The IRA

I'd say the belief comes from the fact that the IRA & Sinn Fein have a massive fund-raising network in the USA which is very good at milking Irish Americans. No doubt many Irish-Americans don't cough up, but enough do to make Sinn Fein awash with cash to an almost frightening extent.

Anyway, like it or not the only way to end terrorism is via counterterrorism so theoretically both sides are right but it's not a very pleasant thing to have to think about.

Who mentioned hypocricy again?

Um, that's sort of what got us into this bout of the troubles in the first place. Post war NI had its own parliament until the early 70s. The domination of this parliament by the Unionists and the massive amount of discrimination against the Catholic minority contributed heavily to things kicking off again 30 years ago.

A hilarious story -- circa 1993 or so, House of Pain gets interviewed, and you might all remember their little Irish-American hip-hop schtick ("Shamrocks and Shenanigans" -- HAR HAR HAR). The Stud Brothers do the interview and ask what they think about the IRA; House of Pain says that they like 'em. The Studs then note that the IRA is rather well known for doing things like finding pot dealers and kneecapping them and the like. The notably pro-pot House of Pain mutter and mumble and never quite come up with a good response.

what about proddies vs the catholics?

religious angle?

kids going to school being reduced to tears?

the way i understood it, the 'why cant it just be a separate state' thing totally overlook the horrible complicatedness of it all?

its been going on for 300 yrs now......can't see a reason for it to stop now....

In a statement to the Stack family early last week, the IRA said its members were acting on orders when they carried out the attack. However, the statement said the attack was not authorised by the leadership of the parliamentary organisation. “Some years later, when the Army Council discovered that its volunteers had shot prison officer Brian Stack, the volunteer responsible for the instruction was disciplined,” the IRA statement said.

Speaking alongside his brother Oliver outside Leinster House this afternoon, Austin Stack told how the family members received the statement last week from a former senior IRA leader at a meeting with Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams.

He and his brother were driven in a blacked-out van to an undisclosed location off the M1 motorway near Dundalk. The ex-IRA leader read the statement to them over a table in the private one-storey house, before asking them to transcribe it for themselves.

Austin Stack said the meeting, over tea and biscuits, followed a series of talks between the family and Mr Adams. He thanked Mr Adams but said the family was still left with unanswered questions.

how fuckin bizarre is this

So I mean

You're an Irish Catholic far enough away from the six counties and young enough to not really know enough about it except that everyone is sick of it and wishes it would stop and eventually it does

And you maintain a high horse attitude to the ra and any who sailed in her. And by and large the remnants of Irish republicanism who remain/ed active are easily thus treated, being little more than the worst type of John Aldridge looking ratlean greyeyed heistman shootist argue marxism in the pub cut off dentists fingers in the back of a hiace maniac. That or balaclava outlet store FCA biyiz who figured drugs and protection rackets was as good a way to see out the Celtic tiger as any.

Sean bean, before getting too beefy was, essentially, a good shout.

But you every now and again get into a wiki spiral for whatever reason- today's stems from a page on the TV doc on the Gibraltar shootings, thence Michael stone, thence Sammy duddy and you get reminded of something we don't, that I've noticed, talk about:

Loyalists.

Loyalists, the paramilitary ones, right, are deeply, deeply fucking weird.

Like, they're fucked in a way that Sean bean doesn't convey.

They're mad max villains.

They've all got fetishes.

The sadism apparent as a modus operandi is disturbing not just in itself but in its repeated and systematic deployment

There's a vernacular out of a malevolent dickens via settler australia that's redolent of an anachronistic martial existence that assumes a cultish, brutish sinister aspect in context.

Each time I find a wiki page that causes me to reaffirm this belief I may post it here, as I'd be curious to see what if any thoughts the yanks have, for starters. Then the UK crew.

The paddies, arah shure we can argue about it again sometime.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_Duddy

Role in loyalism Edit

Duddy was initially known in Belfast for his drag queen act, performing in the city's clubs and pubs as "Samantha". His costume consisted of a long, black wig, fishnet tights, falsies, and heavy make-up.[2] He once performed for British troops on tour.[3]

To avoid any possible implication in the Kincora Boys' Home scandal, Duddy ended the drag act in 1981 under orders from Tyrie, who also told him to grow a moustache and drop his voice.[3]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hester_Dunn

Early life Edit

Rogers was born into a Protestant family in Northern Ireland and brought up in staunchly loyalist east Belfast. She describes herself as "an Ulster woman".[1] Rogers worked for a time as a belly dancer.[2]

Wendy Millar (born 1944) also known as "Bucket" and "Queen of the UDA" is a Northern Irish loyalist and a founding member of the Ulster Defence Association (UDA). She established the first UDA women's unit on her native Shankill Road in Belfast. Her two sons Herbie and James "Sham" Millar are also high-profile UDA members and her daughter's husband is former West Belfast brigadier "Fat" Jackie Thompson.

