also i dont think i ever heard him talk about AI on twitter need to know more about what hes gotten up to, cuban is the perfect mark for someone just saying the words artificial intelligence to him
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 June 2021 17:19 (three years ago) link
even thought you know you shouldnt it would be just irresistible to pitch AI to him then hire some programmers like please AI basketball now
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 June 2021 17:20 (three years ago) link
mavs mustve already had a big data guy
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 June 2021 17:21 (three years ago) link
feel like this story is good gossip about ppl disliking haralabob that is straining to be something more. they write that he has “near total control over the roster” but also that donnie nelson “spearheaded” every major move the mavs have made, it doesn’t seem like the writers really understand how much power he has. working with an obscenely rich gambler guy who he thinks he could be better than any GM in the NBA sounds awful tho
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 June 2021 17:36 (three years ago) link
this is amazing lol
― Spottie, Monday, 14 June 2021 17:37 (three years ago) link
yeah, much of what made bob entertaining when he would go on pods was his complete confidence in his opinions and complete disdain for anything he thought was dumb. not nearly as fun when you have to work with someone like that.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 14 June 2021 17:41 (three years ago) link
the mavs had bad seeding luck this year, ended up taking one of the best teams in the NBA down to the final quarter of a 7 game series, and now everyone is losing their minds
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 June 2021 17:43 (three years ago) link
jordan otm
― k3vin k., Monday, 14 June 2021 18:05 (three years ago) link
the only notable thing in there to me is that doncic doesn’t like voulgaris. the rest of the stuff — bob’s influence in the front office in particular and his butting heads with colleagues, seems run of the mill for an NBA franchise
― k3vin k., Monday, June 14, 2021 1:56 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
i mean it's pretty funny that a famous sports gambler and twitter personality is now one of the three most powerful people in an nba front office, i guess it depends on your definition of "notable"
― call all destroyer, Monday, 14 June 2021 18:08 (three years ago) link
the stuff about his belief he can do it better than anyone else is hilarious. also his pairing w cuban.
the mavs lost two years straight in the first round the specifics dont matter imo. their roster is in a worse place it was cos now they have to pay luka a ton more, and he doesnt like very high up in the org, and didnt like the coach (maybe still doesnt?) and doesnt like his untradable sidekick.
― Spottie, Monday, 14 June 2021 18:12 (three years ago) link
didn’t we know bob was pretty influential in the front office already? I had assumed he had a hand in all the moves. front office personnel directing rotations and such is pretty standard to afaia, and I’m sure the article overstates the extent to which it’s true
― k3vin k., Monday, 14 June 2021 18:31 (three years ago) link
also they cite his influence in acquiring seth curry but not in trading him for josh richardson despite the allegation that he has "near total control" of the franchise
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 June 2021 18:34 (three years ago) link
curry and wright are long gone. did he change his mind on them?
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 14 June 2021 18:39 (three years ago) link
― Spottie, Monday, June 14, 2021 2:12 PM (twenty-one minutes ago)
i do think the specifics matter. if the issue is simply them losing in the first round in back to back years it needs to be acknowledged who they played in those years, that's important context. if they had drawn the nuggets and won and then taken the suns to 6 games would the level of hysteria be the same? if the issue is that the mavs haven't won the western conference in the last 2 years then the specifics matter less bcuz then you need to beat the clippers one way or another, but that doesn't seem to be the issue here. we know that the mavs aren't better than the clippers but i'm not sure how that's some huge indictment on them given the respective contention timelines of those two franchises
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 June 2021 18:40 (three years ago) link
mavs need to find a path to further improvement for next year but i don't think 14th -> 7th -> 5th is behind schedule thus far
― ciderpress, Monday, 14 June 2021 18:50 (three years ago) link
right, exactly
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 June 2021 18:52 (three years ago) link
pels will have more to answer for if they don't make a leap next year
― ciderpress, Monday, 14 June 2021 18:58 (three years ago) link
didn’t we know bob was pretty influential in the front office already? I had assumed he had a hand in all the moves.
i had not really assumed this!
― call all destroyer, Monday, 14 June 2021 19:03 (three years ago) link
i had not assumed, for example, that he had power to make draft picks over the objections of the scouting dept.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 14 June 2021 19:05 (three years ago) link
noted haralabos voulgaris reply guy kevin keller here to assure us this is all no big deal and not a hilarious tale of hubris
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 June 2021 19:12 (three years ago) link
he thought he was better than every gm and now that he got a shot the franchise player cant stand to see him move his hand LMAO
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 June 2021 19:26 (three years ago) link
hes telling rick carlisle what to do, rick carlisle!
