who is mvp 2014-15

chris paul deserves to be on this list, because it's those 6 guys then there's an enormous drop off

curry = harden >> lebron = davis = paul >> westbrook

westbrook has put up some insane numbers but his usage is so high to the point where it's a bit ridiculous. his true shooting is like league average or below

yeah i had paul on there for a second but just couldn't see him actually winning the third, whereas the top four i think could all legit take it

winning the *thing*

russ just got his 10th triple double of the year btw

I'm contrarily

1. Steph
2. Bron
3. Brow
4. Harden
5. Westbrook

Curry is the best player and the MVP

1. Harden
2. Curry
3. LeBron
4. Westbrook
5. Davis

1. curry
2. harden
3. bron
4. brow
5. cp3

I guess you can slot juiceman in cp3's slot interchangeably

1. Davis
2. Harden
3. Curry

kevin k otm in this thread but i think curry is a few steps ahead of harden in the race

i would vote curry, but harden's main asset in this race is his minutes load compared to curry. though curry shouldn't be penalized for missing like 25% of 4th quarters because his team is so good

curry is better than harden [/homer] but harden is more "valuable" in that the rockets would be much worse w/out him than the w's w/o curry, imo.

but i want russ to win, why because he is just so awesome, even though he obviously does belong in 5th place here according to actual MVP "metrics"

curry is better than harden but harden is more "valuable" in that the rockets would be much worse w/out him than the w's w/o curry, imo.

this is m/l my reasoning for putting harden at the one slot

but i want russ to win, why because he is just so awesome, even though he obviously does belong in 5th place here according to actual MVP "metrics"

― brimstead, Wednesday, April 1, 2015 11:37 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

russ belongs in an ornage julius why because hes the juiceman

maybe the nba can invent a juiceman award... but they don't have to give it out every season, only if a true intense juiceman is out there who warrants it

curry is better than harden [/homer] but harden is more "valuable" in that the rockets would be much worse w/out him than the w's w/o curry, imo.

― brimstead, Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:37 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

literally anyone who gets into semantics with the word "valuable" shd be banned from ilh no offense, also clay shd be banned for leaving cp3 off this list

MODS PLZ DELETE THIS POLL

I'm sorry that I ruined ilh plz delete my account

plz delete this poll and put cp3 on it and leave the following worthless chuckers who dont play D off thx

James Harden, Rockets
LeBron James, Cavaliers
Russell Westbrook, Thunder

who is mvp 2014-15 part 2 now w/ chris paul

the real mvp poll ILH MVP 2015

Feel like it's between curry and harden despite what wbrook is doing. lebro waited too long to get going and the league is bored w him now. Brow has missed too many games too and no one talks about him anymore cos they probs just think he's gonna win like 7 in a row starting next year. Cp def should be in the convo but curry vined him twice this year so he's disqualified.

Aka kev otm

Currys been smoking hot since the asb too. But yeah he doesn't play many 4th qs.

curry is better than harden but harden is more "valuable" in that the rockets would be much worse w/out him than the w's w/o curry, imo.

this is m/l my reasoning for putting harden at the one slot

― Clay, Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:41 AM (7 hours ago

i think lagoon is overselling the case a little bit (basketball isn't baseball, which is essentially a 1-on-1 simulation run 600 times -- one player can affect his team's fortunes to a significant degree), but anytime you get into valuable talk you get into dicey territory. like it's definitely possible that by taking harden off the rockets his team is in much worse shape than if steph got taken off the warriors, but it's not really fair to penalize steph for the rest of his team being really good

Brow has missed too many games

― #wegonnabechampionship (Spottie), Thursday, April 2, 2015 2:18 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

has played exactly the same # of games as westbrook

why hasnt this thread been deleted yet

westbrook has missed too many games too

1. curry
2. beard
3. cp3
4. bron
5. brow
6. juiceman

sometimes i wonder how playing in the western conference might affect lebron's stature/legacy

I honestly think about that pretty often, it will def be something that's talked about re: the scope of lebron's career after he's retired, that he spent his entire career dominating a weak conference

it helps his legacy to be a Z-time champion

prob wouldve had a couple fewer finals appearances but for most of his career the imbalance wasnt nearly as strong as it is rn

like for this season for my hypothetical MVP vote i just couldn't countenance giving him a vote over curry/harden/paul, players leading their teams to equal or better records who play in a conference that is 10x tougher

stats vs west conf actually lil better than vs east

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/splits/

teams still play over a third of their games against the other conference u guys know

stats vs west conf actually lil better than vs east

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/splits/

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, April 2, 2015 2:10 PM (1 minute ago)

yeah and the cavs have dominated the west in the 2nd half iirc but the other games matter too

bron doesnt deserve the mvp because he a. stopped playing defense b. is not as good at offense as he once was

teams still play over a third of their games against the other conference u guys know

