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enh, i know what you mean, but some stuff (like tuomas' SB on yr profile thing) actually WOULD be easy for someone familiar with the code to implement, i'd wager.

i'm not, so i won't, and i'm not gonna whine if it doesn't happen, but given the fact that we have entire threads devoted to asking for your SB count, it doesn't seem totally out of line to suggest code the idea

nick is looking for something to be a sourpuss about

why do people keep coming up with "solutions" that obviously require someone to spend a ton of unpaid time writing a bunch of code? it's not going to happen.
1) if you want one of these solutions, write the code and donate it
2) if you can't, stfu

Well, somebody took the the time of coding the whole SB feature in the first place, and it's not like there was a huge demand for it.

But I have an even better proposition for you: get rid of the whole Suggest Ban feature. That should take virtually no coding time at all, and it would solve all the problems brought up in the numerous threads we've had about SB ever since it was installed. It's a win-win situation!

:/ i'm a happy guy :/
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It's a win-win situation!

please render your cliches in finnish

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hey, its n/a, the guy who doesn't give shit and repeatedly tells us so

not sure where that's coming from, if i didn't give a shit i wouldn't complain about all this stuff. i like suggest bans, think they work well, and so eliminating them would not be a "win-win" situation for me.

Is there some reason why you couldn't see the number of your SBs all the time? For example, they could be displayed in your user profile. Of course they should be invisible to others, but being able to check the number any time you want to should function as a sufficient early warning system.

And taking that idea even further, is there some reason why shouldn't be able to see the list of posts that have made people SB you anytime you want to? Again, this information should be invisible to others, but your user profile could show the number of your SBs, and when you click that number, you would get a list of the posts which have caused those SBs. This way you would know what is it about your posting style that irritates people without needing to make wild guesses or ask a mod after you've been banned.

dude sorry to be a dick to you but either code it yourself or shut up with all these "here, do all this work to satisfy me, the great Tuomas"

i honestly didn't realize i have been coming across as so consistently snarky/mean/whatever these days, but apparently i have. i've probably been on ilx too long, i'm pretty tired of all of these endless repetitive meta arguments but i find it really hard to stay out of them and also i want to make sure that the anti-sb crew doesn't "win" just because everyone gets tired of arguing with them.

hey guys is it out of the question to let the site admins say if theyre willing/able to code something or not?

dude sorry to be a dick to you but either code it yourself or shut up with all these "here, do all this work to satisfy me, the great Tuomas"

I don't know why you two keep bringing up this argument? If I knew how to code I would certainly help make those things possible, but I'm not a coder. However, it's not like the actual coders are against suggestions that might make ILX better: they've even started a thread asking for those kind of suggestions. I'm just making two more. If the coders say, it's too much work, we don't have the time to do it, that's fine by me. But you don't need to speak on their behalf.

kinda funny tbh how the pro-sb argument has morphed from "it's working fine!" to "it's too hard to code!" as it becomes more and more obvious that it's not working fine

it's working fine

it's not quite "babies have fingernails" yet but it's getting there

it's working fine

i think it's working fine

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lol @ babies have fingernails

btw the correct answer is "it wasn't working fine, now that 6-month expiry is in it might be working fine, we won't know for another 6 months"

i dunno, people complaining about SB remind me about people who i grew up with who were always complaining that the cops were hassling them. maybe the cops were in fact hassling them but if they weren't occasionally crossing lines they wouldn't even ever have to deal with the cops. which is to say maybe there's something to be said for the fact that if you're closing in on 50, and you'd rather not be closing in on 50, maybe you should take a break before the break takes you (/ soviet russia). i know some people have pretty much gone for the 50 willingly and don't care, of course.

btw the correct answer is "it wasn't working fine, now that 6-month expiry is in it might be working fine, we won't know for another 6 months"

If that's the correct answer, why are people still talking about this?

this isn't about the cops, its about the snitches

that's the $64K question, jesus CHRIST some people like to whip on that dead horse
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xp tbf i am the first one who recognized the correct answer, a couple minutes ago

