"We've been completely disrespected all season long."

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Why has this been the prevailing meme of the 2005 season? Steve Smith is the obvious example of the player who is completely obsessed with whether or not people are disrespecting and/or ignoring him; I mean any time he's mic'd on the field or he talks after game he's constantly going on and on and on and ON about how I don't even know who he is. "Oh, who is this person??? Oh, you mean the Steve Smith who was voted into the Pro Bowl and has gotten about 20 pgs of ink about how he's possibly the hottest wide out in the league right now. THAT Steve Smith." That's just his personality. Why has the rest of the league decided it is also theirs?

I mean, you've also got Tom Brady going off about the Patriots lack of respect (even your CHEERLEADERS have endorsement deals, dude), Porter ripping reporters for even speaking to him post-playoff-game because they "all hated [the Steelers] all year and pretended we were dead, don't talk to the team now," the Seahawks making rumblings in the same direction (your team contains the league MVP. No. Shut up), Colts players implying lack of respect, etc etc. And this is just since the playoffs started for christ's sake.

WTF? Where did this come from? Is this just an inevitable after-effect of the mass media modern age oversaturation market? People just don't know that they don't deserve press 24 fucking 7? Did they not pay any attention to the TO/McNabb respect scandal? Is everyone just completely warped by the amount of press the Colts' perfect run/playoff impotence has garnered? Or are modern athletes just complete douchebags?

Noteable exceptions off the top of my head this year: Bettis, Strahan, Plummer, Rofflesberger, any of the Bengals even Chad Mouth to the South Johnson, Alexander, Favre all seem to have taken their teams ups and downs, good press and bad press in stride. I'd add Eli Manning to that list except I've never seen any indication, anywhere, that he actually knows how to speak so for all I know he's thinking it.

DISCUS.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Friday, 20 January 2006 14:56 (twenty years ago)

I guess my penultimate point is, what do these whiny Wendys define as "respect"? Does John Madden have to lick Steve Smith's balls before dude realizes he's not being constantly disrespected by the entire world? Also: has it always been like this, but history only remembers the Joe "I'm totally awesome and everyone loves me" Namaths of the world?

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Friday, 20 January 2006 14:59 (twenty years ago)

"Does John Madden have to lick Steve Smith's balls before dude realizes he's not being constantly disrespected by the entire world?"

Worst. Pregame. EVER.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 January 2006 15:43 (twenty years ago)

I'd like to think most of these goobers bitching about "respect" are just beating that dead horse for team-motivational purposes. Or maybe even fan-motivational purposes. Or maybe just to get themselves psyched.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 20 January 2006 15:51 (twenty years ago)

I wonder if Delhomme's habit of referring to him as "Smitty" in press conferences has anything to do with number 89's Napoleon Syndrome.

TOMBOT, Friday, 20 January 2006 15:56 (twenty years ago)

BACK IN THE OLD DAYS *dons cardigan* *lights pipe* they were too busy working second jobs to give a shit about anything but making a living. If all you're doing nowadays is hanging out at Marino's place watching TV then your mind starts working and imaginary enemies start popping up all over the place.

Also, did anyone see Jimmy Johnson's new haircut? I'll diss that.

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 20 January 2006 15:57 (twenty years ago)

Yeah...athlete celebrity factor has risen 100x since the old days, and if Tom Cruise is anything to go by, becoming a celebrity makes you extremely crazy and paranoid.

I don't really know what to think of teh Jimmy's new look. He is too old to be a hipster, what is he doing? Still, it didn't look bad.

Anyway, I think in "Smitty's" instance it is about getting himself psyched up but it is very pathetic at this point. The rest of them, I don't think it is motivational necessarily. I think it's just some kind of crazy follow-the-leader thing...T.O. and Steve Smith (and receivers in general, wtf is wrong with that group of people and their bipolar inferiority complexes) think they're disrespected and treated badly...and they get x amount of press...I get y amount of press...so this must mean...PEOPLE HATE ME etc etc etc. It gets to a point where you have a situation like on the New York Football Giants where Shockey is claiming his own QB is disrespecting him because he sometimes throws the ball to Plexiglass instead of Shockey. That's not motivation, that's paranoid schizophrenia.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Friday, 20 January 2006 16:19 (twenty years ago)

The level of THC in pot is a lot higher now.

