post here if you favor replacing our Suggest Ban system with a Killfile system

polls are disabled on IMP??? smdh

anyway, i know we've done the SB debate to death but fuck it. also, i know the answer to this is "go code it yourself" but that's never going to happen, sorry. i bring good ideas to the table, not coding. also, the code for this already exists in the greasemoney app, right??

personally i think it's fucking disgusting that ILX has a "suggest ban" system at all let alone next to every single post, and i know i may be in the minority when it comes to that. but how hard would it be to replace the SB button with a "hide this user" button??? wouldn't that save EVERYONE a lot of grief? other boards employ this to great effect, and it makes for way less "hard work" for mods and less of a butthurt environment.

look if you don't want whiney around, it doesn't mean i should get deprived of one of my favorite posters. i don't get to KIP and cast vote for someone to stay. its fucked up. 51 is as arbitrary a number as 2 or 3 or 5,000. guarantee you there's at least 52 posters/lurkers who would rather whiney stayed around.

so lets do it-- lets try out killfile for a month instead of SB's.

we deserve better!!!!!!!

sounds like u have stumbled upon a suggest unban option

which I would support, kill file wouod make threads flow kinda awkward

this sucks for you gr80 and my heart bleeds but srsly lol

bad timing to start this terrible thread when the suggest ban function has had such a banner day

ugh. gr80 otm

lol i guess but its still stupid, basically disgusting and generates so much fucking noise

basically agree with gr80 - SBs are good for knowing when you're being a dick (my own level has been fluctuating accordingly of late) but if you cross that line then the reality of the ban is pretty barbaric - plus it engenders the sort of tedious debate we nonetheless have to have

also, 'next to every post'...yes, it's really bad karma for the messageboard to be like this, i often think

you should at least have to visit a user's profile to SB them

its fucking gross that its next to EVERY SINGLE POST

which I would support, kill file wouod make threads flow kinda awkward

― fuck wit my dinner with andre day (m bison), Friday, February 4, 2011 2:16 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

agreed but 60 days w/o LJ or whiney does this already imo

how about if each user could see their suggest ban count like a yellow card. maybe they would give themselves a chill pill.

hes gone for 90 days now right?

like itll be summertime

sure, plax. dance on his grave.

in the interest of clarity

did he get the mods to delete those SBs j0rd gave when he got sent packing on the mods love rape ban

i don't really post here often but fwiw i totally agree, lots of my most fav. posters seem to get tagged regularly and it's weird and p. uncool imo

post here if you flavor our pumpkin pie system with a Bread Sauce system

btw i am also a major fan of killfile. dont understand why this needs to be an either or deal when i am right now eating this enormous cake i have.

post here if you favor eating an enormous cake

Slip inside my sleepingbag

FREE WHINEY

i have sb'd fewer than five times during its existence and did not particularly come into contact with whiney, let alone sb him.

but dude has got to 51 three times. he was being a dick, he knew ppl thought he was being a dick, and he continued to be a dick. i don't support a truly perm ban for him, but both he and us will survive nicely during however long his timeout is

who will rep kayo dot now

-_-

the problem is, its not 51 sb's off one huge banworthy dick move. its 3 casual SB's at a time spread over 17 boards.

no one should get posting privileges revoked for 60 days because of some innocent hardmanning and/or opinions4u bullshit

abolish ban culture

we deserve better

i agree people shd be allowed to post what they want

the standard rhetoric is that the SB system is designed to curb low-level dickishness, and if whiney isn't the def of low-level dickishness on ILX then I don't know what

90 days tho right?

Gramey G. Gramsci

can the sugbanned speak?

i would argue that a 90 day ban for low-level dickishness is crazy

yeah this is a lol internet message board not a democratic judicial system, but no one should have posting privs revoked unless they're like outright abusive/ obviously spamming in a way that isnt lol/ posting racist shit/ posting other ppl's personal info

30 day ban is for low level dickishness, 90 day is for low level dickishness repeated to the point of cluelessness

anyway pretty sure whiney is just gonna dig in his heels more. it'll be pretty much whiney perm'd or the removal of the SB system whenever this comes to a head.

Replace SB button with link to DealWithIt.gif

This isn't day care.

its insane either way

unban whiney

give the butthurt a killfile

everyone else dealwithit.gif

lol xposts

also the fuck is up w/ polls being disabled on IMP?

deal with it

i must polltest

goddammit the SB system was designed to remove rude permanently confrontational nob-ends, not Whiney

i see what you did there

he took himself seriously

for reals tho SB was introduced as an answer to "why do mods get to decide who gets banned and we the ppl dont"

the problem is, as nice a gesture it was on behalf of stet and keith to work to code it, its flawed from the outset. 51 is as arbitrary a number as etc etc etc

How come boring people no one will ever miss never get 51'd? ~think about it~

everytime you click "suggest ban" a milquetoast poster gets its wings

max got his wings!!

http://www.britposters.com/images/the%20blue%20max%20320x240.jpg

you should at least have to visit a user's profile to SB them

its fucking gross that its next to EVERY SINGLE POST

I agree with this 100% BUT a killfile only blocks the user, not all the responses to that user. So you'd still get all of the clusterfuck but none of the context.

seems like the ppl who get all up in arms abt sb are the real killjoys. i mean this was a p good punchline u have to admit.

the ppl who want one of the funniest posters on ilx banned are the real killjoys tbh

a) I completely forgot about that
b) I can't believe it still exists

Also, I don't care but are ppl going to yell at you because that was from a 77 thread?

yelling is undemocratic, they should simply ban

ha!

WHAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING?

i recall hearing abt the legal aspect of doms bann - ircc the guy other guy was being somewhat unreasonable - obs not that dom wasnt too - tho tbh i dont really remember too clearly and im sure i never had all the infos - would be curious to hear details

― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:09 (2 hours ago)

The incident you're thinking of is the one he (briefly) boasted about on 77, some lamer political bloggers. There was some kind of legal threat from these guys, I forget the specifics. They asked to have some post that dom had made removed, and even though I thought they were assholes, their request was quite reasonable, so I removed it. I fired him an email asking him to keep this off ilxor, which he did, although he later claimed I'd sent him a strongarm email about the matter, which I hadn't.

There was another incident, much more serious. His habit of constantly making out that this or that person is racist, antisemitic, homophobic etc, always based on the most specious school debating society logic came very close to getting us in serious legal trouble with a british publication, one of who's writers he slandered as...errrr....actually I can't even remember, one of the above anyway. There may be other incidents that I do not know about. I will note that under one of his sockpuppet attempts at reregistering, he posted that IIRC some major grime act was antisemitic, based on evidence that was questionable at best.

This isn't why dom got banned - he got banned for being a consistently poisonous, backbiting bitchy asshole on the boards. This is why he isn't welcome here anymore though.

NEW SUGGESTION

for every new SB, ilx has to let back one of its permanently banned posters. like in the bible

I just realized I already work on a sort of killfile system; if I don't like someone in a thread or don't care for a derail or ven just a convo that bores me, I skip it. If it takes over the thread, I go elsewhere. If ILX is dull, I go somewhere else.

this is the kind of thing that was endlessly hashed out back in the day, but it's always posters who've never actually been singled out or targeted or creeped on who say this.

so wait did the Dom getting some paper mad about things he posted on ilx happen before he was banned, at the same time, or while he was under a tempban that became permanent because of that?

yes.

Dom did not "get some paper mad about things he posted on ilx", he knowingly posted a libelous statement about a notable UK journalist.

It was made known to us after he got banned.

i have no idea why ilx would be liable for that but i mean w/e its not like im tryna get him unbanned

because uk libel laws are nuts

i wasn't on ilx during dom & ethan era--or at the very least just reading random ilm threads & not having any conception of who was who--so i can only imagine what it was like & sometimes happen on old threads & i am still p mystified so to what the great horrible crime was besides just being dicks? something abt having sex w/ some1s girl while reading ilx?

lol that was l0u1s jagg3r

I lurked during that time and ethan was a++ hilar, dom was on some kind of abuser level tho

that sounds like a fair assessment.

dom's most memorable moment for me was after italy won the world cup and he wrote this really heartfelt and sincere post about how much it meant to him and italy...didn't know he had it in him

it was like watching a criminal confess that the reason behind all his actions was because he had been abused as a child or something

yeah i mean just to be clear ethan was never really suggest banned in the way other were, and no one has a problem with him coming back

others*

the worst ethan ever did was suggest fans of undie rap were herbs and front his rap knowledge .....

dude could be a complete cunt when he wanted, tbf, but he was a good poster

i didn't particularly like him either but shrug

I lurked during that time and ethan was a++ hilar, dom was on some kind of abuser level tho

dom was a++ hilar AND a horrible sociopath

dom has no place in a conversation about sb's, as has been made clear it was a mode/site issue. ethan left voluntarily after a totally run-of-the-mill temp ban for image bombing. neither are relevant to this discussion imo.

what I got from this thread (admittedly skimmed over the last week)

1. if we can make the SB button part of the user profile while still retaining the memory of which post the SB is coming from, some people think that would be better. this would mean that there wouldn't be an SB button next to every post.

2. some people think the 51'd should be allowed to post only on I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX; this seems like a good idea to me.

3. Pashmina OTM.

dom was a dick and I never liked him

too lazy to google it, but i called dom 'don' consistently for like 3+ years to see if i could get his goat. goat got got, dom got gone

dom was a++ hilar AND a horrible sociopath

never understood people who thought like this

sometimes, he made very funny jokes

sometimes, he said savage and bitter things designed to hurt people, and generally waged a campaign to drive away people who didn't think like him

-

the community is far better off without his influence, but that doesn't mean old posts poking fun at failed britpoppers or grime acts can't occasionally draw a snicker. life is a tapestry!