I don't know why you two keep bringing up this argument? If I knew how to code I would certainly help make those things possible, but I'm not a coder.

kinda funny tbh how the pro-sb argument has morphed from "it's working fine!" to "it's too hard to code!" as it becomes more and more obvious that it's not working fine

it is working fine for a lot of people. if I had a problem with it, I think I could probably put aside a little time/call some coding friend who'd help me throw something together instead of coming with this ultra-entitled "the system must be changed since I & others have a problem with it." it's not that "it's too hard to code" (which no-one said, at all, just that it takes time) -- it's that there is no reason to do the coding. there's a system in place. anybody who doesn't like it is free to contribute some actual code & I'm sure that if it's good code, it can be sandboxed.

you are creating policy out of the air

the ILX code is no longer public afaik

it's that there is no reason to do the coding. there's a system in place.

But you could just as well argue there was no reason to do the coding for the SB in the first place. We had a system in place before it, and I thought it was fine. SB has made it worse.

yes, that that argument would be dull and solipsistic in the extreme, to the point of making others incredulous that a person is still making it when he has already made his position clear

All I'm saying is that your "system is in place, the coding is done" argument is not very good. If it would be, ILX code would still be the same as in 2000.

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can I just

the problem is having any constructive discussion about how to modify the current system is near impossible

― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, November 27, 2009 12:13 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah whatever you say

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Like I said way upthread, I don't want to make any changes to SB for the next six months, to see if all the changes we've already made make a big difference.

I'm kinda against ideas like Tuomas's one anyway because it makes SB a much higher profile part of the site than it needs to be. It should really be a last resort type of thing, and people really shouldn't be getting banned from it every week or two. If it's so high profile and frequent that you need to keep a permanent eye on your SB count, I think something's fundamentally wrong, and ideas like that are just window dressing.

Expiry is really making a dramatic difference, though. Already the SB page has gone from a fair number of people getting close to a ban to effectively nobody. There's no-one even past 40, and only two people past halfway. If SB is still seen as a big problem next summer then yeah, we need to look again at how it works/if it should be here at all. I don't think it will be, though.

I can tell by your literary references that youre one of those "arty" types

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yeah chasing windmills is so super arty

thanks stet--that all makes sense. only thing i'd say re: tuomas' idea is that it would prevent a certain situation recently where a longtime poster was purportedly blindsided by the fact that they were suggest banned. but i understand not wanting to make it high profile.

i had either totally forgotten or didn't know that sunsetting SB's was happening

Tuomas, I have no problem with you or anyone else suggesting changed to ILX moderation, but when those suggestions involve work for someone, and when you make a point of saying how easy it seems like it should be to do, you're not doing your case any favours with the people with the chops to actually implement them.

system getting changed means the system works crowd was WRONG btw ;)

i know piling on tuomas is hilarious safe fun for everybody but:

However, it's not like the actual coders are against suggestions that might make ILX better: they've even started a thread asking for those kind of suggestions. I'm just making two more. If the coders say, it's too much work, we don't have the time to do it, that's fine by me.

I'm fine with that, Stet. Let's wait for 6 months and see what happens.

Just want to say one thing though: SB has been high profile because prominent posters have gotten banned due to it, and sometimes for not so obvious reasons. Things that might help people understand those reasons, and hence not to get banned (such as my two ideas), should make it less high profile, not more.

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Things that might help people understand those reasons

when somebody tells you that they've gotten your point already & then says "I'm sb-ing you if you say the same thing even one more time" and then you say it three more times, that's a possible indicator of what people are clicking sb for.

Yeah, but I think Kate's example proves it's not always that obvious.

x-post what? has that happened?

I agree that the expiry (or lack thereof) was a major issue with the initial implementation of the sb system, it's good that it's in place now

still don't understand why people feel the need to vehemently defend the system against critics to the point where they're attacking the people making the criticisms, especially when the mods have made it perfectly clear that sb isn't going anywhere

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