― lag∞n, Thursday, April 2, 2015 2:11 PM (3 minutes ago)

playing 1/3 vs 2/3 against a much tougher conference is a huge difference, tho as mentioned bron has played well against the west

part of this is about this year's MVP vote but part is about legacy/titles. i mean bron obviously knows as well as anyone playing in the east has helped him

cavs 18-12 vs the west

playing 1/3 vs 2/3 against a much tougher conference is a huge difference, tho as mentioned bron has played well against the west

― k3vin k., Thursday, April 2, 2015 2:17 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i suspect as far as an individuals stats its prob not that big of a difference

i mean much what is much

the five teams who have given up the most points this year are all in the west

the east is soooooo bad

the five teams who have given up the most points this year are all in the west

― lag∞n, Thursday, April 2, 2015 2:25 PM (7 minutes ago)

wow advanced stat

context kevin, context

only 4 of the bottom 13 teams in point differential are in the west

forgot draymondo, and yea he's played the whole season & is a great defender but...it's kawhi

kawhi played pretty bad or not at all for most of the year hes not getting any awards

lagoon i swear to god if you call kawhi overrated

we must remember that every award vote is in some ways a hot take

goon say cp3 should win every award we all know you want to

kawhi is overrated... on ilh

im deducting 25% from every spurs players rating until i see them maintain their performance on another team

yellocarded

lol

ha

i mean tim duncan is the second oldest player in the whole gdamn league its high time we came to grips with the fact that none of this makes any sense

sometimes i think of the spurs as some kind of cult and tim duncan is their tom cruise

something like that

i mean there has to be an explanation

he's been making $10m/year for years how is that possible

tony parker is Operating Cowboy IV

kawhi might be 4th on my MVP ballot rn *shrugs*

mvp is about the whole year thought not most of march and april

ya srsly cmon

i mean russ averaged a trip dub for a month just give it to him

well i said might. russ/bron/davis have missed a lot of time too

i mean tim duncan is the second oldest player in the whole gdamn league its high time we came to grips with the fact that none of this makes any sense
--lag∞n

lol are you bout ta propose some truther theories

i wonder if crawford is gonna with sixth man for the third or fifth time or whatever, he probably is

*win, jesus am i high in this thread

injured too long - it will be lou will or 🙏🙏isaiah🙏🙏

lol are you bout ta propose some truther theories

― slothroprhymes, Sunday, April 12, 2015 12:13 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ya idk pop is some sort of actual wizard?

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/files/2014/05/spurs-game-of-thrones.jpg

well yea of course, tim is also a once in a lifetime player more so than any spurs star even the admiral, but the "system" critique can prob be employed about many others (which is not to say that it should)

just tried to construct a spurs lineup where kawhi guards steph and maybe u cld do it but prob not with parker playing

cause who amongst us wld not love to see that match up

kawhi will definitely see some time on steph if/when they meet in the offs

not the whole game but stretches

wld like to see like the solid last ten mins of a close game

i mean what if steph gets the mvp then kawhi owns the hell out of him, awkward

haralabob getting mad @ steph "elite defender" hype rn on twtr

strauss is a pretty blatant homer. curry is obviously a legendary offensive player and an average defender, nothing wrong with that

its not just strauss

calling steph an 'elite defender' is hyped-up nonsense, but he's not a matador defender or anything that bad. and he is this season's mvp. if steph doesn't have it locked down by now the mvp voters have shit for brains.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

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it's not really fair but now that the rockets aren't going to have home court in the first round i think harden has zero chance

results are right and just imo, some brow presence would be great but his snub is a sad yet foregone conclusion in the IRL voting so I'm assuming we went in with the same thinking here

Westbrook voters out yourselves

I voted for harden two weeks ago but would shift that over to Steph today, I have been justly convinced

i don't think brow in any way shape or form deserves the MVP

BROW GOAT

grantland's hot takes on eoy awards
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nba-awards-ballot-part-1-in-praise-of-the-individual/

most of the picks are pretty reasonable imo altho i disagree re: 6 man because #homer

grantland obv cribbed their mvp ballot from my list upthread

low's top 5 is my exact top 5