I'm tattooing my balls with a stark black NUMBER 51 TO PROTEST THESE FASCIST TIMES

hush

...

Yeah even I came round to Ethan eventually and he was directly spiteful and nasty to me a couple times - but he's sharp and funny and tbh I feel bad I told him I hoped he'd die once, lol.

Dom otoh I never saw any redeeming humnour in and I too am baffled at those who defend him, tho maybe I missed threads/borads where it happened. He purposedfully needled me on multiple occasions though, and for what I dont know - I never ever engaged with him, but he was a straaight-up nasty asshole to me anyway.

He is the only person I have SB'ed ever.

Bring back Kate.

ethan was a real bastard on these boards but in the best possible sense, he was an A+ poster. i liked dom too but then again i don't know about any of this other stuff.

Kate'll come back, she always does.

dom was never anything but reasonably friendly to me; never understood the hullaballoo, but that was back when the inner workings of ilx were opaque to me
ethan sort of established the ilx hardman schtick but he knew his shit

i found dom pretty off-putting at first but after i started to get his sense of humor more i really enjoyed his posts; he usually seemed to be mean about british stuff i don't care about and often in ways that i didn't really understand, so i'll take people's word for it about that.

Dom is a fucking prince and this board is immeasurably poorer for his absence.

idk the way i feel abt when ppl defend dom, is like

i mean when he wrote that borderline rape fantasy abt some blogger chick on a blog entirely devoted to this creepy endeavour and all these guys here were like "ok that blog is creepy, but dom's one was still funny"

also kindof feel like the loose cannon hyperbole of bile is a p easy writing style, all you really require is a kind of base misanthrope and it writes itself. its not partic funny it just seems really losery and sad?

Dom brought a lot of genuinely funny threads/posts on the tawdry horror of modern culture & politics. Also sometimes he said really nasty stuff about people who didn't deserve it. Also sometimes about people who did. I'm not gonna defend his frequent trips over the line into plain bad taste but if ever a poster was picking up SBs for what people thought he'd said, or based on his persona, then Dom was that poster.

my dream ilx is one where no one ever leaves or ever gets banned

so basically u want to trap us in ur neverending party

basically.

me, you, gabbnebb, ethan, tombot (hi tom) hstencil, dom, kate, killy, heave ho, nude spock, nickalicious, roger adultry, s1ocki, JW, ball labs, alex in NYC, squirrel police

everyone

What happened to Alex?

he posts every once in a while.

I'm not gonna defend his frequent trips over the line into plain bad taste but if ever a poster was picking up SBs for what people thought he'd said, or based on his persona, then Dom was that poster

Hahaha no I'm pretty sure it was what he actually said rather than what "people thought he'd said". It's not like he didn't give haters plenty of ammunition.

The central issue here when talking about people like Dom and Ethan is how much of their shit people are prepared to tolerate or overlook for the sake of the good/interesting/funny stuff, and in all the defenders' views that threshold is pretty high.

Otoh you can't blame people for having a much lower threshold, and "deal with it and stop being so easily butthurt" is not really a sustainable way to keep a message board running. In any case it was getting hugely unpleasant and more than a little creepy around the height of meta-bitching circa 2008. The problem with complete laissez-faire where no one ever gets banned is that while it's great in theory but in reality it becomes a place where everyone can be as much of a cunt to other people as they want and that'd kill the inflow of new posters pretty quickly. It's about striking a balance really.

Personally I find it a much more enjoyable place to post now - maybe less funny on occasion, but it's still very funny and hey, we'll get new funny posters. For all the suggest ban clusterfucks, there are fewer clusterfucks about other things. And for every one poster who's been unwilling to or incapable of moderating their own posting style to avoid the SB there are two or three who have.

FWIW Ethan as explained can come back whenever he wants, maybe he just likes his life more without ILX in it, I dunno. I still prefer his posts to all the sub-Trifes.

i pretty much enjoyed ethan 95% of the time and often wish i could set him on some of the indie losers on ilm these days, like an attack dog.

dom was NOT REMOTELY FUNNY - as plax says it was just really mundane auto-misanthrope humour. and his awful "debating" "tactic" of pretending that his opponent was saying something completely different and then just running with that for entire threads ughhhh. you can't really separate out the asshole aspects of his character from the rest because his entire schtick was about being a malicious little cunt. "oh but dom was always nice to me" is the lamest defence tho - like all wannabe bullies he obviously didn't target everyone, and i find it hard to believe that any regular poster could've failed to notice how creepy, bullying and just plain poisonous he could be to his targets.

Miss the hell out of Ethan, and I didn't appreciate him enough when he was here. Dom...I sometimes wonder about his childhood.

This thread has moved into general meta about people who aren't around any more so I'm going to lock it.