is banning posters for beefing with mods really what we want to do?

Thank God that will never happen.

Anyway, I’m peacing out of this whole deal. Have fun.

stet can ban whoever he wants for whatever reason and anyone irritated about it can go start a successor board or complain in slack or subtweet stet bc stet runs the dumb thing and this is how the internet works, if you own and run the thing you have every right to manage it with outright caprice and even vindictiveness if you want to.

― go hang a salami I'm a canal, adam (silby), Thursday, July 23, 2015 12:22 AM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is stupid as heck no offense stet just stole the board anyway and doesnt even really read or understand it particularly, which is not to say i dont appreciate the work hes done, but everyone w yr toady ass authority worship can get the bozack

I wouldn't say it's "authority worship" per se just that like this is literally what running and moderating internet messageboards is for, messageboards are governed by fiat not the rule of law bc they aren't polities.

argue about community norms sure but it's not like the mods are vested with power by the demos they're vested with it by whoever has the root passwd to the EC2 instance

none of that is "literally" true actually its just yr bad idea abt it

i mean like stet aint start ilx, he doesnt pay for it, it doesnt belong to him

doesn't belong to him like he's not its legal proprietor or in some sort of spiritual sense

he has some login info, he does work that no one else wants to or can (thank u!) but this idea that he has absolute power and thats just that i dont think particularly reflects the reality of the situation, nor is it particularly desirable

Well he could pull the plug, as eneff did back in the day. Go ahead, I say.

none of that is "literally" true actually its just yr bad idea abt it

― lag∞n, Wednesday, July 22, 2015 10:25 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is good tho, I think this is how my messageboard posting generally works b/c whenever I get riled up I just post shit I don't necc "mean" or "believe"

can't believe lag∞n invoked the bozack, shit poppin off

I don't know what that is honestly assume it's some sort of third-rate polearm that doesn't even show up in the player's handbook

"this is stupid as heck no offense stet just stole the board anyway and doesnt even really read or understand it particularly, which is not to say i dont appreciate the work hes done, but everyone w yr toady ass authority worship can get the bozack"

Are you fucking kidding me

Yeah cmon guys what has stet done for us (other than deal with the server, pay for it sometimes, keep the code running, basically fix all the behind scenes stuff nobody else knows how to do, run every contribution thread and deal with the taxes involved)? What a non contributing out of touch dick.

Honestly I'm just imagining lagoon sitting at home hoping his shitposting at stet will finally get him the ban that will finally earn him some hard posting cred. Grow the fuck up.

Stole it? Who from? The guy who owned the box and was going to shut it all down? The volunteers who spent six months trying to write new code and gave up six lines in? The people who I brought together to save it and who later all quit? (Some of those people also people who wanted to ban you years ago and who I saved you from, btw)

FWIW, ILX is about £900 in the hole to me rn too.

Anyway, I don't think I "own" this place but I do feel responsible for it and admin it -- have done for nearly a decade, far longer than anyone else, and for the most part on my own. One of the things I've always said as part of that deal is that there will be mods and I will have their backs. This is not a democracy.

Also FTR though, I have defrocked more mods for abuse of power than I have banned posters for abuse of mods. Maybe that was the wrong way around.

That's not to pretend that I admin in a way that everyone agrees with tho. But since the days of the drama in the LBZC I've offered to set the disenfranchised people up with their own sites: I'll set them up, give them the code, and help their admin out. All they have to do is pay their own bills.

Sure it's not quite giving you the reins of this place, but still, if you want to steal it back just take me up on that and get the users you care about to go with you.

I know we're dealing with the famed Lagoon self-awareness here but let's not pretend he's speaking for anyone other than a relatively small group of people. Everyone has a skewed perspective of what the culture of ILX is based on the threads they read and who they interact with but it would be a mistake for anyone to assume that encapsulates all of it.

this is stupid as heck no offense stet just stole the board anyway and doesnt even really read or understand it particularly, which is not to say i dont appreciate the work hes done, but everyone w yr toady ass authority worship can get the bozack

― lag∞n, Thursday, July 23, 2015 6:20 AM (4 hours ago)

holy fucking shit @ this and the rest of your insane entitlement issues.

Exhibit A for matt's point is how terrible a high % of the solitary posts are at effortlessly summarising the spirit of ilx

Look, guys, if you don't like the moderation here: remember that board Dommy P created post-ban and nobody posted on? It's possibly still there.

is Dom writing for The Stage now?

https://www.thestage.co.uk/whats-on/other/student-showcase/2015/midlands-academy-dance-drama-graduate-showcase-2015/

Speaking as someone who has problems with authority that sometimes border on the pathological, framing appreciation for what stet and the mods do as like kowtowing to the bigwigs is ridiculous. Sure, they make an enviable salary maintaining the site (from which I and others receive a tidy stipend for our continued support of their actions). Of course they're rubbing elbows with the big shots and power players and otherwise deriving all kinds of ancillary benefits as a function of their roles here that offset the hassle of what might otherwise seem a thankless task. But judge not lest etc.

