there should be a final tally where points are awarded for "winning the most quarters" like mario party
― bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 6 September 2020 16:26 (three years ago) link
games should be comprised of one 48 minute quarter (divided into 4 sixteenths)
― lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 17:01 (three years ago) link
the winning team should have to achieve some particular statistical feat off a list of options before they can end the game like in japanese mahjong
― ciderpress, Sunday, 6 September 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link
Question from a baseball fan. (As soon as the Raptors exit, you'll be rid of me.)
Clutch-hitting was a big subject of debate for years--the overwhelming consensus among analysts now is that, with a large enough data sample, no such thing exists. (Bill James was the first to arrive at that conclusion; always the contrarian, I believe his view now is that it hasn't been studied properly, or can't be studied, or something that allows that it might exist with certain players.)
Lowry was great down the stretch yesterday, and my sense is that he's thought of as a pressure player. Kawhi, too, and Jordan, etc.
Has this been studied in basketball?
a) reliably clutch players exist in basketball
b) reliably clutch players don't exist (I remember Lowry missed a game-tying shot in the finals last year...albeit a tough one)
c) you can't really compare the two sports (basketball's a team sport, baseball is batter vs. pitcher)
― clemenza, Sunday, 6 September 2020 17:57 (three years ago) link
lowry's rep was actually that he sucks in the playoffs, after a bunch of poor performances 2-3 years ago. i dont know that he's done enough to overturn that
― ciderpress, Sunday, 6 September 2020 18:13 (three years ago) link
i believe in b) in terms of jump shooting but im guessing theres some folks here who believe in the Hot Hand. for overall performance c) is more accurate, i don't think anything besides open jumpers and free throws have the context-free statistical purity of baseball
― ciderpress, Sunday, 6 September 2020 18:18 (three years ago) link
Mike Budenholzer says Giannis is warming up and testing his injured ankle. But no final decision on Giannis' status for Game 4 yet.Budenholzer: "He's giving it everything he can to be available."— Anthony Chiang (@Anthony_Chiang) September 6, 2020
https://i.imgur.com/5A3WFRN.png
― lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 18:25 (three years ago) link
seasoning the sweep chamber
― bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 6 September 2020 18:27 (three years ago) link
Being in Toronto, I no doubt get a distorted view of Lowry's reputation (added to the casualness of my own fandom).
― clemenza, Sunday, 6 September 2020 18:29 (three years ago) link
another issue with studying clutch basketball performance is that there are only so many clutch opportunities, which disproportionately go to the best players, so then i think those players get an outsized perception of whether they are clutch/not clutch based on tiny samples (e.g. lowry's last two seasons vs....all the seasons before that). at least in baseball everybody has their turn to hit.
i think there was a pretty comprehensive study of hot hand shooting done a couple years ago and it concluded that there is a small but real effect. hot hand obv different from clutch performance.
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 6 September 2020 18:55 (three years ago) link
There's also, I would think, the ability to draw a lot of defenders to you when the game is on the line and knowing when to pass off--Walker's pass the other night was every bit as clutch as OG's shot.
― clemenza, Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:00 (three years ago) link
I.e., which is where the team aspect of basketball clouds the comparison.
― clemenza, Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:02 (three years ago) link
clutchness in basketball imo its more about ability to get buckets under the increased defensive intensity of late game situations than like not being nervous in big spots which is just some sportwriter bs, like anunobys shot is m/l just a normal open corner 3 pointer but kemba saw a trap dribbled out of it and created a dunk which is pretty unheard of in that situation where usually you end up getting contested 3s
― lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:14 (three years ago) link
contested jumpers rather
― lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:15 (three years ago) link
the great play on anunobys shot was lowrys pass fwiw, idk if it was clutch, as mentioned lowery has not been historically very clutch which makes sense if you look at his game you can stop him if you really need to hes not an elite scorer
― lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:17 (three years ago) link
That pass by Walker was incredible. Even though the Raptors had lost a lead, I didn't even feel bad when it looked like that pass had sealed the win--it was something I was glad I got to see.
― clemenza, Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:20 (three years ago) link
kinda sad that itll be lost to history, a truly great play
― lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:21 (three years ago) link
in conclusion basketball clutchness has nothing to do with being clutch lol its just being good at basketball
Which is basically where baseball analysts landed:
"Look at that, Tony Gwynn hits .340 in the 7th inning and later with runners on...""Tony Gwynn always hits .340."
