OMG, People Buy Records? Vinyl In The News Thread

tsk, promoting radioactive/phoenix releases is bad juju

on the other hand, that's a boss LP

the "amy" comment above makes me want to slit my wrists

y it’s in my apartment. They said, ‘Can we come over?’ I said sure.” Mr. Heaps, 45, still sounds bitter about the demise of his store. “Jammyland ruined me,” he said. “I gave it 16 years of my life. It ruined two marriages. I have nothing to show for it.”

:-(

i just to enjoy shopping there.

Some terrible memes associated with these articles: cds are cold, sterile, soulless objects, the crackle of a well-worn record is what makes it so relatable & loved, etc.

I'm gonna start running a service where for a small fee I can lovingly add some scratches to your pristine records. Maybe sprinkle some dust on there.

just wait, give people time and the CD will become a fetish object as well.

"remember those mix CDs we used to make back in middle school?"

If everyone gets nostalgic for *skipping* cds then the cycle is complete.

"remember those mix CDs we used to make back in middle school?"

judging by the undergrads i teach, this sort of nostalgia is already with us.

it's like deja vu all over again:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/07/nyregion/07vinyl.html

wait, hmv, tower, and virgin are all gone? when did hmv close?

(in manhattan)

i sort of hate the vinyl revival. how all these nonrational justifications for liking vinyl become repeated and repeated as nostrums by sales reps. some of which, as chinavision posted above, is just ridiculous.

"i dunno, vinyl just has that certain... something. something that connects us back to the real things. to our youth. or if not to our youth, then to the real. yeah. it's like, big. you can see the pretty pictures. also it sounds real. and stuff. buy some more."

shoot me if i ever make those sort of arguments.

well, no, don't. but take me to task.

ok, as long as you dont ask me for my actual reasons

i think for me it kinda boils down to "a man needs a hobby" and mine just happens to be collecting records because i love music. vinyl over CD started as a practical thing tbh, cuz when i was a little punk rock lovin teenage kid i wanted to buy 7"s by local bands and shit cuz they were cheaper than CDs, or maybe even the only available product. i still find a lot of things I love on vinyl that are not available on CD, and also the affordability is major. go buy 6 great records for $25 or whatever vs two or three CDs--things like neil young albums, prince albums, stevie wonder albums, are so available and so cheap. it's great for poor youngsters.

classical records for a dime! cds ain't got nothin on that.

some days I wish I did vinyl instead of cds, but some days i don't

plus who wants to buy used CDs? they always look all cruddy and beat up and you feel like an idiot paying more than a dollar for one. six dollars for a used cd? gimme a break. sell it to me for 50 cents and i might buy it. i only buy CDs at thrift stores and only if they are in pristine condition. even salvation army is too pricey. $1.99 a cd. but every once in a while i pick up some good indian music or folk/blues/classical.

i can find mint/pristine classical vinyl that is FIFTY years old for a dollar, but the snoop dog cd you want to sell me at the cd shop looks like snoop took a crap on it and you want five bucks? yhgtbkm!

you can't keep vinyl in binders, makes it harder to steal iirc.

except those 45 binders i guess.

There was a feature on CBC (Canadian News) on vinyl resurgence. There was a lot of footage taken at the record store I frequent most, and I'm pretty sure I was there when they were filming, but didn't watch the feature long enough to see if I was there.

my momz sent me this article in the mail. seniors no what's up:

http://www.aarpmagazine.org/lifestyle/vinyl-records-back.html

But here's my theory: it's the unique imperfections of each vinyl record that make it irreplaceable. After enough plays, a record becomes a fingerprint of your listening experience. Just about everyone who owned the Beatles' White Album wore the thing down to a nub. Your copy, like mine, is a crackling mess through "Cry Baby Cry"—but then it becomes a mint-condition collector's item the moment that unlistenable jumble of sounds the Lads called "Revolution 9" fades in.

fightin' words!

