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Lakers have looked so bad all bubble, I think the rockets take this. Think the thunder had a shot too

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 5 September 2020 13:52 (three years ago) link

xp its so impressive, really feel like they deserve the chip for it

ciderpress, Saturday, 5 September 2020 14:17 (three years ago) link

The Bucks have made many, many, many questionable decisions in this series, but I *really* don't get why they aren't ducking under every Jimmy Butler PnR.

Butler shot 30.5 percent (!!!) on jumpers out of PnR during the regular season via Synergy.

🗣️ SOUND ON pic.twitter.com/nggOmsJ9Qm

— Karens In Paris (@NekiasNBA) September 5, 2020

not great coach bud

lag∞n, Saturday, 5 September 2020 17:01 (three years ago) link

*2 point game*

[insert Rondo] pic.twitter.com/udBSoTwiRB

— pickuphoop (@pickuphoop) September 5, 2020

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 5 September 2020 19:35 (three years ago) link

Rondo running around trying to look like he’s doing something smh

(•̪●) (carne asada), Saturday, 5 September 2020 22:22 (three years ago) link

not gonna get it done!

Boston shot 7/35 (20%) tonight. This was the 7th time in NBA history a playoff team shot 20% or less on 35+ attempts. They've all come in the past 4 years and Boston now has 3 of them.

— Jared Weiss (@JaredWeissNBA) September 6, 2020

lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:24 (three years ago) link

i mean yeah

Jaylen Brown: "I'm a good shooter. I just got to make them."

— Boston.com Celtics News (@BDCCeltics) September 6, 2020

lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:34 (three years ago) link

Raptors bandwagon up and running.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:39 (three years ago) link

defending champs, y'know

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:40 (three years ago) link

It felt like one of those games (applicable to all sports) where Toronto was unable to put them away for much of the last quarter and were destined to lose.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:44 (three years ago) link

nuggets up 19 after the first quarter, just as I expected

k3vin k., Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:46 (three years ago) link

Nuggets looking sharp

Spottie, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:56 (three years ago) link

dankver nuggs

methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Sunday, 6 September 2020 03:37 (three years ago) link

Hey the 3rd seed in the West is pretty good

Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 6 September 2020 03:49 (three years ago) link

I believe it was Shaq tonight who said something to the effect of "Denver has two teams, the one that shows up and the one that doesn't"

tonight was like night and day as compared to game 1

alpine static, Sunday, 6 September 2020 05:27 (three years ago) link

if they get that garry harris a few more times this series that could be the difference. i still dont know what the nuggets best 5 lineup is but having grant and harris in together when kawhi and pg are in seems good.

Spottie, Sunday, 6 September 2020 06:05 (three years ago) link

the nuggets lost 3 of the 4 quarters but still won the game, which disproves my quarter theory

k3vin k., Sunday, 6 September 2020 10:56 (three years ago) link

there should be a final tally where points are awarded for "winning the most quarters" like mario party

bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 6 September 2020 16:26 (three years ago) link

games should be comprised of one 48 minute quarter (divided into 4 sixteenths)

lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 17:01 (three years ago) link

the winning team should have to achieve some particular statistical feat off a list of options before they can end the game like in japanese mahjong

ciderpress, Sunday, 6 September 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link

Question from a baseball fan. (As soon as the Raptors exit, you'll be rid of me.)

Clutch-hitting was a big subject of debate for years--the overwhelming consensus among analysts now is that, with a large enough data sample, no such thing exists. (Bill James was the first to arrive at that conclusion; always the contrarian, I believe his view now is that it hasn't been studied properly, or can't be studied, or something that allows that it might exist with certain players.)

Lowry was great down the stretch yesterday, and my sense is that he's thought of as a pressure player. Kawhi, too, and Jordan, etc.

Has this been studied in basketball?

a) reliably clutch players exist in basketball

b) reliably clutch players don't exist (I remember Lowry missed a game-tying shot in the finals last year...albeit a tough one)

c) you can't really compare the two sports (basketball's a team sport, baseball is batter vs. pitcher)

clemenza, Sunday, 6 September 2020 17:57 (three years ago) link

lowry's rep was actually that he sucks in the playoffs, after a bunch of poor performances 2-3 years ago. i dont know that he's done enough to overturn that

ciderpress, Sunday, 6 September 2020 18:13 (three years ago) link

i believe in b) in terms of jump shooting but im guessing theres some folks here who believe in the Hot Hand. for overall performance c) is more accurate, i don't think anything besides open jumpers and free throws have the context-free statistical purity of baseball

ciderpress, Sunday, 6 September 2020 18:18 (three years ago) link

Mike Budenholzer says Giannis is warming up and testing his injured ankle. But no final decision on Giannis' status for Game 4 yet.