― clemenza, Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:24 (three years ago) link
yeah the idea of the big moment is so central to sports mythology but prob doesnt matter that much to actual playing sports
― lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:33 (three years ago) link
there are such things as nba players who noticeably do not want the ball in a clutch situation and make a pass when they should take the open shot, but the self-confidence level of nba players is pretty damned high in general, so such players are few.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:42 (three years ago) link
yeah and those guys are mostly like... jeff green, so it doesnt really matter
― lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 19:54 (three years ago) link
oh yeah i guess im willing to believe the hot hand exists in the sense that like, if a player has their shooting mechanics particularly on form then thats probably repeatable over a stretch, but its not related to clutch game situations
― ciderpress, Sunday, 6 September 2020 20:03 (three years ago) link
Welp time to make history I guess
― frogbs, Sunday, 6 September 2020 20:03 (three years ago) link
When Giannis was told that no nba team had come back to win from a 3-0 deficit, he was quoted saying, "It could be us. It could definitely be us." And now I'm watching this thinking, "nope, it's not you."
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Sunday, 6 September 2020 20:23 (three years ago) link
But it could be
― frogbs, Sunday, 6 September 2020 20:24 (three years ago) link
Aw heck
― frogbs, Sunday, 6 September 2020 20:34 (three years ago) link
well
Giannis Antetokounmpo has been diagnosed with a right ankle sprain and is out for the game, per team.— Malika Andrews (@malika_andrews) September 6, 2020
― lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 20:43 (three years ago) link
Anunoby did a hurry up motion which probably decreased the chances he’d choke
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 6 September 2020 20:55 (three years ago) link
Gary Harris really did get rid of the hitch in his jumper, it’s an intriguing situation folks
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 6 September 2020 20:56 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/X66ObCv.png
― lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 21:02 (three years ago) link
why is wes matthews -24 in a tied game
― ciderpress, Sunday, 6 September 2020 22:06 (three years ago) link
lol
First time in history we ever got a wedgie for the win @TasMelas pic.twitter.com/5GTHdIMfP5— BBALLBREAKDOWN (@bballbreakdown) September 6, 2020
― lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 22:07 (three years ago) link
spo not challenging the dante foul and then taking out bam and then jae crowder forcing dragic into a heave with a time out in their back pocket not the heat’s finest moment
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 6 September 2020 22:08 (three years ago) link
middleton did not want the shot at the end of the game... dante bailed him out
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 6 September 2020 22:09 (three years ago) link
There is no fucking way the Bucks win this OT
― frogbs, Sunday, 6 September 2020 22:11 (three years ago) link
middleton killed overtime rip
― lag∞n, Sunday, 6 September 2020 22:22 (three years ago) link
HAHAHAHAH YES THE REVERSE JINX WORKED
― frogbs, Sunday, 6 September 2020 22:25 (three years ago) link
spo really mangled the end of that game with his challenge decisions... the play he ran at the end to get herro the 3 was nuts tho
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 6 September 2020 22:27 (three years ago) link
BUCKS
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 6 September 2020 22:50 (three years ago) link
Jimmy Buckets had a bad stretch of hero ball in the second quarter. He'd drive, the Bucks would collapse the middle and swarm him, then he'd make a bad pass or wild shot; it seemed like about six consecutive possessions.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Sunday, 6 September 2020 23:00 (three years ago) link
Still can’t beliEve I watched Krhis Middleton hit baskets on the chlutch
― frogbs, Monday, 7 September 2020 01:16 (three years ago) link
Auto corext why you do me loke this
midtalica "call of the chltulu"
― methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Monday, 7 September 2020 01:25 (three years ago) link
rough night for russell westbrook
― lag∞n, Monday, 7 September 2020 03:06 (three years ago) link
lebron james
― Clay, Monday, 7 September 2020 03:08 (three years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhSCvbxU8AEq255?format=jpg&name=900x900
― lag∞n, Monday, 7 September 2020 03:27 (three years ago) link
lonely guy thinkin baout threes
― methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Monday, 7 September 2020 04:15 (three years ago) link
this is fun to try: https://stephennoh.github.io/nbadefensequiz/
― call all destroyer, Monday, 7 September 2020 04:22 (three years ago) link
it's just staggering how explosive LeBron is at 35
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 7 September 2020 04:23 (three years ago) link