But for serious. Aside from the adulation of my sizeable and vocal fanbase on the board, I don't see where I personally gain anything from positive acknowledgment of stet and the mods other than hoping that it eases stet's finger a little further away from the 'shitcan ILX' button. Would I like to think that ILX is a community where its members have a voice and are basically given free rein as long as they aren't adolescent dickholes about it? Sure. And do think it is that for the most part. If anyone wants to start an anarcho-syndicalist ILX analogue, I will observe their efforts with great interest. But this thing ain't that thing. And if this line of argument makes me a milquetoast welp

this is stupid as heck no offense stet just stole the board anyway and doesnt even really read or understand it particularly, which is not to say i dont appreciate the work hes done

you actually don't appreciate the work he's done: the evidence is you are an asshole to him and talk to & about him with contempt. I have generally dug you but you're being a total fucking dick; you're entitled to jack shit here, so maybe hold your God damned tongue for a thread or two on this subject, on which you've already said your abusive, unappreciative, overentitled piece.

Thread is insane.

i like how as we've descended the scale of import from 'should gawker have outed that guy' to 'should we have banned deej' we are becoming only more vehement in our arguments and accusations

this place looooooooves its clusterfucks

not everybody in this place

synechdoche i guess

squeakiest wheels etc etc

no more oil is what i say

I should read ILX and enjoy entertaining posts about housecats and Metallica.

http://i.imgur.com/MoAG1Ac.jpg

But that said, I think we all agree that stet needs to be banned.

http://i.imgur.com/Ig7zck7.jpg

FWIW, ILX is about £900 in the hole to me rn too.

you should throw up the fund raising flag. also unban everyone :)

otm

Yes to fundraising. I'll double my last donation in lag88n's name.

test

stet has done incredible work for this place. fuck this adolescent horseshit.

Lmao it's genuinely amazing how consistently deej makes these big clusterfucks become all about him. you could consider it a gift if it ever benefited him in any way at all. the fact that he occasionally does it so severely that he gets himself banned is just nature's way of giving the rest of us a break from the cycle.

you actually don't appreciate the work he's done: the evidence is you are an asshole to him and talk to & about him with contempt. I have generally dug you but you're being a total fucking dick; you're entitled to jack shit here, so maybe hold your God damned tongue for a thread or two on this subject, on which you've already said your abusive, unappreciative, overentitled piece.

― Joan Crawford Loves Chachi, Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:47 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i dont understand is stet god like everyone else around here its fine to say whatever you want about them like i dont think a day goes by on this board without someone calling someone else some sort of sub human monster, certainly weve seen no shortage of moral grandstanding in the ongoing gawker fiasco for instance, but take issue with stet and you are an entitled lil prick

which btw as for entitlement for that to be right i wld have to believe im entitled to something which im not sure what im demanding here, i do genuinely appreciate the work stets done and for sure enjoy his presence, its def better that the site landed in his hands than 90% of the ppl around here lol, but that doesnt mean i agree with everything hes done

fundamentally what set me off on this is the whole "this is not a democracy" stance is just dumb and incurious imo, like democracy and dont question stet are not the only two options, its also just like not how power really functions, even absolute power is never absolute

shut the fuck up

xp dude. in a week of dumb fights to pick this is thee worst. hurting your board brand man.

ppl seem to really enjoy dropping the this is not a democracy truthbomb

like even if its true is it good

i dont think a day goes by on this board without someone calling someone else some sort of sub human monster,

I must be consistently missing those threads. Glad of that.

This is becoming a far more interesting interpretation of the Gawker meltdown than I expected from a community theatre production.

yeah it's good because we get a dude who does the grunt work to keep this shed upright m/l singlehanded and isn't a total fucking nightmare about it, what more can we ask for? given what stet contributes if the worst of his excesses is a slightly hairtrigger but basically defensible temp ban on deej we are doing p well

messing w the mods is just good and righteous because they tend to be for whatever reason the ppl around here with the least self awareness, and their defenders are of course the predictable milquetoasts

― lag∞n, Wednesday, July 22, 2015 5:13 PM (Yesterday)

Dude there are a lot of people who aren't even posting on this thread who have been quietly FPing you since you decided to jump on this particular hobbyhorse, like you can't be completely unaware of how much of a tool this is making you look right now?

idg what the pt of this is, lag. u think ppl are too appreciative of stet? or ur fighting for the right to say mean things to him? or is it just random railing against an authority figure?

As always stet I'm willing to pay $10 (£0.18?) monthly for the pro version.

fwiw matt dc ive alway thought u were a good mod if the ppl want to give me a 30 day i will certainly submit to their will

Congrats Matt!

idg what the pt of this is, lag. u think ppl are too appreciative of stet? or ur fighting for the right to say mean things to him? or is it just random railing against an authority figure?

― Mordy, Thursday, July 23, 2015 10:15 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

just basically think the "stet shd be able to do whatever he wants" pov is super lame