Another group, the Sandy Row women's unit gained notoriety in July 1974 when its commander Elizabeth "Lily" Douglas ordered her "Heavy Squad" (a gang within the unit who meted out punishment beatings) to bring Protestant single mother Ann Ogilby to a "Romper Room" where she was subsequently beaten to death.[4] "Romper Rooms" were locations where UDA victims were brought to be "rompered" which was a UDA slang term for a torture and beating session prior to "execution"

You maybe don't want to look much further in that last episode if you're feeling squeamish

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Millar_(loyalist)

All of this one, good stuff

Adair heard that Dodds' cousin William "Muggsy" Mullan had been drug-dealing with the Shoukri brothers, Adair's rivals in North Belfast, and so Adair ordered Mullan to pay him a £10,000 fine or leave Northern Ireland. Mullan's family scraped together £7000 which Dodds took to Adair but he refused to accept it and Mullan was forced to flee. Winkie's brother Milton "Doddsy" Dodds met some Adair's men in a bar and asked them why the brigadier had treated his brother so badly but Donald Hodgen punched him and later that night Adair's ally Fat Jackie Thompson led a punishment squad to Doddsy's house where he was beaten with baseball bats. The following day Winkie Dodds decided he had had enough of Adair's erratic behaviour and he and his wife left the Shankill

Following the actions by Jackie Thompson that forced Adair's supporters off the Shankill Road Dodds and his wife returned to live in the area. By this time Dodds was forced to walk with a stick and had difficulty speaking due to his stroke.[35] Nonetheless when asked his opinion of Adair soon after returning to the Shankill Dodds stated of his former friend "he's a fucking wanker".[

They are crazies, but I'm from Scotland so I know that Lowland Scots, I'm one of them, are world champion fanatics and lunatics. By the way:

Give it 20 years. Republican majority will occur. Britain will leave as soon as they get a chance. United Ireland, nice for about a month, then economy is fucked up and people down South resent the North and its citizens

― Ronan, Monday, 24 September 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Five more years, lads.

Thompson remained close to Adair who gave him the title of "Provost Marshal", a role which effectively gave him control over knee-cappings

Was interested in your take for sure tom

Adair would later be assaulted by Irish republicans while attending a UB40 concert.[10]

Interesting to compare with ISIS operatives in Europe, who seem to be invariably scummy criminals and lowlifes.

Adair would later be assaulted by Irish republicans while attending a UB40 concert.[10]

Chuckled at this though. You've got to, really.

The Rathcoole home of long-standing UDA member Sammy Duddy was raked by gunfire; although Duddy was not injured in the shooting attack, his pet chihuahua Bambi was fatally wounded by shots fired through the front door by masked gunmen from Adair's C Company. Adair later admitted in an interview he gave for journalist Suzanne Breen that Duddy never got over the loss of Bambi.[47]

;_;

I'm descended from lowland Scots apparently. Makes sense.

In her book, In Love With a Mad Dog, Robinson stated that after a UDA killing had been carried out, he would become highly aroused and afterwards be "particularly wild in bed".[

Explains a lot about the USA tbh. (xp)

Early years Edit

McKeag's first group affiliation was with the white power skinhead gangs that existed on the Shankill and which were co-opted into the UDA's youth wing Ulster Young Militants.[2] McKeag then became a born-again Christian and married young to a woman named Alison.[3] His interest in Christianity would diminish as he became more involved in the UDA, whilst his marriage also broke up.[3]

According to Henry McDonald and Jim Cusack, the UDA gave an annual "Volunteer of the Year" award to the organisation's top hitman. The award, presented on the Shankill Road and usually consisting of a trophy in the form of a model gun and plaque made by loyalists prisoners, was dominated by McKeag from 1990 onwards and helped to ensure that he became known as "Top Gun" both to his UDA comrades and his republican opponents

see i had an observation upthread that sexual perversity feeds into some of this shit

freddie stakeknife, both-sides (three sides?) player, double agent hitman, up to his neck and subject of major controversies over british collusion in planned and known murders

done for bestiality porn the day

not. fuckin. normal.

obviously a lot of evil bastards in the ra but scappatici is something else. spending your days torturing and murdering for a cause you don't even believe in, torturing and murdering people you know have done nothing "wrong" to cover your tracks.

the internal security unit was one of the dafter organizational decisions of the ra. going from the old structure of brigades and all that, which were an intelligence nightmare, everyone in a local area knowing all their fellow volunteers and where they lived etc. the active service unit model makes a lot more sense. then you give internal security access to everyone, and you get a mole at the top of it. whole organization compromised

love a bit of armchair paramilitarism

A terrible man.

always good to see ye in here lads tbf

I've kind of fallen off my few years of obsession with the troubles. miss it a little bit. lebanese civil war and modern iranian history are the new obsession.

glamour of the continental game trevor

bearded men brought together by their shared love of high explosives, you just never get tired of seeing it

