love embiid and harden together as a start to getting all the guys who are visibly fatigued every time they're in an important game tall on one team.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, October 15, 2020 2:47 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
I want no part of Westbrook, but this is lol.
― Quiet Storm Thorgerson (PBKR), Thursday, 15 October 2020 21:32 (three years ago) link
yeah i am very ready to watch those two despise one another
― Clay, Thursday, 15 October 2020 21:36 (three years ago) link
if the rockets got embiid they could switch to a slow pace pretty easily... harden is not a fast paced player. it would be more about deciding which one of them got to hold the ball in the halfcourt for 8 seconds straight.
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 15 October 2020 21:54 (three years ago) link
harden embiid pick n roll wld be unstoppable
― lag∞n, Thursday, 15 October 2020 21:56 (three years ago) link
embiid would have more open threes fromthe top of the key than he could even dream of
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 15 October 2020 21:58 (three years ago) link
Is Embiid actually a good pick and roll player?
― Quiet Storm Thorgerson (PBKR), Thursday, 15 October 2020 23:57 (three years ago) link
i don't see why not
― ciderpress, Thursday, 15 October 2020 23:58 (three years ago) link
imo itd be worth putting him on a team with playmakers and shooters to find out
― lag∞n, Thursday, 15 October 2020 23:59 (three years ago) link
apparently this guy is some kind of wolves insider
https://i.postimg.cc/wjmCVSN2/eyk58v2m95t51.jpg
― micah, Friday, 16 October 2020 00:10 (three years ago) link
he's the wolf in the logo
― ciderpress, Friday, 16 October 2020 00:15 (three years ago) link
sadly james harden got a pick and roll lobotomy 2 years ago
― J0rdan S., Friday, 16 October 2020 00:18 (three years ago) link
sorry he is a hawks insider actually
― micah, Friday, 16 October 2020 00:37 (three years ago) link
I don't think even there's 2 teams seriously fiending for the #1 pick in the worst draft in almost a decade, let alone almost half the league. Paying Anthony Edwards or LaMelo Ball a #1 pick's salary after Corona kills the live gate and salary cap #s for the next ~2 years is something no sane GM is interested in; it's why Minny is so desperate to flip this pick in the first place lol. Doubt a 1 year rental of Oladipo coming off of injury is the most highly coveted prize in the trade market either.
― Sabre of Paradise (trevor phillips), Friday, 16 October 2020 00:47 (three years ago) link
they're not going to get anything in a trade that would be better than them actually identifying 1 good player in this draft and developing him
but obviously they're trying to flip the pick because they think they have a big 2 and want to win now. even if it was a good draft they'd be trying to flip it -- in that case they might actually be successful
― J0rdan S., Friday, 16 October 2020 00:57 (three years ago) link
the top of this draft just doesn't match up at all w/their roster after they made what seems to be a sincere trade for russell, like there are a bunch of teams would could have picked 1 who would just take lamelo and pray to the gods that he doesn't suck.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 16 October 2020 00:59 (three years ago) link
if i were them i'd be trying to move down a few picks w/o asking a king's ransom as if there is actually a desirable no 1 pick on the board. but they're doubly handcuffed bcuz the no 1 talents are either bigs or guards and the way their team is constructed no big or guard is going to get the ball enough to develop the way you want a no 1 pick to develop. but if they could trade down a few spots, get a heavily protected pick in a later draft, and draft a player who could more easily develop in a secondary role it wouldn't be the worst idea
― J0rdan S., Friday, 16 October 2020 01:05 (three years ago) link
cad otm
they're going to end up taking edwards who is the guy i would be really scared about picking no 1
― J0rdan S., Friday, 16 October 2020 01:06 (three years ago) link
Yea it's quintessential Timberwolves for them to finally win the lottery... in a draft with no generational/superstar talent, and no consensus top player that even really fits particularly well on their roster next to their 2 centerpiece players either. A D'Lo + Melo Ball/Edwards backcourt would be wildly entertaining for probably all the wrong reasons lol. And a big man like Wiseman who's only NBA caliber skill right now is basically being tall and athletic/fast in the open court is not what I'd be looking for to put next to KAT in the frontcourt if I was trying to buck trends and make the league's newest Twin Towers.
