Modding of I love TMI

ok i know this is kind of weird because i am a mod and all, but i wanted to do this as a poster in general. i have serious reservations about the way that I love TMI is getting modded. As the board that is supposed to be a place where people can openly discuss some serious stuff if they want to (yeah and also lots of poop questions, but lets stick to the point at hand), i think that modding with an iron fist and shutting down discussions simply because people disagree with your opinions is completely inappropriate. If this is unacceptable to masonic boom, i suggest she step down as a mod of that board.

It is what it is. It's my board and it always has been. I don't agree with your site-wide moderation Justen, but hey, I've learned that if you protest against that, you get banned. Sub boards are a law unto themselves, always have been.

It's my board. If I don't want to read yet another wonderfully handled ILX thread about gender and determinism - ESPECIALLY from a guy who only discovered clitoral anatomy - literally - yesterday, OK, well, that's the one place I get to say I don't have to.

(note: i am assuming that the second deletion that just occurred was done by MB, but since ILTMI modding appears not to show up in the admin log (which i vaguely remember being decided at some point for some reason) i cant be sure of that, and if a different mod did i then i still object to the decision, but i rescind my direct statement about MB retaining mod privs)

xpost ok that is just ridiculous. my point still stands.

i mean if youd like to point out the times where people have been banned for protesting my sitewide modding id love to see it, but instead how about we quit making shit up to prove our points, which is a bad look TBH.

I'm not stepping down as anything because Kenan is butthurt. Life is tough. Get over it.

I'm going to bed, talk among yourselves if you want, but I'm not changing anything.

that's good - people who learn stuff for the first time have no right to talk about it, so i agree with your point that you should shut it down. i guess i didn't realize that all of the other threads that you haven't deleted or locked today were chock full of experts expertly raising expert points with expertise.

I thought my analysis of gender and determinism was very wonderfully handled thank you very much!

aw 23 seconds too late

also, no one asked you to step down because of anything kenan did or said - i think the point being raised was that you should step down because you're a shitty mod, and that is true. i suppose if you claim ownership over the board, then you're not really moderating it at all and can do whatever you want. if that's the case, i'd like to request that another forum be created so ILTMI discussion can take place apart from your will to power.

oh hey can i get my own board? bc there's a lot of times i don't like shit ppl post to threads, so i'd like a board where i can talk about what i define as suitable and delete posts or lock threads that i don't like.

the point here is that iltmi was at least partially set up to give people a safe and if they wished anonymous (dont know if this is still the case) place to post about stuff. this style of modding is completely inconsistent with that idea.

also, the reason that iltmi is "your board" is because you volunteered to surrender your previous board because it wasnt getting used. this doesnt give you any inalienable right to suddenly subvert discussion that you dont like. if you cant agree with that, i suggest that you can have your old board reinstated and not mod iltmi.

xxpost

oh good another kate meltdown, we haven't seen one of those for...weeks

jjjusten: yes! i think a new iltmi board is in order.

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btw i am not trying to attack you or stir shit up, kate. im dead serious about this, but it is in no way personal, i just think that given part of the purpose of that board, this sort of modding is inappropriate. obv as a sitewide i sould just unlock and undelete the threads, but im trying to deal with this in a more open and diplomatic way, which is tough when your first response to me is some aggressive ad hominem attack on my brutal modding of ilx, but whatever.

it ~should~ be personal, imo. her personality dictates how she mods!

didn't really know that ppl like owned threads until today, r they paying rent to every1 who paid for the ilx server?

There has never been anything open or diplomatic about the modding of ILX.

You wanna have a discussion about whether I'm a "fit" moderator, I suggest that you wait a few days until the popp-throwing monkeys have calmed down and stopped baying for my blood because nothing constructive is gonna get done at this point.

I'm going to bed now. You can lock this thread, or you can just carry on having a flame-war and personal nastiness towards me all night, it's up to you really, I stopped caring about anything anyone says about me on this board quite some time ago.

I'm going to bed, talk among yourselves if you want, but I'm not changing anything.

― Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Sunday, April 4, 2010 7:12 PM (14 minutes ago)

*throws popp*

imo you were completely nasty and rude to kenan, don't give it if you can't take it. kenan is nothing if not a bit of an 'oddball' poster, but he's also the first to apologize if he says stuff that's out of line - often calling himself out on it before anyone else even does - which is more than i can say for you, kate.

*throws popp*

― ☀ ☃ (am0n), Sunday, April 4, 2010 7:29 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dying

I stopped caring about anything anyone says about me on this board quite some time ago.

― Delia & Daphne & Celeste (Masonic Boom), Sunday, April 4, 2010 11:26 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

unless it is abt whether you were a girl early in the womb or not

**Proposal**

Start a new board and call it "I Love chill TMI" and make me the mod, I won't ban anyone for anything no matter what!

i mean, is the mod of ILNFL going to start deleting threads every time someone posts a negative comment about his/her favorite team? bottom line, if there is a board like 1p3 that isn't dedicated to a specific topic and is more of a playground for a group of ilxors, then fine, treat it like "your" board, etc. but a board that was made for discussion of certain topics shouldn't be subject to the personality swings and intolerance of the mod, and if it is, the mod should be removed.

i really shy away from board lawyering like this, but ffs, i like reading the ILTMI forum, and it sucks to have it hijacked by it's self-proclaimed "owner."

poppage-throwing monkeys

Unless someone talks about plants, I HATE THAT and will ban without mercy for any mention of plants

kate, no problem w/you going to bed obv, but i do think this needs to get discussed. btw i am completely serious about the idea of setting up your board again and giving you mod privs there, if that is a workable option for you.

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kate, 14 mins ago

ffs kate everybody knows i'm admiral kip up in this but do you not have the perspective to see how and why people are up in arms about this? and that your response of NYAH MINE FUCK U JJ is completely juvenile?

i am all for z_s as mod!!!

what the fuck, if bed and breakfast owners don't want homosexuals in their homes why must they welcome them?

This is all in regards to an internet message board about norgs and knobs iirc

i feel like one thing that would help ILTMI is more threads about people shitting

WHO GIVES A SHIT?

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not him, apparently.

WHO GIVES A SHIT?

^^ should be the board descrip

lol

I think about the only response I have to this is "really?" like, it's Easter, have a nice dinner with friends and don't have brain dead stupid ILX drama for a change

strip kate of mod privs or turn another board into iltmi & let kate have i don't mind everything back & it's bevy of posters and interesting threads

i for one am jewish

way to assume everyone here believes jesus is our lord and savior

& yeah it's not kate's board -- idme was kate's board -- iltmi is not kate's board -- when the church gets changed to "i love british football" it's not gonna be rev and abbott's board anymore

u will pry ask dr. freud from my cold dead hands

by kate's reasoning, the church is actual chaki's board, may he rest in peace

never knew people "owned" boards until today

Holy shit dude. If chaki is dead... then this guy on AIM is... a ZOMBIE!

*runs*

If I'm guilty of anything, it's assuming that people will take an excuse to have fun

Ask Chaki!

that's offensive

really? not sure how, but i hope you know that no offense was intended.

dude if i took offence at that then i'd have to take weapons-grade offence like 7 times a day - and ilx would be kinda shitty if that were the case :D

you'd make a lousy jaguar

so what's going on with this now?

What's up? You need me to take care of something?

uh, there was a banning the other day, and then an unbanning, and now Kate's banned from the board, so i was just wondering ...

maybe this is a TMI board regular asking for TMI about TMI moderation?

Oh . . . well I had nothing to do with any of that. As far as I understand it all the sitewide mods can do that sort of thing on ILTMI but so can Tuomas and I. I believe that Kate still had mod privileges on ILTMI too. Maybe she banned herself? I missed whatever happened - sorry I can't be more helpful in regards to that.

- xpost - ha. maybe.

All I can say is - it wasn't me and I don't know nuffin'.