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 June 2021 19:27 (three years ago) link
hes convinced noted billionaire dipshit mark cuban that hes using artificial intelligence to solve basketball problems
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 June 2021 19:28 (three years ago) link
LOL
I'm not a gambler at all, but I don't see the skills making you a good GM (talent evaluation, salary cap, player analytics, roster fit) necessarily are the same as those analyzing whether team x will beat team y in a given game by z points.
― Vin Jawn (PBKR), Monday, 14 June 2021 19:36 (three years ago) link
idk maybe they are
also... people skills lol
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 June 2021 19:37 (three years ago) link
I hear that's important.
― Vin Jawn (PBKR), Monday, 14 June 2021 19:38 (three years ago) link
one thing we know about cuban is that he's very very bad at the "human" part of running a franchise so that he would hire and empower someone who treats his coworkers poorly can't be considered surprising in any way shape or form. i liked this thing hollinger wrote on the athletic recently about GMing:
Running a team also is about keeping 20 different balls in the air at the same time — keeping tabs on your own team, yes, but also watching 29 other NBA teams, talking to their front offices and understanding their cap situations, scouting college players, keeping tabs on the G League, trying to work in some overseas trips to see talent, yammering on the phone with the owner, dealing with agents and hiring staff for positions you barely knew existed (What do you mean the team chef took another job? How do I get a new one?)
a guy like haralabob -- or sam hinkie -- thinks that GMing is just using computers to identify market inefficiencies in player acquisition but that's actually a fairly small part of the job
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 June 2021 19:43 (three years ago) link
in fairness to bob i do think he has some pretty good ideas about basketball and i think his analytics work was more wide-ranging than one might think. i did not object at all to the mavs bringing him on to be a key analytics guy but giving him any power over decisionmaking is....dumb.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 14 June 2021 19:45 (three years ago) link
analytics guys belong in the basement
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 June 2021 19:47 (three years ago) link
all that said for what amounts to a hit piece on haralabob for having "near total control" of the franchise there aren't moves attributed to him in the article that turned out to be bad, except the acquisition of delon wright? josh green and tyrell terry were reasonable picks based on where ppl had them ranked pre-draft
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 June 2021 19:48 (three years ago) link
are they... good?
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 June 2021 19:48 (three years ago) link
they have had a lot of good process bad outcome moves
― call all destroyer, Monday, 14 June 2021 19:50 (three years ago) link
green and terry were both rated as mid-round picks, terry they got in the second round. the mavs backcourt was pretty crowded so it's not crazy that neither of them played that much. saadiq bey could've helped them but not hitting on the no 18 pick is pretty mild on the list of NBA front office sins
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 June 2021 19:54 (three years ago) link
the article completely eliding the decision making process that led to seth curry for josh richardson is a red flag to me
luka seems like a diva btw, not that it should be unexpected given how good he is/has been at such a young age. but he gets mad at rick carlisle for his use of timeouts and for calling plays?
regardless pissing off the franchise player when you are a nerd suit is an oops
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 June 2021 19:57 (three years ago) link
thinking that someone who is their own boss in a situation thats 100% one channel results driven can just fit into a big role in a high pressure corporate org w lots of big personalities is a poor assumption
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 June 2021 20:01 (three years ago) link
cuban prob appreciated him for "telling it like it is" but that sort of bluntness and arrogance is prob not going to play that well for a bigger audience
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 June 2021 20:02 (three years ago) link
i def would ask for haralabob to not interact w/ my players ever otoh luka seems to make a lot of enemies
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 June 2021 20:03 (three years ago) link
luka is just engaging in dark musings
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 June 2021 20:07 (three years ago) link
also hard not to read this article as reflecting general mavs front office dysfunction, paranoia, and failure
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 June 2021 20:08 (three years ago) link
luka is 1000% a diva but he's good enough that he's allowed to be
― call all destroyer, Monday, 14 June 2021 20:08 (three years ago) link
also maybe the people he hates suck, something to consider
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 June 2021 20:10 (three years ago) link
i mean just as long as he doesnt start gming like lebron its probably manageable
wait what did you guys think haralabob was doing? film room assistant?
― k3vin k., Monday, 14 June 2021 20:39 (three years ago) link
i did not think about it at all
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 June 2021 20:40 (three years ago) link
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