had a -56 earlier this year too!
― brony james (k3vin k.), Saturday, 30 March 2024 11:06 (two months ago) link
Reboot the Scoot
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 30 March 2024 15:52 (two months ago) link
Most FGA with 0-4 seconds remaining on shot clock:1. Jokic: 162 FGA—49.1 EFG%2. Brunson: 134—44.4%3. Kawhi: 131—52.3%3. Edwards: 131—43.1%5. Tatum: 127—43.3%6. Fox: 121—36.4%7. Paolo: 120—35.4%8. Hart: 117—36.3%9. DeRozan: 116—40.1%9. Kuz: 116—37.9%9. Maxey: 116—34.5% pic.twitter.com/5Vs5QPxiYC— NBA University (@NBA_University) March 30, 2024
this is interesting, I wonder how jokic’s number of attempts compare to previous years
― brony james (k3vin k.), Saturday, 30 March 2024 16:20 (two months ago) link
poor josh hart
― lag∞n, Saturday, 30 March 2024 16:28 (two months ago) link
nikola jesus has risen: 26-18-16
― brony james (k3vin k.), Sunday, 31 March 2024 21:59 (two months ago) link
Dray 20-6-11-6-1
― I Chet the Holmgren (Spottie), Monday, 1 April 2024 04:31 (two months ago) link
The best offenses in NBA history, relative to league average:1. ‘04 Mavs: +9.22. ‘05 Suns: +8.43. ‘16 Warriors: +8.14. ‘24 CELTICS: +7.85. ‘97 Bulls: +7.76. ‘02 Mavs: +7.77. ‘10 Suns: +7.78. ‘98 Jazz: +7.69. ‘96 Bulls: +7.5First new addition to the t20 since ‘17 Dubs!— ʜᴠ (@hoopvenue_) April 1, 2024
― lag∞n, Monday, 1 April 2024 15:25 (two months ago) link
Nash was on 4 of those teams.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Monday, 1 April 2024 16:33 (two months ago) link
nash sowing on offense: Haha fuck yeah!!! Yes!!
nash reaping on defense: Well this fucking sucks. What the fuck.
― polyamerie "it's more than this 1 thing" (m bison), Monday, 1 April 2024 16:34 (two months ago) link
too soon
― symsymsym, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 03:55 (two months ago) link
Every team's performance in the halfcourt since the All-Star breakBest Net Ratings:1. Celtics – 13.22. Nuggets – 10.93. Magic – 9.24. Thunder – 8.75. Mavericks – 8.4 pic.twitter.com/v60tAlTV8a— Shane Young (@YoungNBA) April 3, 2024
― brony james (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 18:16 (two months ago) link
whats the magic doing in there
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 18:23 (two months ago) link
red flags for the knicks, cavs and clippers there esp bcuz the first two are attributable to injuries that don’t seem to be getting fixed
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 18:38 (two months ago) link
brunson has maybe the biggest scoring burden in the league right now among good teams. he’s the only person in their current line up who can generate a shot. ant is prob up there now too
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 18:40 (two months ago) link
I think they said during the game last night that the Sixers were top 5 in offense and defense when Embiid got hurt, and since then they were 29th in offense and somewhere near that on defense.
It's not just Embiid, because Maxey and Harris have been in and out (though with the latter it's hard to tell sometimes).
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 18:51 (two months ago) link
embiid obvs extremely good and is responsible for a big chunk of that on ability alone but also him and maxey are their only real creators so when you remove one its bad
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 19:15 (two months ago) link
Yeah, there has been some grim Sixers offense the last two months.
I have no idea what they will look like heading into the playoffs because Embiid was already out when they made their trades at the deadline. He hadn't played with any of them!
They needed shooting, so I get the Hield trade, but he doesn't seem like a winning player to me.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 19:29 (two months ago) link
is this good
https://i.imgur.com/sdupfwh.png
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 April 2024 18:08 (two months ago) link
no
― brony james (k3vin k.), Friday, 5 April 2024 18:29 (two months ago) link
lots of teams really trying to win still so these bottom feeders dont stand a chance
― I Chet the Holmgren (Spottie), Friday, 5 April 2024 18:50 (two months ago) link
hollinger points out in the article that graph is from that on any given night those eight teams are stinking up half the games, which isnt great, then goes for a true big think with this proposal for banishing them to their own kiddie league for the last 3rd of the season
Remember when the league invited only 22 teams to the NBA bubble in Orlando and effectively told the league’s worst eight teams that they didn’t need to be around to sully the product? It was beautiful; we had nothing but matchups between postseason-caliber teams.
