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Brady was absolutely mauled in Super Bowl XLII, and the Giants' defense basically shut down the Patriots. Still, he managed to put his team ahead late with a TD pass, before that crazy helmet catch. Mahomes is supposedly the best QB in the league and his team is an offensive juggernaut, yet he didn't score a single point in the biggest game of the year, throwing two picks and getting sacked three times. He had an awful game no matter which way you slice it, is all I'm saying. I expect he'll learn a lot from this game and play even better going forward.

the 2007 Patriots had a point differential of +315 and were 17 point favorites in the Super Bowl. this year's Chiefs were +111 and 3.5. I don't think you can really compare the two games.

funny factoid about the brady era is the one year they missed the playoffs was when brady blew out his knee in the first game of the season (also the first game after the helmet catch, rough stretch for a pats fan lol), but they went 10-6 that year! i think one of only two teams ever to miss the offs with double digi wins, in conclusion maybe tom brady is just fundamentally lucky

they went 11-5! with Matt Cassel!! and lost the division to the Wildcat Dolphins, who went 1-15 the year prior!

lmao the truth was so outrageous i have to drop a win

he does seem to lead a charmed life...and yet remains so utterly charmless

maybe thats the secret

I wasn't at all proposing Brady as the greatest athlete ever

sure, and i wasn't really criticizing what you said, i was referring to things like this:

It's a simple question but a difficult answer.

Is @TomBrady the greatest athlete of all time? 🐐 pic.twitter.com/QFUo5lEiGZ

— The Athletic (@TheAthletic) February 6, 2021

when you include individual sport athletes like phelps or biles or usain bolt, the question becomes even more ridiculous.

yeah I almost can't hold the MAGA hat thing against him because his brain really does seem to be 90% football and 10% weird nutrition advice, he's kind of an empty vessel otherwise

literally trump was nice to him once and he was like this is my friend we are both famous

first superbowl i skipped in 25 years

VC: that tweet is crazy--surprised to see it's from The Athletic. I can only hope and assume they meant team player and just got careless with their wording.

ha, i would've thought so, but that graphic has images of tiger, biles, phelps, and serena

the article linked is just about similarities between jordan and brady's psychotic mental makeups, doesn't even mention all the other athletes

7 Rings. Congrats bro 😩 pic.twitter.com/pJe1H0V9Pi

— QuavoYRN (@QuavoStuntin) February 8, 2021

(xpost) You're right, it can't be a mistake. Even weirder is including Tiger alongside Serena and Phelps. Golf is more physically taxing than people who don't play might think, but I can't see that it's anywhere close to on par with those two sports.

never seen another human being age like this

“COVID won’t be around for long.”

COVID: pic.twitter.com/fMJUpGl8h4

— NFL Memes (@NFL_Memes) February 7, 2021

maybe comparing athletes across sports is inherently pointless? I remember someone on a basketball pod saying Brady can never be as great as MJ because he doesn't play any defence

goat debates are always completely pointless and lame and yet they are ~75% of sports discourse

my favorite is when people say horses are the greatest athletes thats the height get this man a talk radio show

MJ doesn't skate, IIRC.

Probably--I spend half my life pondering pointless questions. But I think it can be done, at least at the team level. Like Rocco says in The Godfather: difficult, not impossible.

lol at that quavo tweet. go blue!

Stephen A Smith has stated Mahomes's legacy is tarnished now

todays a big day for getting off hot takes

Brady's playing into his 60s

was peyton manning's legacy tarnished after that seahawks super bowl? i mean, maybe?

Peyton Manning is a good example of why this kind of talk is so stupid. Dude won 2 SBs, 1 against one of the worst Super Bowl teams ever (the Rex Grossman Bears), one in which he was arguably one of the worst starting QBs in the league. and yet he's clearly one of the 3 or 4 best QBs to ever play the game.

Lol Grosspick

patriots had a lot of swingy things go against them too, recall the helmet catch, a famously uncalled pass interference etc, i mean they lost 3 superbowls they lost a bunch of playoff games, thats somewhat obscured by the fact they went 12-4 for 20 years, basically they just had a lot of shots at it, which makes the playing in a weak division point a little more salient, tho on the other hand the fact that they lost to the dolphins once every year balances that out somewhat xp

― lag∞n, Monday, February 8, 2021 11:52 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

there's bigger picture stuff too, their defense aged out and they sucked on that side from like 2008-2012 while they rebuilt it. they were lacking at the skill positions for various portions of the brady years (2005/6, 2017-2019). outside of the year plus with randy moss the only skill position guy he played with who was considered top 10 in the league was gronk.

the division thing is salient for homefield advantage but i don't think the byes did much, the hallmark of the whole era was that they didn't lose playoff games within the AFC to inferior teams. you typically needed a dominant defense and a good-enough offense to beat them and most of the teams that beat them (jets, ravens, bronos in those years) were straight-up better.

the year the jets beat them in the playoffs, the pats were probably the better team, but rex ryan game-planned the hell out of that game. the jets were notoriously devoted to man coverage and blitzing all year round and in that playoff game they went full zone and blitzed only occasionally. completely threw brady off his game.

not totally germane to what we're talking about but as a jets fan, that's really all i have in terms of "recent" positive football memories lol

anyway, "count the rings" culture is a disease, it's silly to talk about the "legacy" of a 25-year-old guy who's redefined what's possible from the qb position, and a guy who if he had won yesterday would've been the first qb to ever win 2 super bowls by 25.

it's very unlikely that mahomes will win 7 super bowls, but he totally could. he's lost something like 5 games total as a starter.

