago) link
parker's 2nd year (disregarding rookie year, didn't avg over 30 mins. dude has never avg'd 35 mins a game, which is surprising): 15.5/5.3. This year is the only year Parker has avg'd more assists than Rose did this year.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:23 (fifteen years ago) link
notice how i'm keeping paul out of this cause i think he'll wind up being top3 pg all time.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:24 (fifteen years ago) link
you know who d rose is better than? beyonce.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Nice buttocks too
― carne asada, Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:26 (fifteen years ago) link
I think Chicago has very little shot of winning a championship anytime soon.
If they do win a championship it will be because Rose is surrounded by players better than he is.
I think if Beasely wins a championship (which is also unlikely anytime soon) he might (but probably won't as long as Wade is around) be the best player on his team (20/10 dudes are pretty good).
I think it extremely unlikely that Rose will be as good a player as Paul. I should clarify that I don't think he will be as good as Parker is when Parker plays his best ball.
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:27 (fifteen years ago) link
I think if Beasely wins a championship (which is also unlikely anytime soon)
Really? I mean, if the Heat (a) re-sign Wade and, say (b) add C. Bosh, I'd give them a pretty good chance. They'd be young, and very -- very -- good.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Fair enough. We shall see. I do think he'd need two strong options with him, 1A and 1B. You can't see Rose in 7-8 years avging Parker's current numbers?
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:30 (fifteen years ago) link
I think at least one of those things is not likely to happen though and I also think that Lebron is also young and very -- very -- better.
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:30 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, but the thing I keep hearing about LJ is that he doesn't want to surround himself with a co-No. 1 type player (otherwise, he and Wade could be teammates, in Miami or, say, NY). Wade, OTOH, is very willing to have someone like LJ or Bosh.
Can't predict, obv., but I think there's a pretty good chance of both those things happening. Most of what I read has Wade happy here and likely to re-sign (that may have changed lately; I haven't kept up). And Miami has the space for a maximum contract. I read about Bosh a lot down here as a very possible acquisition.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:33 (fifteen years ago) link
(And I know there's noone equal to LJ now; I meant "co-No. 1" 'cause it's easy shorthand).
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:34 (fifteen years ago) link
my nba fantasy is wade coming to the bulls in 2010, forming an unstoppable chicago-bred backcourt that wins a minimum 8peat.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, I've heard that as a possible scenario. I'm sure, tho, you've read the most likely thing is him re-signing here.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:35 (fifteen years ago) link
"You can't see Rose in 7-8 years avging Parker's current numbers?"
I can, but if he does averages Parker's #s in 7-8 years I doubt he'll be his team's #1 option (i.e. he'll need a Duncan or more likely a Beasley--who isn't likely to be as good as Duncan, but you know what I mean.)
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:35 (fifteen years ago) link
"Yeah, but the thing I keep hearing about LJ is that he doesn't want to surround himself with a co-No. 1 type player"
Did Lebron tell you this himself?
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:36 (fifteen years ago) link
I can't imagine Lebron wouldn't be thrilled to be playing with Chris Bosh.
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:37 (fifteen years ago) link
He always uses intermediaries when he communicates with me.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 16 April 2009 22:40 (fifteen years ago) link
u guys parker is not good enough to be the best player on a championship team except in a detroit 5 all stars style line up - i could def see rose being as good as parker - thats not quite superstar good tho
if the last month of beasleys career is indicative of his learning curve hes going to be an absolutely dominant scorer/rebounder - an automatic double team - could easily be an aberration tho - and imo the doubling and tripling wade effect can only be so strong - is anyone else on miami putting up numbers nearly like beasleys in any way - no they are not - shawn marion for instance certainly didnt benefit from any particular wade effect
a wade/rose back court is interesting to think abt - weve never seen anything quite like it - itd be slightly undersized and not great from distance but fuck they would just punish u off the dribble and in transition - chicago would still need someone to score on the block imo to make the opposing D pay for overplaying the perimeter - but at that point a serviceable guy would do - like leon powe or whoever - also shooters obv need them always - lol chicago is a pretty poorly assembled team
― I can dance, shake tambourines, tell jokes... (ice cr?m), Friday, 17 April 2009 00:43 (fifteen years ago) link
i don't think wade and rose would complement each other well, they have a really similar skill set (tho wade is 1000x times more talented obv)
― Nasty British and Short (hmmmm), Friday, 17 April 2009 04:34 (fifteen years ago) link
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0416/nba_g_lebron_kobe_576.jpg
― I can dance, shake tambourines, tell jokes... (ice cr?m), Friday, 17 April 2009 15:46 (fifteen years ago) link
psyched for 2morrow!
― Isiah Dumbass (Dr. Phil), Friday, 17 April 2009 19:03 (fifteen years ago) link
def gives me a good excuse to start drinkin at 11am, which will in turn give me an excuse for a poor tennis performance in the afternoon.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 17 April 2009 19:35 (fifteen years ago) link
high 70s. need to find somewhere 2 watch outside
― Isiah Dumbass (Dr. Phil), Friday, 17 April 2009 23:38 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.skate2stick.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/referee_blind_lg_nwm.gif
― Isiah Dumbass (Dr. Phil), Saturday, 18 April 2009 18:20 (fifteen years ago) link
This game has been awesome. Derrick Rose has been nigh unstoppable.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Saturday, 18 April 2009 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link
As I wrote that, he made two consecutive awesome plays. Geez.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Saturday, 18 April 2009 18:43 (fifteen years ago) link
derrick fucking rose
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 18 April 2009 18:43 (fifteen years ago) link
I didn't exactly follow the bulls too closely this year but wowowowow at derrick rose, jesus.
― Clay, Saturday, 18 April 2009 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link
omg vinny del negro's dad is adorable.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Saturday, 18 April 2009 18:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Ray Allen and Ben Gordon have been straight up garbage in this game.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Saturday, 18 April 2009 18:56 (fifteen years ago) link
And as I type that, Gordon makes a shot.
And again!
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Saturday, 18 April 2009 19:00 (fifteen years ago) link
AND AGAIN!
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Saturday, 18 April 2009 19:02 (fifteen years ago) link
So the playoffs are going to be good imo
― Clay, Saturday, 18 April 2009 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link