Budenholzer: "He's giving it everything he can to be available."

— Anthony Chiang (@Anthony_Chiang) September 6, 2020

https://i.imgur.com/5A3WFRN.png

lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 18:25 (three years ago) link

seasoning the sweep chamber

bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 6 September 2020 18:27 (three years ago) link

Being in Toronto, I no doubt get a distorted view of Lowry's reputation (added to the casualness of my own fandom).

clemenza, Sunday, 6 September 2020 18:29 (three years ago) link

another issue with studying clutch basketball performance is that there are only so many clutch opportunities, which disproportionately go to the best players, so then i think those players get an outsized perception of whether they are clutch/not clutch based on tiny samples (e.g. lowry's last two seasons vs....all the seasons before that). at least in baseball everybody has their turn to hit.

i think there was a pretty comprehensive study of hot hand shooting done a couple years ago and it concluded that there is a small but real effect. hot hand obv different from clutch performance.

call all destroyer, Sunday, 6 September 2020 18:55 (three years ago) link

There's also, I would think, the ability to draw a lot of defenders to you when the game is on the line and knowing when to pass off--Walker's pass the other night was every bit as clutch as OG's shot.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:00 (three years ago) link

I.e., which is where the team aspect of basketball clouds the comparison.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:02 (three years ago) link

clutchness in basketball imo its more about ability to get buckets under the increased defensive intensity of late game situations than like not being nervous in big spots which is just some sportwriter bs, like anunobys shot is m/l just a normal open corner 3 pointer but kemba saw a trap dribbled out of it and created a dunk which is pretty unheard of in that situation where usually you end up getting contested 3s

lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:14 (three years ago) link

contested jumpers rather

lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:15 (three years ago) link

the great play on anunobys shot was lowrys pass fwiw, idk if it was clutch, as mentioned lowery has not been historically very clutch which makes sense if you look at his game you can stop him if you really need to hes not an elite scorer

lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:17 (three years ago) link

That pass by Walker was incredible. Even though the Raptors had lost a lead, I didn't even feel bad when it looked like that pass had sealed the win--it was something I was glad I got to see.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:20 (three years ago) link

kinda sad that itll be lost to history, a truly great play

lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:21 (three years ago) link

in conclusion basketball clutchness has nothing to do with being clutch lol its just being good at basketball

lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:21 (three years ago) link

Which is basically where baseball analysts landed:

"Look at that, Tony Gwynn hits .340 in the 7th inning and later with runners on..."
"Tony Gwynn always hits .340."

clemenza, Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:24 (three years ago) link

yeah the idea of the big moment is so central to sports mythology but prob doesnt matter that much to actual playing sports

lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:33 (three years ago) link

there are such things as nba players who noticeably do not want the ball in a clutch situation and make a pass when they should take the open shot, but the self-confidence level of nba players is pretty damned high in general, so such players are few.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:42 (three years ago) link

yeah and those guys are mostly like... jeff green, so it doesnt really matter

lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:54 (three years ago) link

oh yeah i guess im willing to believe the hot hand exists in the sense that like, if a player has their shooting mechanics particularly on form then thats probably repeatable over a stretch, but its not related to clutch game situations

ciderpress, Sunday, 6 September 2020 20:03 (three years ago) link

Welp time to make history I guess

frogbs, Sunday, 6 September 2020 20:03 (three years ago) link

When Giannis was told that no nba team had come back to win from a 3-0 deficit, he was quoted saying, "It could be us. It could definitely be us." And now I'm watching this thinking, "nope, it's not you."

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Sunday, 6 September 2020 20:23 (three years ago) link

But it could be

frogbs, Sunday, 6 September 2020 20:24 (three years ago) link

Aw heck

frogbs, Sunday, 6 September 2020 20:34 (three years ago) link

well

Giannis Antetokounmpo has been diagnosed with a right ankle sprain and is out for the game, per team.

— Malika Andrews (@malika_andrews) September 6, 2020

lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 20:43 (three years ago) link

Anunoby did a hurry up motion which probably decreased the chances he’d choke

Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 6 September 2020 20:55 (three years ago) link

Gary Harris really did get rid of the hitch in his jumper, it’s an intriguing situation folks

Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 6 September 2020 20:56 (three years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/X66ObCv.png

lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 21:02 (three years ago) link

why is wes matthews -24 in a tied game

ciderpress, Sunday, 6 September 2020 22:06 (three years ago) link

lol

First time in history we ever got a wedgie for the win @TasMelas pic.twitter.com/5GTHdIMfP5

— BBALLBREAKDOWN (@bballbreakdown) September 6, 2020

lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 22:07 (three years ago) link


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