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 20 January 2006 16:28 (twenty years ago)

Then why isn't Plummer worse?!

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Friday, 20 January 2006 16:31 (twenty years ago)

He's mountain man paranoid. He's probably behind the anthrax mailing scare.

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 20 January 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

I think speculating about the internal psychological workings of professional athletes is unseemly. It's just an interview, you don't know anything about them or their lives, leave them alone, don't read anything into anything they say, they're not politicians, etc.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 20 January 2006 16:44 (twenty years ago)

mouth to the south?

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 20 January 2006 16:57 (twenty years ago)

This thread turned from super funny to crap in short order. I really am not sure why you guys are so disrespectful of this board but it don't matter to me, cos you'll be respecting us tomorrow that's for damn sure.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Friday, 20 January 2006 16:59 (twenty years ago)

???????????

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 20 January 2006 17:03 (twenty years ago)

Chad Johnson? Never heard of 'im.

TOMBOT, Friday, 20 January 2006 17:05 (twenty years ago)

actually, now that i think about it, all this "disrespect" bs just amounts to the nfl becoming the wwe, which is fine by me.

btw, love that tagliabue:

Despite being a childhood baseball fan, he dismisses the national pastime as “about as exciting as standing in line at the supermarket. Baseball doesn’t test anything but your ability to withstand boredom.”

Perhaps trying to soften the blow he’s just landed on baseball’s chin, he broadens his attack. “Look,” he says with a sigh, “I think the popularity of all sports in our society is a measure of how much disposable income there is and how much interest we have in the unnecessary.”

Critics say that he has been too effective arguing the owners’ position on certain issues, such as virtually eliminating guaranteed contracts in the NFL. “I don’t have any problem with where we are in terms of guaranteed contracts,” he says, his voice rising. “Guaranteed contracts don’t do anything except take money from a guy who is playing and give it to a guy who isn’t.”

He cites the NBA. “Are those players slacking? Absolutely. Football is a sport that is way too tough to take a chance – it comes back to my contrived-adversity point. Since this is contrived adversity, you have to maintain the incentive to put up with the adversity. I acknowledge it’s not a prolabor stance, but it is a properformance stance.”

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 20 January 2006 17:12 (twenty years ago)

Rofflesberger kept saying "nobody expected us to win this game except the guys in our locker room" in all the post-game interviews. That's basically the same thing as "we weren't respected".

Serious answer: parity. Teams always go from 6-10 to the playoffs and back to crap again. From year to year, it keeps getting harder to predict which teams are for real, so teams that come out of nowhere and go 9-7 are treated with a fair amount of skepticism.

Similar logic applies to the great teams. I know I always use this example, and I'm sure people are tired of it, but New England were considered underdogs against Indy in the playoffs last year -- were the mid-90's Cowboys considered underdogs against ANYBODY when they were the defending champs? I think parity enforces the notion that upsets can, and will happen, except in this case it's being applied to playoff teams as well. As for this year's Steelers, few expected them to go to the Superbowl and/or beat Indy, even though the same team was 15-1 last year, 11-5 this year despite injuries and the fact their division got a whole lot tougher. This year's team is probably just as good as last year's, but they were still perceived to be on the same level as the other 3-6 seeds and weren't given any credit for possibly being the best team in football in the 2004 season.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 20 January 2006 17:27 (twenty years ago)

Rofflesberger kept saying "nobody expected us to win this game except the guys in our locker room" in all the post-game interviews. That's basically the same thing as "we weren't respected".

except that this is largely true (lawrence kansas aside). what was the spread? it's a little different than steve smith bitching.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 20 January 2006 17:30 (twenty years ago)

Despite being a childhood baseball fan, he dismisses the national pastime as “about as exciting as standing in line at the supermarket. Baseball doesn’t test anything but your ability to withstand boredom.”

Off topic, but one day somebody should sit down with a stopwatch and keep track of the total time that there is action on the football field. A play lasts five seconds, followed by 40 seconds were everybody stands around ... certainly under 10 minutes of actual play during a three hour game, and I'm betting that if you did the same for baseball that it would come out ahead.

I can sorta tolerate these statements when hockey or basketball people say them, but not football people and deffo not the commish.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 20 January 2006 17:33 (twenty years ago)

except that this is largely true (lawrence kansas aside). what was the spread? it's a little different than steve smith bitching.

