im gonna come up with one that averages them all called DUMBSMART WARWINS
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 18:36 (three years ago) link
naw they're ok, all have their limitations of course especially the defensive ones early in the season, but taken as a whole they obv make pretty good picks
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 24 February 2021 18:38 (three years ago) link
does anyone think mike conley is the second best guard in the west DOES ANYONE THINK MIKE CONLEY IS THE SECOND BEST GUARD IN THE WEST
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 18:38 (three years ago) link
https://64.media.tumblr.com/5a08b447e5c0145215caecb5da2df629/tumblr_ohzfb3x2kx1v4a8wfo2_1280.png
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 18:40 (three years ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, February 24, 2021 1:38 PM (six minutes ago)
yeah conley is the big outlier and there are some misconceptions about his value even from ppl who should know better. he's definitely having a very nice season and is a good player but a lot of his value in the all-in-one stats is driven by on-off defensive numbers, which should ALWAYS be looked at skeptically in small samples, especially if you play almost all your minutes with the best defensive player in the league
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:02 (three years ago) link
they literally match his minutes with gobert, it's so silly
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:05 (three years ago) link
xp but idk it's hard to look at that chart and think the big stats are really missing the mark in a systematic way. to me conceptually at least adjusted plus-minus numbers are exactly the kind of stat you want to be using to determine value, but you have to understand that they can be noisy in small samples and use your judgment when interpreting them
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:06 (three years ago) link
you like them because you like thinking about stats not because they are good at what theyre trying to do, which they clearly are not
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:13 (three years ago) link
anyone who understands basketball could put together a team that absolutely smokes the team put together by any catch all stat
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:15 (three years ago) link
Facu is averaging 2.2 deflections per game in 15mpg which is a crazy number. Simmons leads the league at 3.9 per game.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, February 24, 2021 12:59 PM (one hour ago)
the other thing I'd say is that while I don't mind facu in a vacuum it's painful to think about the net changes to the nuggs roster this offseason, like while he's a nice 9th piece or so watching grant and plumlee playing well sucks when guys like that are obviously exactly what we need
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:15 (three years ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, February 24, 2021 2:15 PM (six seconds ago)
revolution is a process my friend
theyve only been working on this stuff for what 20 years
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:17 (three years ago) link
the adjusted on-off stuff is still pretty new and working out the kinks and so forth, anyway it's just a bit of fun let's be cool
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:18 (three years ago) link
theyre dumb im sorry they obfuscate where they should clarify
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:21 (three years ago) link
people who work on this stuff should work on more useful and interesting stats instead which is to say more granular stats
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:23 (three years ago) link
Facu is averaging 2.2 deflections per game in 15mpg which is a crazy number. Simmons leads the league at 3.9 per game.― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, February 24, 2021 12:59 PM (one hour ago) the other thing I'd say is that while I don't mind facu in a vacuum it's painful to think about the net changes to the nuggs roster this offseason, like while he's a nice 9th piece or so watching grant and plumlee playing well sucks when guys like that are obviously exactly what we need
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:29 (three years ago) link
Grant is shooting 44/37 and yeah it’s great that he’s doing that on high volume but he’s not really a great defender and he can’t rebound. Like he’s the same guy
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:30 (three years ago) link
Going from grant to green to me is a wash, but Plumlee to Hartenstein has been really bad. Hartenstein is barely playable.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:31 (three years ago) link
Jokic is top 8 in deflections btw. It’s him and 7 all-world defenders
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:35 (three years ago) link
the game is moving slow for big honey
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:38 (three years ago) link
from grant to green, from wes to montgomery
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:58 (three years ago) link
nice
― i was too much listening to your accent (Spottie), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 21:00 (three years ago) link
salute
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 21:01 (three years ago) link
big honey big angry
“Why are you laughing at me? Why are you laughing at me? Why the f*** are you laughing at me?” pic.twitter.com/fNZYyBmO1g— Adam Mares (@Adam_Mares) February 24, 2021
― i was too much listening to your accent (Spottie), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 22:15 (three years ago) link
they literally match {conley's} minutes with gobert, it's so silly
i dunno. they seem to be winning enough games that way.
― Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 22:19 (three years ago) link
i meant re: making grand statements about mike conley's value
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 23:27 (three years ago) link
hard to assess when they might be codependent
― micah, Thursday, 25 February 2021 01:36 (three years ago) link
interestingly sabonis is the first player ever to average 25/10/5 and not be an all star
― micah, Thursday, 25 February 2021 01:37 (three years ago) link
Gallo cooking the Celtics pic.twitter.com/4NeyQxP78t— jason c. (@netw3rk) February 25, 2021
― k3vin k., Thursday, 25 February 2021 01:38 (three years ago) link
Zion is so good at driving into the paint and getting a layup off a spin move, it’s insane
― circles, Thursday, 25 February 2021 02:52 (three years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 25 February 2021 03:06 (three years ago) link
bc randle i think
― class project pat (m bison), Thursday, 25 February 2021 03:12 (three years ago) link
some sentiment out there that the coaches would reward a guy doing well under thibs
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 25 February 2021 03:15 (three years ago) link
coaches like it when a guy gets coached up perhaps
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 February 2021 03:43 (three years ago) link
sabonis is closer to 21/11/5 ftr. probably deserves it over vooch but everybody scores a lot now
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, 25 February 2021 04:57 (three years ago) link
like all of this season's "snubs" have better stats than all the other snubs this century
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, 25 February 2021 04:58 (three years ago) link
The game has sped up and more players deliver a higher level of skill because of better training and more competition. The stats follow this trend, too.
― Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Thursday, 25 February 2021 05:02 (three years ago) link
also it's a pandemic with no homecourt and no one is playing defense
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 25 February 2021 05:03 (three years ago) link
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym),
oops, meant to say that hes the first 20-10-5 to miss the asg.
― micah, Thursday, 25 February 2021 05:33 (three years ago) link
trae young is at 27/4/9.5 and missed it...bad fg pct, but any other year a player who put that up would be in
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, 25 February 2021 05:42 (three years ago) link
i think the problem w trae is what if hes a lil weiner and also hes maybe the worst defender in the league
― class project pat (m bison), Thursday, 25 February 2021 12:53 (three years ago) link
He’s actually improved a lot on D this year! Still not amazing bc yes he’s also a lil wiener
― Heez, Thursday, 25 February 2021 14:13 (three years ago) link
hes a genuinely awful defender obviously dealing with some major physical limitations but also the effort is very poor
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 February 2021 14:22 (three years ago) link
which i mean he carries a big offensive load so maybe its just not worth it
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 February 2021 14:32 (three years ago) link
he will prob get up to passable/nobody quite cares anymore like dame, steph, harden etc
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 25 February 2021 15:25 (three years ago) link
his bigger issue is that his teammates don’t seem to love him based on things that have leaked out which you’d never say about steph and dame
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 25 February 2021 15:26 (three years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Thursday, February 25, 2021 10:25 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink
idk hes so small its gonna be tough
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 February 2021 15:29 (three years ago) link
steph is a good/solid defender now btw.
― i was too much listening to your accent (Spottie), Thursday, 25 February 2021 15:55 (three years ago) link
i guess the league just hates him now huh?
Last year, Trae Young was an All-Star starter with 2,829,969 fan votes (most among East guards) and 65 player votes (3rd among East guards).This year, he got just 991,857 fan votes (6th among East guards) and 20 player votes (11th among East guards). 👀 https://t.co/LorbANwW2H— Alex Kennedy (@AlexKennedyNBA) February 24, 2021
― i was too much listening to your accent (Spottie), Thursday, 25 February 2021 15:57 (three years ago) link
lol maybe its possible to shame players into not foul grubbing
― lag∞n, Thursday, 25 February 2021 15:58 (three years ago) link