It's a simple question but a difficult answer. Is @TomBrady the greatest athlete of all time?

What's so difficult about "no way, no how, gtfo"?

The reason this shit is so over-hyped is because the NFL is a multi-billion dollar business with deep connections to dozens of Fortune 500 companies, making it the most profitable sports league in human history. Money and hype walk hand in hand.

BTW they refer to Brady as the "losing quarterback" in that super bowl and he had the worst game of his season
I'm well aware. My point is he still scored points, unlike Mahomes last night. In both losing efforts against the Giants in the SB, Brady led his team to late leads before the defense let him down. Mahomes didn't do shit last night.
Here's his line on 20+ yard throws: 0-6 with an interception.
Lots of QBs are pressured. The great ones find ways to deal with it. But hey, those two incomplete passes on scrambling plays were pretty cool.

the game is over. it wasn't even a very interesting game. other than who had more points at the end, the rest is trivia. nôbôdy CARÊS àbôut FÖÖTßALL.

Here's his line on 20+ yard throws: 0-6 with an interception.

and 2 bounced off a receiver's face mask

Brady definitely had to scramble a bunch vs. the Giants but what Mahomes was facing last night was in a totally different league. I don't think a single QB in NFL history could've put up good numbers against a rush like that.

not saying you're wrong necessarily just that I, personally, did not see a whole lot of plays where Mahomes had anywhere to go with the ball, and that he did in fact "deal with it" by making some insane plays that, alas, his receivers dropped the ball on

Lots of QBs are pressured.

Sure,but literally nobody as often as Mahomes. That's what "record" means.

idk why you keep bringing up that Brady performance. He lost, got sacked five times, and the 17 points they scored were 19 less than their season average of 36/game.

So he managed to help his team score 8 more points than Mahomes. He was solved and had a ineffective game.

He was banged up (as was Mahomes) but he faced a fraction of what Mahomes did and was shut down.

Giants almost lost mostly cos their offense was sputtering too

Why aren't u saying "OH BRADY HELD INTO THE BALL TOO LONG"

Like that game destroyed expectations. Exhibit A

its one thing to pick the giants - but to predict the pats only score 20 points - krazy

― jhøshea, Sunday, February 3, 2008 11:07 AM bookmarkflaglink

ayyye lol

Lol sry dude :)

idk why you keep bringing up that Brady performance.

Because he still contributed on offense even though his O line got stomped on. It shouldn't be a difficult point to grasp. I could have picked any number of big games in which Brady WON despite facing a lot of pressure (SB 49 is just one example), but that wouldn't have been as sporting.
But go ahead and tell me how well Patrick Mahomes actually played last night, despite what my eyes told me. Maybe I missed something. Or are you saying he's not to blame AT ALL for his team's failure to get into the end zone all night?

and 2 bounced off a receiver's face mask

That's terrific. How many points do you get for that?
When it comes to dropped passes, probably no QB in the NFL has been as unlucky as Brady this year.

Why should I continue, you're just repeating the same shit as if it should be immediately obvious to everybody as an incontrovertible fact.

Brady "contributed" exactly one more touchdown pass than Mahomes. He was shut down. They lost. It isn't making a point that supports your argument.

Obviously I'm not saying Mahomes bears NO blame, but you aren't willing to accept the offensive line had any blame and laughed it off as if Mahomes merely forgot how to play QB all of a sudden.

Which tbh is a pretty big insult to what TB did on defense

Xpost point is you feel like every incomplete pass, sack, etc is Mahomes fault.

Stick to Miles Davis, not football

Like sure some were his fault but this is literally you:

"Wow Mahomes sucked"

"Well his o-line was missing two starting tackles, and unable to stop the Tampa Bay pass rush/blitz packages"

"Lol plz it was his fault, he just didn't get the ball out fast enough and kept throwing incomplete passes"

"There were at least three downfield passes dropped"

"LOL so what those don't count, incompletes are only bad when Mahomes makes a bad throw, u can't expect receivers to catch balls that hit them in the hands"

When it comes to dropped passes, probably no QB in the NFL has been as unlucky as Brady this year.

that's not true - Tampa only had one player in the top 40 for drops: Leonard Fournette

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/receiving_advanced.htm

you aren't willing to accept the offensive line had any blame

Please point out where I said that. I'll wait.
Mahomes' sucktitude and the weakness of the Chiefs' O line aren't mutually exclusive, you know. He knows he played poorly. "I'm going to look at the film and try to find ways to get better," he said after the game. And he will. He's a great quarterback and competitor who should, barring injuries, win several rings. Just don't tell me there's no way he could have played well last night due to the Chiefs' O line, Tampa's defense, the referee's calls or whatever. That's a loser's attitude.

Starting watching football long before I knew who Miles Davis was, but thanks.