― Sabre of Paradise (trevor phillips), Friday, 16 October 2020 01:07 (three years ago) link
J0rdan S. at 7:57 15 Oct 20they're not going to get anything in a trade that would be better than them actually identifying 1 good player in this draft and developing him
definitely traditional strengths of our franchise
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 16 October 2020 01:13 (three years ago) link
KAT has to learn how to play center, there's no other option. you don't win nba titles in the 2020s w/ two centers on the floor
― J0rdan S., Friday, 16 October 2020 01:14 (three years ago) link
the draft order is absolutely amazing this year....the cavs, pistons, and knicks are probably 3 of the 4 most talent-poor teams no matter how you slice it and they're picking between 5 and 8.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 16 October 2020 01:18 (three years ago) link
lamelo ball is french for "the mellow ball"
― ciderpress, Friday, 16 October 2020 01:19 (three years ago) link
the east gets easter
― ciderpress, Friday, 16 October 2020 01:20 (three years ago) link
I don't think even there's 2 teams seriously fiending for the #1 pick in the worst draft in almost a decade
the problem w this draft class isnt lack of talent. its deep with good role players, but theres no point to having a top pick in that case bc its light on potential superstars. it makes more sense to trade down and try to get a 2021 pick.
― cointelamateur (m bison), Friday, 16 October 2020 03:22 (three years ago) link
i do not understand the draft hype for lamelo at all. he looks to be a less defensively minded version of his brother. i kinda cant believe he's considered a consensus top 3 pick.
― cointelamateur (m bison), Friday, 16 October 2020 03:23 (three years ago) link
the only guy who i think could be something crazy is aleksey pokusevski but man he's a project. probably needs 2 years just to get stronger.
― cointelamateur (m bison), Friday, 16 October 2020 03:25 (three years ago) link
who are the teams that are thinking 'yes we really want lamelo ball'
― ciderpress, Friday, 16 October 2020 03:26 (three years ago) link
i agree i t makes no sense
ONLY way he turns out decent is going to a disciplined development factory like miami and sa and he doesnt pass the vibe check
― cointelamateur (m bison), Friday, 16 October 2020 03:31 (three years ago) link
i dont know why wiseman is falling, he seems to be a pretty safe pick. i mean i get why minny would prefer a non-C, but if the warriors keep their pick, they could do worse than have a capable interior defender and lob recipient
― cointelamateur (m bison), Friday, 16 October 2020 03:32 (three years ago) link
― cointelamateur (m bison), Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:23 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
hes got better feel for the game than lonzo who already has pretty good feel, if he could shoot theyd be talking about him as a future superstar... alas lol
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 October 2020 13:27 (three years ago) link
his shot might be more fixable than lonzos tho...
