i think he's more in the bradley beal zone than the dame/steph zone
― ciderpress, Sunday, 27 September 2020 16:52 (three years ago) link
I’ll take it
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 27 September 2020 16:55 (three years ago) link
i mean dame isnt in the steph zone if we're being real
― Spottie, Sunday, 27 September 2020 17:00 (three years ago) link
we can't fully discount what we've seen in the bubble, players and teams showing new skills should be recognized. but we also have to acknowledge that it's a context for basketball that we will never see again. and it's not just murray or the nuggets! i'm very happy to talk about my miami heat. do we really think the heat would be 12-3 in the playoffs w/ tyler herro eurostepping over everyone's faces if they had to play a normal amount of playoff road games? bcuz i don't. i'm going to be using caution in extrapolating no travel/no crowd/games every other day playoff basketball to the playoffs of the future.
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 27 September 2020 17:20 (three years ago) link
murray may have taken a "leap"... the nuggets could also lose to utah, dallas, or houston in the first round next year, or the clippers, lakers, or warriors in the second round and it wouldn't necessarily mean they're any worse than what we're seeing from them in the bubble.
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 27 September 2020 17:23 (three years ago) link
Has any player had a 19 game playoff run like Murray had and not been a star? I doubt it
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, September 27, 2020 12:35 PM (fifty-one minutes ago)
it was a great 19 game run no doubt but this point is entirely devoid any context whatsoever
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 27 September 2020 17:30 (three years ago) link
― Spottie, Sunday, September 27, 2020 1:00 PM (thirty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
uhh thats why i called it the dame-steph zone please do your research on how zones work before posting
― lag∞n, Sunday, 27 September 2020 17:35 (three years ago) link
The context is every other playoff run in nba history
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 27 September 2020 17:35 (three years ago) link
ok but it's not, because no other playoffs in history has been played in one city in an open gym in front of no fans. it's ok to talk about this.
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 27 September 2020 17:36 (three years ago) link
tyler herro is putting up "playoff" stats that have him in company w/ magic johnson and james worthy. he looks great, has clearly improved, is gonna be a very important longterm piece, possibly a multi time all star. and yet it's still ok to look at what he's done in the bubble playoffs w/ a skeptical eye.
tbf there are also additional problems with historical stat comparisons at the moment
― lag∞n, Sunday, 27 September 2020 17:39 (three years ago) link
donovan mitchell averaged 36-5-5 on 52/52/95 shooting... i don't really know what to take away from these stats. my conclusion is basically what it was before, which is that donovan mitchell is really good at scoring.
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 27 September 2020 17:44 (three years ago) link
That’s one series, murray did 19 games.
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 27 September 2020 17:47 (three years ago) link
Broad presumption before the playoffs was that Donovan mitchell>Jamal murray
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 27 September 2020 17:48 (three years ago) link
The nuggets fell behind against the Jazz 2-1 without Barton or harris and then Gary came back and they were the third or fourth best team in the playoffs. They deserve credit for that, and there’s lots of reason to believe they can improve a bunch when they replace the corpse of Millsap and MPJ doesn’t try to go coast to coast off every rebound
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 27 September 2020 17:49 (three years ago) link
fans of teams always assume they will improve "a bunch" from one year to the next. i think it's just as reasonable to point to the vast swaths of NBA history where teams had non-linear and quite tumultuous journeys to success and argue that the team that lost more games than it won in the playoffs and had a negative point differential may still encounter a series of tribulations over the next few seasons before ascending to the top of the mountain.
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 27 September 2020 17:54 (three years ago) link
the book on jamal murray was that he was a really talented scorer whose play could ping wildly between peaks and valleys depending on the night. perhaps coincidentally, perhaps not, he managed to play a consistent string of basketball in the year where there was no travel, no road games, and no fans.
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 27 September 2020 17:57 (three years ago) link
Jord they were a top 3 seed in the west for two straight years and made the conference finals
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 27 September 2020 18:03 (three years ago) link
They also have a massive home court advantage which they couldn’t utilize at all
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 27 September 2020 18:04 (three years ago) link
This is gonna be like the 2011 nba draft isn’t it
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 27 September 2020 18:05 (three years ago) link
jokic had great playoffs last two years too proving their best guy can "step up when it matters the most (in the playoffs)"
― lag∞n, Sunday, 27 September 2020 18:07 (three years ago) link
having said that yeah the climb to the top of the mountain (mount nba) is fraught and can be derailed by all sorts of things, but id def put the nugs amongst the teams that are best positioned 4 success
― lag∞n, Sunday, 27 September 2020 18:09 (three years ago) link
oh i think the nuggets will continue to be a very good regular season team. they're very young and have one of the best regular season home court advantages in the league. i don't think their seed is going to fall. but when it comes to playoff basketball (the real kind) i still put them behind the LA teams and the warriors, in a group w/ dallas and utah. i would prob but houston a tier below that and then everyone else behind them.