your copy is an individual fingerprint of your unique listening experience and sounds the exact same as mine

they are like snowflakes

hahahahaha that is a totally LOL takedown of rev#9 though by AARP

"The cracks and the little imperfections that pop up seem to enhance the music. It's a way of experiencing music rather than just consuming it."

ffs will people stop saying this baloney

yeah, no one wants beat up records!

i need to get another copy of this, not enough snaps crackles or pops

the cracks and imperfections is why I buy 85% of my music on CD iirc

along with the rest of the world

cracks beat transients i guess

tbh when i started collecting records i would buy most of my records from dollar bins, and so there was always some pops and tics and stuff, but now i pretty much won't buy a record unless it's VG+ or better. i just upgraded a Scorces LP that i've had since college but one night gouged up one side of it. So i re-bought it a few weeks back despite the $20 pricetag; it's a nice record and I'm glad to be able to listen to it w/o that tic every revolution. (revolutionary tic?)

haha I remember you mentioning that on some other thread.

it's always nice to upgrade.

thank you upgraders for throwing away perfectly listenable copies of led zep II and bitches brew in front of ace hardware.

no prob

the problem i have with the annoying pop/crackle romantics is they honestly believe that ALL records sound like that to some degree. that their old beat up copies of tapestry or blue were made that way. cuz that's what they've heard for so long. which is just weird. don't they have ANY memory of buying a new record and playing it for the first time?

i guess i can understand people liking surface crackle somewhat, but pops drive me INSANE

maybe people are just thinking of all the old tv shows and movies when someone puts on a victrola and they hear that crazy victrola noise. even i get a little romantic/nostalgic when i hear some barely audible recording from the turn of the century. or even when i play a 78 in good shape from the 20's. like its coming from another world. but modern records, that's different.

it's kind of like the auditory equivalent of a yule log video

the tunes you love, plus a bonus of psychosomatic crispy ticks and buzz

If the record isn't particularly beaten up, how much crackling can be removed by cleaning?
I have a discwasher bottle + brush thingy but haven't cleaned a record in years.

i use them pretty regularly, but i guess mostly it's cleaning new acquisitions -- the expedit keeps them pretty dustless...

If the record isn't particularly beaten up, how much crackling can be removed by cleaning?

heaps. i have an RCM but i've taken many discs up a listening grade or two with a decent clean

a record with no crackle is a genuinely beautiful thing

what i mean is the crackle all due to accumulated filth? i get the feeling that distortion from having worn down the grooves wouldn't present so much as crackle than muddiness.

crackle is mostly dust and grot yeah, sometimes it can be pressing imperfections or due to needle damage (as opposed to play wear)

secondhand-wise i'm still finding great &/or interesting stuff at decent prices, but new releases/reissues no thanks (with the odd exception)

Still gonna be a while yet before the Earnest New Vinyl Collectors of the aughts start getting divorced, downsizing, and/or dying

yeah but it'll happen
& some kids will get lucky the way i did when a bunch of suckers "upgraded" to CDs in the late 80s
good times, somewhere down the road

Rainbo Records pressing plant closes in Los Angeles. They pioneered the flexi-disk.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2020-01-27/rainbo-records-vinyl-pressing-plant-closes

everything is so fucking expensive and it’s getting worse. Fuck this shit.

yeah flipping through the new arrivals at the local store I saw a bunch of LPs that I could swear were $1-3 back when I started collecting a decade ago that are now priced around $8-12. I understand it in the case of Gentle Giant or XTC, since those bands always seem to attract the more obsessive types and there aren't exactly a ton of copies floating around, but mixed in there was a $12 copy of Thriller, which last time I checked was one of the highest selling albums ever. there was a $7 copy of the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack, an album which every thrift store on the planet used to have a half-dozen copies of. I just spent 10 bucks on a copy of Gary Numan's Dance, which is about the sum total I paid for his first four. I could've gotten Dance for a buck or two back then but I didn't feel like it. It was one of those albums you couldn't give away.