Can one ban oneself?

just wanted to say it wasn't just sarahel wondering bout this, but tbh was fecked if i was gonna be the one to ask.

if you ban YOURSELF, can you unban YOURSELF, because if that's true then your first ban wasn't a true ban imo

kenan said he was just as confused about the whole thing as i am

I don't know guys. Like I said, I had nothing to do with it but it does actually look like you can ban yourself from a board as a mod. That said, I'm not going to hit "ban user" and actually see what happens. Maybe someone who knows more can be more helpful. In the meantime if anyone has any issues on ILTMI and I'm don't seem to be around and posting you can always webmail me. :D

ban kate

i for one do not feel comfortable talking about the modding of ILTMI when kenan can just come in and make a sarcastic quip at any moment.

I wasn't around for this; is there a chance that there was a glitch and Kenan was never actually banned? Did he attempt to post to the thread after the ban and get blocked?

i think so, but i'm not 100% sure

So no one has visibility as to whom banned Kenan or K?

considering her last post to that thread, my suspicion is that she banned herself

no. no one can tell who executed admin actions -- even mods, even for actions that are logged.

I didnt know that, interesting.

A secret cadre of übertrolls engineered that thread to back kate into a corner and leave her no choice but to take actions that would appear controlling, paranoid, and crazy to any outside observers unfamiliar with their devious machinations.

misread machinations as machete - carry on

rip magical supermod menu

I've been down with the flu, so I haven't really paid attention to ILTMI for the last couple of days. I haven't banned or unbanned anyone.

ban l0u1s jagg3r

Okay, I read the thread that apparently lead to all this, so here's my two cents:

Kate, I know that Kenan can sometimes make insensitive comments, and I understand the need to have a women-only spaces, or threads. (I'm all for the "No boys allowed" thred on 1P3.) And I have nothing against deleting pointless "funny" remarks from a serious thread. However, in this case it didn't look like Kenan had actually done anything wrong yet (it's not like he's always insensitive), so pre-emptively banning him from the thread was unnecessary. And it didn't look like the other female posters on the thread wanted it to be women only, so their wishes should've been respected too.

Basically, I don't think Kate should be banned from ILTMI, but at this point she shouldn't be an ILTMI mod. I thought that already happened when ENBB was made a mod, but apparently not. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh Kate, but it looks like the consensus on what ILTMI should be like goes against you mod decisions. I completely understand the need to have a forum to discuss stuff safely, with no fear of any unwanted comments, but ILTMI is still supposed to be an open forum. (Though I have to say the discussion there has mostly been quite good-natured, with little need for moderation.) There are other places on the net where you can have safe discussions. In fact, I'm all for you having your own subboard again, where you are the single mod, and can regulate the threads differently than on ILTMI. ILTMI was never supposed be like IDME, but if the site mods can create a new IDME, I think that would be a reasonable solution to this whole problem.

A measured and diplomatic post... thankyou T.

Measured and diplomatic, with a hint of Finnish faux-naive troll.

lol

eh maybe lock thread?

free dom

K de-modded and removed herself from TMI because the mods she contacted didn't reply to her explanations of why she mods ILTMI the way she does. There's an angry and depressed post on her blog entitled "burn the witch" which you're not going to like if you don't like that kind of thing so I'm not going to link to it here.

I still want to know if the software behind the board was working properly when the thread ban was attempted. I know it's glitched for me in the past and I want to rule out that it glitched here.

kenan was just banned from thread iirc

if you ban yourself or are banned while you have mod privileges you can come back and ban others, at least on subboards, or at least you used to be able to, but thats all you can do

sorry if this has been covered already

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Assuming the software was working correctly, one of three things happened:

- Another ILTMI mod unbanned Kenan; I don't see what either would gain from it, plus both have explicitly stated they didn't and I believe them.

- A sitemod unbanned Kenan; so far, no one is taking credit for this. If someone DID do this, IMO that person should not be a sitemod anymore. No exceptions.

- Someone's figured out how to hack the site. Kind of can't do anything about that unless we can actually prove it and recreate how it was done.