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 27 September 2020 18:10 (three years ago) link
if the nuggets can get the 2 seed next year they'll be well positioned, bcuz just outlining it like that it feels like there's a real drop off after the top 6. i would favor denver w/ home court over houston and any of those other teams. but the second round is going to be fraught for them next year no matter where they're seeded.
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 27 September 2020 18:11 (three years ago) link
either of the LA teams cld easily implode imo theyre good but not dominant, i dont think the warriors will implode but they cld just not be as good anymore
― lag∞n, Sunday, 27 September 2020 18:13 (three years ago) link
clippers shd try to trade playoff p for playoff embiid
― lag∞n, Sunday, 27 September 2020 18:14 (three years ago) link
warriors shd try and trade the #2 pick + wiggins for... someone
― lag∞n, Sunday, 27 September 2020 18:15 (three years ago) link
one thing occurs to me the lakers havent played a super active athletic team yet in the playoffs but both teams in the east are that, that one regular season game the celtics just overwhelmed them with that
― lag∞n, Sunday, 27 September 2020 18:21 (three years ago) link
Happy with the trade nowMinnesota Timberwolves guard Malik Beasley was arrested Saturday and is being held without bail on felony weapons and drug charges in Minneapolis, according to police records.Beasley, who averaged 20.7 points in 14 games with the Timberwolves after being traded by the Denver Nuggets, is charged with felony controlled substance/narcotics and felony receiving/concealing stolen property, according to Hennepin County Jail records.Beasley, 23, was arrested after brandishing a gun at someone who then called police, according to sources. After obtaining a search warrant, officers found marijuana and guns in his home in Plymouth, Minnesota, the sources told ESPN.
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 27 September 2020 18:21 (three years ago) link
davis particularly prefers to play a more deliberate style and can get flustered when teams speed up and swarm, its also the style of play that could make bron show his age or at least just work more than he would like
― lag∞n, Sunday, 27 September 2020 18:23 (three years ago) link
yeah vs the heat lebron could play a free safety style defense. butler isn’t dominant enough offensively to demand bron’s full attention and the rest of the heat’s offense comes thru the guards or bam. but against boston they will need him on tatum and brown.
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 27 September 2020 18:26 (three years ago) link
Sounds like grant wants to stay with Nuggets and hey why not
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 27 September 2020 19:03 (three years ago) link
matt, just remember that we're talking about a Minnesota police department who swear they 'found' this stuff.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Sunday, 27 September 2020 19:11 (three years ago) link
Considering that last off-season Beasley got in a fistfight in an apartment complex lobby I’m gonna say the nuggets made the right call here
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 27 September 2020 19:15 (three years ago) link
guys do we think the crowd-noise person has “beat LA” cued up tonight if the heat are running away with it in the 4th?
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 27 September 2020 19:43 (three years ago) link
lol yeah def should, too bad we will never know tho...
― lag∞n, Sunday, 27 September 2020 19:44 (three years ago) link
the murray-harris-mpj-grant-jokic 5 is fucking good at everything imo
― methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Sunday, 27 September 2020 19:46 (three years ago) link
except defense
― Spottie, Sunday, 27 September 2020 20:31 (three years ago) link
if you swapped out mpj u cld have a good defensive unit there
― lag∞n, Sunday, 27 September 2020 20:35 (three years ago) link
I don’t think he’s saying that all those players are good R everything
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 27 September 2020 21:11 (three years ago) link
I get what he means, it’s a nice balance of skills.
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 27 September 2020 21:22 (three years ago) link
yes, they complement each other
― methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Sunday, 27 September 2020 21:24 (three years ago) link
fair
― Spottie, Sunday, 27 September 2020 21:34 (three years ago) link
i think theyre the kind of team that will attract the solid vets that want to get them over the hump.
― Spottie, Sunday, 27 September 2020 21:41 (three years ago) link
Lakers are getting timely 3 pt shooting -- I thought it was the bubble but their percentages (around 35%) and attempts (around 32 per game) are similar to the regular season. Guess I'm not used to KCP and Rondo hitting 3s.
― that's not my post, Sunday, 27 September 2020 22:16 (three years ago) link
lakers twitter is mad at danny green but...hes been fine in the playoffs. actually better than last year's playoffs with the raps.
― methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Sunday, 27 September 2020 22:23 (three years ago) link
he had some sick ass blocks last night
― Nhex, Sunday, 27 September 2020 22:24 (three years ago) link
New for @TheAthleticNBA : History says the Nuggets won't have an easy time getting back to WCF. A look at a complicated offseason and the choices ahead: https://t.co/t9i1F37AzQ— John Hollinger (@johnhollinger) September 27, 2020
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 27 September 2020 22:33 (three years ago) link
danny green and kcp both have value outside of shooting. playoff rondo is just a strange phenomenon
― Spottie, Sunday, 27 September 2020 22:51 (three years ago) link
isnt danny green leading these playoffs in offensive rating or something
― micah, Sunday, 27 September 2020 23:38 (three years ago) link