Condition is everything, were these (Thriller, SNF) in great condition? Because I imagine most copies out there are beat to shit.

i don't even bother going through dollar bins/3 for 10 bins or w/e anymore, should i?

i see copies of dance going for $20+ these days

xp
Depends on where you're shopping.

so glad I did most of my upgrading/re-buying in the mid 2000s

it's definitely getting worse

A fire has destroyed one of the two facilities in the world that manufacture the lacquer required to press vinyl records https://t.co/SZHMmJdZM3

— Pitchfork (@pitchfork) February 7, 2020

heh I bumped a different thread but this will do

Sorry, didn't see that!

Much like the squeeze in the run up to RSD, I'm sure it'll be the small labels who really get hit hard by this

man that is a bummer

i see copies of /dance/ going for $20+ these days

i see copies of /dance/ going for $20+ these days

https://www.stereogum.com/2111728/vinyl-just-had-its-best-sales-week-ever/news/

... in the SoundScan era

the guy at the local record store definitely thinks the pandemic has helped the vinyl resurgence...kinda one of the few hobbies you can have right now

Sadly, my favorite spot in Bushwick (Northern Lights on Lawton Street) appears to have closed indefinitely, I assume undone by the effects of long-term quarantine closure. Maybe they're still maintaining their online business, but I'm not sure where that is/was. It was a super solid spot where I bought all my first jazz acquisitions and a lot more besides that, and all at non-insane prices that put every other spot in the area to shame.

(thankfully, the hole-in-the-wall Rebel Rouser, on 'hipster alley' between Belvidere and Locust on Broadway, is still kicking. you don't find as many irresistible bargains, but essentially every single record is labeled as to its condition, genre, great deep cuts, "WOW," "Beat but plays great!" etc. has a solid niche in the vague but comprehensible Nuggets->power-pop->glam->punk zone.)

I love Rebel Rouser, always hit it when I'm in NYC. Been trying to support them online a bit since I'd be sad to see them go.

OTM re:irresistable bargains/labeling. A lot of my record collector friends are super bargain-obsessed and idk I guess I'm different in that, while I love finding a spot with cheap prices obviously, I also dont really mind paying a fair price a lot of the time - as long as I know what I'm getting, trust the grading, etc, plus just liking the store, which RR checks all the boxes for me.

https://djmag.com/longreads/pressing-issues-end-vinyl-revival
no surprises but a good read nonetheless

A month ago a label I like announced one of those "first time on vinyl" reissues....for September. Maybe. It's nuts out there. A lot of the things mentioned in that article don't seem like permanent trends - virtually every industry has been affected this way the last couple years. But the markets sure do seem to assume that a bunch of albums just aren't gonna get repressed. idk if this is gonna kill interest in the format - it seems more popular than ever - but something's gotta give

guess the big question is how many people actually expect to get the record on release day to listen to for the first time, as opposed to downloading/streaming it and then buying it later if they like it. I'm in the former category but I suspect I'm very much in the minority there.

haven't been buying much new vinyl but I'm still annoyed that all this results in a lot of people delaying the release of their new music by 6 months. the Vibe Shift might have already happened and I'm late hearing it!

lol

Not sure what thread to ask this on - does anyone press 140g vinyl anymore? Feel like everything that’s been pressed in the last 15 years has been 180g, which eats up the rubber rings in my spin clean. Is there a reason for this or is it just aesthetic?

180g pressings were originally done by boutique audiophile labels on the premise that a heavier pressing would be less susceptible to warping. I think I've seen more recent info that that's not actually the case. Regardless, it's just aesthetic/prestige at this point. Proper mastering and pressing is way more important.

180g records also have a tendency to put much more strain on the cardboard jacket in my experience, which leads to splits and tears much earlier. and anyway records are heavy enough as it is. not a fan.

yeah so weird considering vinyl pvc scarcity

https://www.washingtonian.com/2022/05/03/the-untold-story-of-the-white-houses-weirdly-hip-record-collection/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/music/2022/08/05/mofi-records-analog-digital-scandal/

discussion here:

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