If it had been the 15-1 Steelers vs the 14-2 Colts, the spread wouldn't have been 9.5 ... but essentially those were the 15-1 Steelers we saw out there, it's the same team and they weren't given any credit for it. In another (non-parity) time, people would have said "this team went 15-1 last year, you can't ignore them in the playoffs!" rather than assuming their 11-5 record meant they'd reverted back to the mean as expected in a parity-driven league.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 20 January 2006 17:38 (twenty years ago)

I didn't expect PITT to beat Indy :(

The spread may have been around 9 but I didn't bet that game so I can't say for sure.

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laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 20 January 2006 17:39 (twenty years ago)

yeah, the ads both before and after kickoffs are killing me.

xp perhaps, but nevertheless, very few people thought the steelers would win that game. particularly since it was in indy, where they'd been killed two months ago.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 20 January 2006 17:41 (twenty years ago)

TO is basically my role model. I like him because he's a lot like me... If the team succeeds because of him, great, that's wonderful. But if not, fuck em, TO looks out for NUMBER ONE. So in conclusion, TO is the shit and yallz = haters.

Anyway, I think its different with Porter. The guy is a motivator of men and is one of the best leaders on that team.

Sloths B. Creepin (Adrian Langston), Friday, 20 January 2006 17:54 (twenty years ago)

I was cool with Chad Johnson till I heard about his little fit at half time of the Steelers game. After your QB blows his knee out and the backup takes you into the half up on a team in the playoffs, don't start whining you are not getting the ball to your coach and get into a shoving match. That is some serious candy ass stuff and someone like Willie Anderson should have stuffed Chad into a trashcan for pulling that crap.

WR is the prima-donna position of football and I think it all started with Michael Irvine getting jealous of Neon Deon.

Joey Porter has taken bullets outside a sports bar in Denver and has been thrown out of a game while warming up, a unique combination.

Eli Manning has done a couple of interviews on ESPN. I think the guy knows that it is probably best playing for the NYG's that he just shut up and play QB. There is something kind of Wally and the Beaver about Peyton and Eli.

I wish the Dolphins good luck with T.O., as they seem to be the team most interested in getting him. I'm sure Sage Rosenfeld (sp?) and headbutt king Frerotte will be exactly the kind of upgrade T.O. wanted over McNabb.

earlnash, Friday, 20 January 2006 18:13 (twenty years ago)

kind of Wally and the Beaver about Peyton and Eli

"kind of!!"

TOMBOT, Friday, 20 January 2006 18:49 (twenty years ago)

roffles: lumpy rutherford
brady: eddie haskell
farvre: ward
dbledsoe: june

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 20 January 2006 18:56 (twenty years ago)

dbledsoe: june

!!!!!!!!

Dan (ROFFLECORE) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 January 2006 19:23 (twenty years ago)

Jared Lorenzen : Larry Mundello
Carson Palmer : Gilbert
Drew Brees : Richard
Vinny Testaverde : Old Gus

ihttp://timstvshowcase.com/beaver1.jpg

"Jeepers, were grounded out of the playoffs"

Earl Nash (earlnash), Friday, 20 January 2006 19:42 (twenty years ago)

the other thing is that -- hi -- these people's lives are pretty great! they have lots of money, get to play a game that most of em love, get mad ladies (or boys for kordell) and pretty much just get to extend adolescence forever. and so to give their lives some meaning, a lot of athletes turn to christ and, to add more of an edge to what they do, search out enemies, people who are persecuting them. they're just trying to not be bored!

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 20 January 2006 19:45 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but Steve Smith is still an ass.

TOMBOT, Friday, 20 January 2006 19:48 (twenty years ago)

I loved how on Total Access last night Lincoln Kennedy's take on how the Seahawks can beat Smitty was basically "Well the Cowboys just got in his face and irritated him a lot, and the he screamed at a ref and got ejected. That's a good way to take care of Steve Smith."

TOMBOT, Friday, 20 January 2006 19:53 (twenty years ago)

Steve smith is hilarious

Sloths B. Creepin (Adrian Langston), Friday, 20 January 2006 20:24 (twenty years ago)

u mad

Sloths B. Creepin (Adrian Langston), Friday, 20 January 2006 20:24 (twenty years ago)

No no he's hilarious but not in a way that I think he'd approve of. He'd probably accuse you of SUPREMELY disrespecting him.