I’m wondering if something like that could work even in a non-bubble. The league could tell teams like the Jazz, “Look, since you’re only interested in playing the first 50 games of the season each year anyway, have we got a deal for you.”
I’m not suggesting these eight teams be shut down, but I do wonder if there’s a way to relegate them to their own little playpen where they only face each other the final month of the season and don’t have to infect the nightly schedule with their awfulness. We don’t need these hopelessly non-competitive games when the bottom-eight clubs have no chance of winning unless they’re playing Milwaukee. (Sorry).
https://theathletic.com/5393160/2024/04/05/nba-standings-spurs-grizzlies-hornets-pistons/
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 April 2024 18:54 (two months ago) link
the logistics of that seem somewhat impossible but i do agree that 1/4 of the league morphing into the g league for the final few months is bad
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Friday, 5 April 2024 18:58 (two months ago) link
the combo of injuries + teams giving some guys rest before the playoffs + 1/4 of the teams not even having real NBA rotations out there is making for bizarre basketball atm
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Friday, 5 April 2024 18:59 (two months ago) link
yeah its an obvious not gonna happen but its a good and funny idea, oh youre a raptors fan enjoying playing the grizzlies five times in a row
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 April 2024 19:00 (two months ago) link
another thing adding to it is seems like teams dont care about home court in the playoffs as much as they used to, because it doesnt matter as much as it used to, okc is sitting their two best players with minor injuries for multiple games in the middle of a "battle" for first place in the west
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 April 2024 19:04 (two months ago) link
Add more teams to the play-in imo
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 5 April 2024 19:15 (two months ago) link
denver the only team that should really care about home court in the west cos its an actual tangible advantage
― I Chet the Holmgren (Spottie), Friday, 5 April 2024 19:15 (two months ago) link
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, April 5, 2024 3:15 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
its an interesting idea just add one more team in each conf and you could have another round
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 April 2024 19:20 (two months ago) link
how about an in season tournament for seeds 8-15 at the end of the season for the 8th seed.
― I Chet the Holmgren (Spottie), Friday, 5 April 2024 19:24 (two months ago) link
at that point youre basically half way to my idea of having the regular season champ being the nba champ and then having a separate "playoffs cup" with all the teams invited so you should just do that
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 April 2024 19:26 (two months ago) link
im in as long as the celtics arent in first place
― I Chet the Holmgren (Spottie), Friday, 5 April 2024 19:27 (two months ago) link
maybe under the new 58 game conferenceless system they wouldnt be plus the incentives for winning games would be more so idk (they would be still because they are the best)
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 April 2024 19:29 (two months ago) link
Here's what I'll put in my email to Adam Silver: Teams 9-12 in the conference standings play a one-game wildcard round, and two of them advance to the current play-in setup. Also, they can't be in last place in their division to qualify, just for fun. Also, maybe cut the season's length by a game or two to make the schedule work.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 5 April 2024 21:14 (two months ago) link
Also, the winner of the midseason tournament is prequalified for the play-in tourney!!
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 5 April 2024 21:16 (two months ago) link
this is lifted from some half-remembered proposal I saw the last time tanking was in the news, but I really don’t see any possible downside to this:- only the teams with the 14 worst records are lottery-eligible, as it is now- a team gets one “point” for each loss before the all star break (or the trade deadline, or game 50, etc), and then one “point” for each win after that. you add up total points and the team with the most gets the best lottery odds etc
would end tanking overnight, and incentivize winning every game for all 30 teams. would also remove the incentive to buy players out, which I agree w/hollinger is a stupid quirk
― brony james (k3vin k.), Friday, 5 April 2024 23:15 (two months ago) link
it would flatten out the lottery standings a lil bit but prob not the end of the world
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 April 2024 23:18 (two months ago) link
that’s fine, you could also just get rid of the lottery altogether at that point since there’s no perverse incentives any more
― brony james (k3vin k.), Saturday, 6 April 2024 00:01 (two months ago) link
The Gold Plan was an idea a hockey fan made up to eliminate tanking but I always thought it would work great for the NBA:
The premise is straightforward: rather than the league's worst teams entering a lottery each spring to determine the order of the upcoming draft, picks are doled out based on point accumulation starting when a team is mathematically eliminated from postseason contention. At the end of the regular season, the team with the most post-elimination points is awarded the first overall selection, followed by the team with the second-most, and so on.