There's apparently the possibility that a couple of volunteers fought alongside the PLO in Lebanon, which I would love to find out more about.

i can't believe it's not ourselves alone

― mark s, Tuesday, January 23, 2018 5:28 PM (ten months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^slept on imo

It did tickle me I admit

arah lads is it yerselves alone thats in it

i would call my dissident group IRA Classic

― khat person (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 17:21 (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Mega-IRA

― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 17:24 (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i can't believe it's not ourselves alone

― mark s, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 17:28 (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yknow you're right mark this was fuckin quality

anyway i came in here to note that now is about the right time in ethan hawkes life and career that he plays billy wright, what dye think

haha, he'd look the part if he slimmed down.

not sure what his attempt at a portadown burr would be like.

better than kevin spaceys crumlin lookit

I really fancied a girl who lived on the same estate as me. She was really rebellious and very much into the struggle. I thought she'd be impressed with my joining the IRA. Needless to say, I got 18 years, went to jail and never saw her again.

— Seán ó Conghaile (@SeanConnolly67) June 1, 2019

you hate to C it

rip u daft cunt

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Frazer

lol

"victims rights campaigner"

Willie Frazer. You utter utter cock: http://t.co/rN2AJEsUMM pic.twitter.com/H8ZstEOQMV

— LAD (@LADFLEG) February 15, 2014

I actually almost yelled at that on this train.

Let’s remember him as he would have liked.

As a Trump fan who thinks the threat to nuke the North could knock the paddies into line
https://youtu.be/fI68I5g1H0A

The time he dressed up as an Islamist extremist to attend court (!) in protest at him being charged under the same hate crime laws as a brown person
https://youtu.be/6RL_eEM3xTA

Or as the guy who goes off at flags?

In May 2012, after seeing the Italian flag being flown as part of a cultural event held in Donaghmore's St Patrick's Primary School and mistaking it for the Irish Tricolour, Frazer accused the school for 4-to-11-year-old children of being "the junior headquarters of SF/IRA youth", stating on Facebook that "I wounder do they also train the children in how to use weapons, for it seems they can do what they wont."(sic) Concerned for the safety of students and the school's reputation, teachers informed police of the accusations and photographs of the school posted by Frazer were later removed from Facebook.

In 2014 Frazer attacked the BBC for having a supposed Gaelic Athletic Association top on the soap EastEnders and that "it glorified terrorism" and the IRA. The top in question turned out to be a PE top from a Ballymena school. When asked if he wanted to apologise for the mistake he refused.

Following the 2013 horse meat contamination in burgers scandal Frazer gave an interview to The University Times in which he claimed horse meat had actually been introduced to the food chain by the IRA five years before the scandal broke. He also claimed that republicans were behind "old fat cows that are 30 months old" being sold for food before adding that "a blind eye has been turned to it" and that "this is the kind of thing that's going on that we're sick of".

oh can't you tell
oh can't you seeeeeee
the IRA will sell auld beef

Just mad I can’t find a video of him dressed up in his sash going “what did you say, you slabber?!”

the hash my father etc

Following the 2013 horse meat contamination in burgers scandal Frazer gave an interview to The University Times in which he claimed horse meat had actually been introduced to the food chain by the IRA five years before the scandal broke. He also claimed that republicans were behind "old fat cows that are 30 months old" being sold for food before adding that "a blind eye has been turned to it" and that "this is the kind of thing that's going on that we're sick of".

fucking hell. dying at this

what a piece of work

I feel a bit sad that how someone who grew up playing GAA in school could become such a bitter human being...some of willie’s greatest hits Chris Morris would find hard to write

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/quinn-executive-kevin-lunney-attacked-and-dumped-on-roadside-1.4022242

legitimate

John Ignatius Quinn, commonly known as Seán Quinn,[1] is an Irish businessman and conglomerateur.

chiefskiss

main suspect in quinn assaults/kidnapping died this morning during a derbyshire raid of his property

sounds big

"The man, who's in his fifties, is reported to have taken ill while police searched his home in Derbyshire."

amazing the info available on him all a sudden

martin mcguinness cousin. fairly notorious bandit, smuggler, atm thief, what-have-you for many years

Member of Parliament for Derby North since 8 June 2017.

"dublin jimmy"

this is a fuckin amazin story tbh

http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2019/10/28/news/john-bosco-o-hagan-i-wish-i-had-never-tried-to-help-sean-quinn-1748052/

drive a cement truck between this article and the final line

for balance, let's remember about the brits:

www.newsletter.co.uk/news/crime/kevin-lunney-abduction-suspect-cyril-mcguinness-helped-ira-bomb-london-in-1990s-but-died-in-police-raid-today-1-9135569/amp

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/crime/kevin-lunney-abduction-suspect-cyril-mcguinness-helped-ira-bomb-london-in-1990s-but-died-in-police-raid-today-1-9135569/amp