Basically, because the admin log was turned off for ILTMI, there's no record of who did what on the board. The simplest explanations are either a software failure (ie, the site gave the incorrect impression that Kenan was banned, or some subsequent action intended to do something else cleared out Kenan's ban), a user error (ie, when Kate attempted to ban Kenan, she mistakenly clicked off of the confirmation page) or a sitemod failure (a sitemod decided to rescind the ban without, at a bare minimum, notifying the other sitemods as to the reasoning behind the decision). At the moment, we don't have enough information to investigate the first two and no one is fessing up on the third option.

Board policy in recent years has shifted away from giving people private sub-boards. I am not against the idea of a women-only board but I would like to see more support for it from the community before creating it. I have no real opinion on who would moderate it; that should be decided by the people using it.

hmm

hackers, def hackers

kenan was just banned from thread iirc

Who unbanned him from that thread is the question, I think. Kate, ENBB and Tuomas were the ILTMI mods, and they didn't do it. None of the sitewide mods know who did it. It was his unbanning from that thread that upset Kate. I, for one, did not jump in and re-ban Kenan from that thread because I prefer to find out what's going on in a situation before I take any action, unless there's an obvious urgent need. Right now the "who unbanned Kenan" mystery still has the sitewides baffled. I regret that we don't act quickly enough or communicate quickly enough to suit Kate, but frankly, she has a hair-trigger and there's no such thing as moving quickly enough or communicating quickly enough to suit Kate.

Mods don't do, or fail to do, anything in order to spite any ILXor.

xposts, was composing that while HI DERE posted.

- A sitemod unbanned Kenan; so far, no one is taking credit for this. If someone DID do this, IMO that person should not be a sitemod anymore. No exceptions.

i do not share y.o.

surely k8 was acting capriciously, not the mod who restored things. isn't this whole thread pointing out that ILTMI is a board to be modded in an impersonal fashion like ILE or ILM & not according to whims like Stickwaving: The Chinatown of ILX :: The Chinatown of ILX.

i unbanned kenan and throw myself on the mercy of the court

Taking a mod action on a board that isn't being tracked and not telling anyone, including the other other sitemods, about what you are doing is bad modding. If there was a reason behind it, if it had been written up the mods Kate contacted could have communicated better with her. She may still be angry, but there would be answer. As it stands right now, we have nothing to say other than "we don't know what happened". That doesn't help anyone.

If 'who unbanned kenan' is a big question, then 'when/how did kate get ILTMI mod powers back' is another one, i think

as of right now, I am not 100% convinced they were ever actually taken away

actually I wonder if there's some weird cache interaction happening here where attempting to do something at a certain time gets ignored because the site is running maintenance tasks

How long is this clusterfuck going to go on for?

1) I banned Kenan (and a couple of other guys who had posted) from the thread because, as stated, several people on the thread (myself, Nijoli and someone else) said that they felt uncomfortable sharing intimate details of their personal lives for fear of mockery, among other things. Kenan, to give him credit, at least tried to contact me about this, though I was unable to respond, as he did not provide an email address where we could discuss it further.

2) Someone removed the ban. I contacted several moderators asking what the policy on this was. I asked, if I was not going to be allowed to moderate, to have my moderation privileges revoked and to be removed from the board. Only one mod replied, saying that he was too busy with personal issues to get involved (fair enough). There was no other response.

3) When there was no response, I banned both of my accounts from TMI. If anyone had been curious or concerned about that, well, NOT ONE PERSON bothered to webmail or email me or ask me what had happened, they just went straight to opening up the old clusterfuck thread yet again.

4) I yet again wrote to several more mods, explaining my actions yet again, and asking for this thread to be locked. I have been removed from moderation, I have been removed from TMI. I do not know what else you want? A public execution?

I do not understand this thread is kept being kept open for the usual round of clusterfuck, character assassination, grandstanding and just all around fucking drama that gets dragged out whenever my name is even *mentioned* on the mod board, whether I am involved or not. I gather you lot seem to enjoy doing this, because I certainly do not.

I am asking yet again for this thread to be locked since none of the moderators have responded to any of my emails. Enough is enough.

I only just saw the email you sent me after reading this post.

Thread is locked.