https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2059085
― symsymsym, Saturday, 6 April 2024 04:26 (two months ago) link
That seems like it could promote tanking at the very beginning of the season? You might want to get eliminated asap to accumulate the maximum in post-elimination points.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 6 April 2024 04:50 (two months ago) link
sure, I’d love to see a team actually try that
― brony james (k3vin k.), Saturday, 6 April 2024 04:53 (two months ago) link
some teams already start the season tanking i.e. Sam Hinkie Sixers. This would at least provide the incentive to field a team capable of winning games
― symsymsym, Saturday, 6 April 2024 14:53 (two months ago) link
one problem with all these schemes is theres no reward for the players, you gotta give the players a taste to keep them engaged
― lag∞n, Saturday, 6 April 2024 16:49 (two months ago) link
tanking has no reward for players either
― symsymsym, Saturday, 6 April 2024 16:52 (two months ago) link
another problem is that bad teams just lose a lot in basketball - I don't know if the Pistons or Wiz are actively trying to tank this year, they're just bad
― symsymsym, Saturday, 6 April 2024 16:53 (two months ago) link
tanking has the reward of not having to try your hardest
― lag∞n, Saturday, 6 April 2024 16:59 (two months ago) link
the issue isn’t tanking in general as that has largely been rectified. the issue is that sports, in general, have been overtaken by the “asset” worldview. thus in the NBA there are going to be 5 or 6 teams every season — including unexpected ones like those final blazers dame years — who get to a point where they realize they can’t make the playoffs and then enter asset protection + cultivation mode, regardless of what the expense may be in terms of competitiveness, winning etc. teams didn’t think like this until the last decade or so — previous to that you put your guys out there and tried to win and then the season ended. in a larger sense it’s an issue of the self vs the group. by which i mean that the ppl who run the wizards, jazz, blazers, thunder etc would almost certainly agree that the kind of noncompetitive basketball we’re seeing now is bad for the league overall. but they’d also argue that it’s not bad for the teams individually, bcuz it is allowing them to do xyz things that they think are going benefit their franchise in the long termthe crux of the problem ultimately is that both sides of the argument have merit, but we are way too far down the rabbit hole to expect owners/GMs to prioritize their own teams less in favor of the greater good. so i think the league could enact measures like the one k3v mentioned that completely reorient the season around the idea of not tanking, but it feels like a hacker kinda thing where teams will always be two steps ahead in figuring out loopholes and circumnavigation. the issue is the mentality derived from hedge funds, moneyball that is pervasive across all leagues (and corporations and industries and…)
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 6 April 2024 17:15 (two months ago) link
i also think there is another pervasive issue that either stems from the NBA or is especially endemic to the NBA, and that’s the idea that any season that doesn’t end in a title is a failure, teams only exist to win rings, all legacies are defined by rings etc. and of course we want that & believe that to be true to a certain extent bcuz it’s fun and makes for operatic drama on the court but there is a balance between the pursuit of championships and existing for the sake of entertainment that i think the league is having a particularly hard time figuring out, but which is more of like a larger sociocultural issue regarding fans thinking like they’re GMs and not fans
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 6 April 2024 17:19 (two months ago) link
tanking has existed for a long time, the celtics tanked to get tim duncan and kevin durant (greg oden), the spurs to their credit tanked harder to get tim duncan, but its def more perfected these days, i think theres also a perception element where fans know whats up due to the massive amount of info available, where in years past youd crack open your local paper and its prob not telling you that tonights opponent has their starters out with fake injuries in order to get a slightly better slot in the draft
― lag∞n, Saturday, 6 April 2024 17:28 (two months ago) link
a larger sociocultural issue regarding fans thinking like they’re GMs and not fans
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Saturday, April 6, 2024 1:19 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
the prosumer era gotta love it lol, i think its kinda fine for basketball but where seams start showing is anything artistic like these youtube videos that explain why movies are good due to following the rules of structure, you see the effects with people demanding that a tv show have "stakes", this is not actually how to enjoy watching things its just pretending youre an insider who knows whats up, its funny too cause amongst informed fans formula used to be considered a bad thing but todays experts get mad if you dont give it to them they say youre doing it wrong
― lag∞n, Saturday, 6 April 2024 17:36 (two months ago) link
there is a basic structural aspect of how we talk about sports now where the needs/desires of the franchise are at odds w/ the needs/desires of the fans and commentators are not able to relieve this tension i.e. how all discussion about the t wolves this year is a tug of war between the worldview of the fan (we haven’t been good in 20 years and now we’re awesome!) and the worldview of the front office (when do we need to start dumping salary?). to the point where prominent NBA podcasters have basically been issuing apologies to wolves fans at the outset of discussions about the wolves, essentially bcuz of how much the professional commentator worldview aligns w/ the world view of the professional front office person (who are spending all day texting with each other thus reinforcing said worldview)
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 6 April 2024 17:47 (two months ago) link