I totally understand and agree with the trying not to be bored thing, I mean why not just invent a feud and stick with it. Unless you're T.O., then shit costs you lots of money but it ain't like you weren't rolling in it anyway.

Also please do not take this thread as hatin on my part, yo. I am not hatin on these people, except for Shockey cos he's a fucking douchebag. I am someone who will defend Neon Deion and Michael Irvin to the death and I hate the Cowboys. I mean, do you see the way those men dress? I just wanna know the mechanics of why everyone in the NFL has turned into paranoid schizos and why there aren't more Rofflesberger/"It's all good" types rollin these days.

The boredom thing might be part of it, yeah but OTOH I mean why not just run for Senate like Steve Largent if you're this bored.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Friday, 20 January 2006 20:49 (twenty years ago)

The thing with the "Smitty" constant freak outs is that he strikes you not as someone who you should be scared of because he's so tough and motivated and he gonna PROVE HIMSELF TO YOUR FACE, but more like if you turned around and had your defender just yell across the line at him, "YOU HAVE SMALL GENITALS," it'd fuck with dude's game for weeks.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Friday, 20 January 2006 20:50 (twenty years ago)

can ppl really not figure out the steve smith deal? HE'S 5-9 AND A WIDE RECEIVER. my guess is he's been disrespected his whole football career at least up thru last week and probably up thru next week. yknow why? HE'S A 5-9 WIDE RECEIVER. if he was a just a 5-9 dude that'd explain alot but a wide receiver? on average the corners covering him are gonna be four to five feet taller than him. and are gonna let him know it. ask the bears.

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 20 January 2006 21:18 (twenty years ago)

cf where TOMBOT posted the words "Napoleon Complex" upthread already, dude.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Friday, 20 January 2006 21:19 (twenty years ago)

Anyway tell Smith to cry one (1) river at Muggsy Bogues dude. I'm not saying I don't understand why he might have a bit of an inferiority complex anyway--I'm wondering why dudes like Brady and Shockey seem to have developed them too!

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Friday, 20 January 2006 21:23 (twenty years ago)

In high school, our team made it through two playoff rounds to get into the state quarterfinals. Despite two really good wins and one of the biggest defensive lines in the state (TWO 6'7" ends, a 300-pound man-mountain at tackle) and a really great secondary helmed by a rakishly handsome free safety named Cibula and a tough-ass running attack, we were still nervous about going up against perennial state power Lakeridge...until our coach reminded us that Lakeridge was one of the richest high schools in the state and probably thought we were a bunch of hicks. He hammered this home by pointing out that Lakeridge's QB* had moved away from our town, and played up the whole "probably thought he was too big for this little town -- well I LOVE this little town!" angle. We got all fired up about that, and about how no one thought our little school could do anything.

Of course we lost, but not because of that. We lost because our quarterback threw a horrible pick that got returned, and because our DB coach choked and put in another dude for me on the goal line because the other dude was on the basketball team and wanted to be prepared for a jump-ball pass. Of course, dude jumped wrong and they scored. Coach = idiot.

*Erik W1lh3lm, who set records at Oregon State and later backed up Boomer Esiason and got cursed out by Howie Long.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 20 January 2006 22:07 (twenty years ago)

I must bring up the nauseating corollary to being disrespected all season long:

WE SHOCKED THE WORLD!! (courtesy here of Hines Ward)

Hunter (Hunter), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 02:15 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Pitt is 50/50, the players who are pretty cool, don't seem to give a fuck on this respect/no respect issue, and then there's Ward and Porter.

I guess everyone just likes to be the underdog but fuck it I prefer more Namathesque constant confidence.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 05:26 (twenty years ago)

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/football/_photos/2004-10-15-inside-namath-ko.jpg

gear (gear), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 07:50 (twenty years ago)

Well, not these days.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 15:27 (twenty years ago)

Confidence is sexy.

When you're sober.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 15:55 (twenty years ago)

i was at the gym last night and hines ward appeared to be weeping on the teevee. what was that about?

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 16:00 (twenty years ago)

Post-World-Shocker Syndrome? I think it's related to Vermeil's Disease.

Hunter (Hunter), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 16:15 (twenty years ago)

He couldn't handle the respect.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 16:18 (twenty years ago)


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