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 October 2020 13:48 (three years ago) link
shd say hes got better feel AND skills than lonzo, lamelo is a scorer and a very good passer, hes a baller
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 October 2020 13:51 (three years ago) link
lonzo is not good at putting the ball through the basketball ring
playing w the hungry jacks down under
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdN6R1t7lOc
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 October 2020 13:53 (three years ago) link
i see it much more with melo than i did with lonzo where it seemed like people were talking themselves into some sort of intangible point guard magic. would be pretty scared to actually take him tho.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 16 October 2020 14:37 (three years ago) link
cld def end up some sort of flashier michael cater williams but its a bad draft whatre you gonna do
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 October 2020 14:38 (three years ago) link
the best player will prob end up some tall serbian taken 22nd
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 October 2020 14:39 (three years ago) link
i would simply take the tall serbian earlier
― ciderpress, Friday, 16 October 2020 14:43 (three years ago) link
yeah with the lack of a season's worth of film on a lot of these guys i think the actual draft order will look very crazy 4-5 years from now
― call all destroyer, Friday, 16 October 2020 14:44 (three years ago) link
draft strat1. identify the tall serbian2. draft him
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 October 2020 14:44 (three years ago) link
LaMelo is nowhere near the prospect Lonzo was. Melo is slightly better at ball handling and attacking/finishing around the rim than Zo... but his glaring athletic deficiencies compared to his brother and his skinnier and somehow even more undeveloped frame completely cancels those positives out when projecting those skills vs. NBA competition. His pure court vision is debatably better (I'd say he's a flashier, not more or less gifted passer than his brother) ... but even if it is, it's a moot point overall because his ability to run an actual professional team's offense is lightyears behind Zo's. Zo went #2 overall in an extremely stacked draft class because he almost singlehandedly turned UCLA from a scrap heap into an NCAA title contender overnight while making scrubs like TJ Leaf look like NBA 1st round picks in the process. And of course there's the fact that he's a ~30% shooter vs NBL defenses... while playing not a single lick of effective defense himself. When his brother shot 55/40 in spite of his weird mechanics and was/is well regarded for his on-ball defense. His shot isn't QUITE as mechanically borked as Zo's was coming into the league... but in practice it's somehow even more inaccurate.
Melo theoretically has the "highest ceiling" in a draft as weak on surefire star talent as this if everything in his development goes perfectly... but the only way he comes anywhere close to that wishfully ideal outcome is if you can guarantee as a franchise that you can completely overhaul his body, his jumpshot mechanics, his decision making and attitude on offense, and his motivation, effort, awareness, IQ... basically everything on defense, on top of all that. There's 10 guys every year that are "A jumpshot away from being a SUPERSTAR!!" like Ben Simmons or a body or mindset transformation from "taking over the league" like Wiggins that go their entire careers without ever making those changes or fixing those weaknesses. Whoever drafts Melo has to fix not one but like 5 of those kind of glaring career make-or-break issues to justify taking him at the spot he's going to come off the board, and the likelihood of any of the teams in the position to draft that high doing so are almost zero.
― Sabre of Paradise (trevor phillips), Friday, 16 October 2020 14:58 (three years ago) link
kevin o'connor's top 50 has 1 tall serbian but he is 7 feet tall and weighs 201 pounds so a slight gust of wind will be taking him down.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 16 October 2020 14:59 (three years ago) link
lonzo never shouldve gone second, draft guys got it wrong, much like the side of his head he shoots from
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 October 2020 15:01 (three years ago) link
otm
― call all destroyer, Friday, 16 October 2020 15:03 (three years ago) link
his decision making and attitude on offense, and his motivation, effort, awareness, IQ... basically everything on defense, on top of all that. There's 10 guys every year that are "A jumpshot away from being a SUPERSTAR!!" like Ben Simmons or a body or mindset transformation from "taking over the league" like Wiggins that go their entire careers without ever making those changes or fixing those weaknesses. Whoever drafts Melo has to fix not one but like 5 of those kind of glaring career make-or-break issues to justify taking him at the spot he's going to come off the board, and the likelihood of any of the teams in the position to draft that high doing so are almost zero.
― Sabre of Paradise (trevor phillips), Friday, October 16, 2020 10:58 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
wow calm down trevor
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 October 2020 15:03 (three years ago) link
also maybe watch some lemelo you might be surprised by what you find
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 October 2020 15:04 (three years ago) link
i mean he obvs has basketball IQ and awareness, idk about some of the rest as i do not have the ability to gaze into his soul like some
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 October 2020 15:05 (three years ago) link
trevor flame throwing
― Spottie, Friday, 16 October 2020 16:10 (three years ago) link
I respect any and all hate for the Ball clan.
― Quiet Storm Thorgerson (PBKR), Friday, 16 October 2020 16:21 (three years ago) link