Cro-Mags, classic or dud

"Yeah, they were slackjawed meatheads"

doug holland was NOT a slackjawed meathead. and neither was parris mayhew. being a doug holland/kraut fan was the original reason why i wanted to hear cro mags in the first place.

one of the ironic things about chuck's posts on this thread - specifically where he says that there were so many bands that did what the cro mags did only earlier and better - is that members of the cro mags DID do it earlier and better. doug in kraut and harley with the stimulators. two great (and pioneering) u.s. punk bands. (though kraut were obviously more successful and influential)

i still dig age of quarrel, but i remember hearing it for the first time and thinking that every song on it would have been so much greater if the bad brains had done them instead! (especially we gotta know which i still love to death but which is really just a clunky bad brains homage with a killer intro)

and i wonder if chuck would give cro mags points for being the only krisna metal band (that i know of) to sample "buffalo gals" in a song. (something i didn't even know until i was on youtube one night. i never really listened to anything after the 2nd album.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/07/nyregion/stabbing-at-webster-hall-shuts-down-concert.html

http://www.boweryboogie.com/2012/07/more-photos-from-cro-mags-stabbing-at-webster-hall/

http://cdn10.boweryboogie.com/content/uploads/2012/07/20120706-2046401-620x465.jpg

hardcore

He does look kinda caveman in that pic.

bath salts?

NYC hardcore and all that surrounded it, always reminded me of flotsam closer to home, that surrounded shit like the Exploited.

Dunderheads

A former member of the hard-core punk band the Cro-Mags attacked two of the group’s current members with a hunting knife in a dressing room before a show at Webster Hall yesterday — biting one and slashing both.

The band was about to take the stage about 8:15 p.m. when tattooed rocker Harley Flanagan, 42, barreled through the East Village venue’s VIP section toward the Cro-Mags’ dressing room, sending nearly 30 guests on the balcony into a frenzy, law enforcement sources and witnesses said.

“Someone was yelling, ‘Get his hands, get his hands, he’s got a knife!’ ” witness Dave Gustav said. “Everything went nuts.”

Several beefy security guards rushed to contain Flanagan, who seemed about to boil over before he entered the East Village venue.

“I talked to him outside minutes before it happened and I knew something was going to go down,” a witness said, according to the Horns Up Rocks website. “He was like a lunatic outside. Next thing I know he’s in the VIP area stabbing people!”

Flanagan, the band’s former bassist and founder, suffered a broken leg by the time security finally pinned him down, witnesses said. Cops handcuffed him to a chair and took him out.

“People started booing him and throwing stuff at him,” eyewitness Justin Brannan said. “His hands were handcuffed but he still gave everyone the finger.”
William Berario, 45, was slashed above the eye and bitten on his cheek. Michael Couls, 33, — the band’s current bassist, who is known in the hardcore world as “The Gook” — was cut on his arm and stomach.

Both members of Cro-Mags were taken to Bellevue Hospital with non life-threatening wounds.

Flanagan, a New York native, was also taken to the hospital. He was hit with two counts of 2nd degree assault and weapons charges.

The melee forced the East 11th Street concert venue to cancel the show, which was part of the CBGB Festival and also featured the band Sick of It All.
“You can all thank Harley Flanagan for ruining the night for everyone,” Cro-Mags lead singer John Joseph McGowan told the crowd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUb9MPhhDec

read about this on adriens twitter last night.

Btw No way harley is 42!!

chill dude

Harley's likely a year or two older. Huge scandal.

“His hands were handcuffed but he still gave everyone the finger.”

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2Lu5LaivAIE/TzH1jpATErI/AAAAAAAAHeU/SRZnW8cwEp4/s1600/Harley7.jpg

why is the new bass player called 'the gook' what's goin on

am i right in understanding that he was not part of the band at the time of the stabbing?

you're saying The Gook was in the dressing room ready to play the show, Flanagan burst in with a knife, The Gook was quickly fired from the band and then stabbed, then rushed to the hospital and reinstated in time to be called "the current bassist" in the story?

Btw No way harley is 42!!

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Saturday, July 7, 2012 8:02 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he prolly is - he was ridiculously young when he started playing in bands etc

you're saying The Gook was in the dressing room ready to play the show, Flanagan burst in with a knife, The Gook was quickly fired from the band and then stabbed, then rushed to the hospital and reinstated in time to be called "the current bassist" in the story?

Heh. I meant Flanagan. Obviously I was a little unclear.

Boy is that guy gonna feel like a dick in about ten years.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, July 7, 2005 10:57 PM (7 years ago)

I wonder whatever became of Earth Crisis face tattoos guy.

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2012/07/08/news/web_photos/08.1n016.CroMags1--300x300.jpg

the EMT in those pics is an old friend of mine

Harley's side of the story...

http://www.nynatives.com/feature/exclusive-harley-flanagan-webster-hall-attack

I don't think I'm buying Harley's story.

John Joseph's rebuttal:

http://gunshyassassin.com/news/cro-mags-john-joseph-harley-flanagans-been-watching-too-many-sci-fi-movies/

I know the American thing is never to believe the accused and worship the "victims", but John's story is changing an awful lot...

I know you've been waiting with bated breath:

Bassist Harley Flanagan has reached a settlement with singer John Joseph and drummer Mackie Jayson regarding ownership of the Cro-Mags name. Flanagan will now perform under the name Cro-Mags while Joseph and Jayson will perform as Cro-Mags “JM.”

See below for Harley’s full statement:

"After many years of confusion, rumor and dispute, I, John Joseph and Mackie Jayson have reached a settlement designed to avoid any further confusion about the Cro-Mags mark and band. I, as the founder of the band and bass player on all Cro-Mags albums (Age of Quarrel, Best Wishes, Alpha Omega, Near Death Experience and Revenge) will be performing as Cro-Mags going forward and have exclusive ownership of the name as such in all commercial purposes world-wide. There will be a three month transition during which time I will be performing as Cro-Mags and John and Mackie’s shows may still be advertised as Cro-Mags as they finalize their name change to CRO-MAGS “JM”. During this transition period, to confirm which band you want to see, please check on our websites or social media pages. As of August 1, 2019, all shows under the CRO-MAGS name (on its own) will feature me, and all of John and Mackie’s shows will be under the name CRO-MAGS “JM”. Thanks for your patience as we wrap this up. Now that we have come to an agreement, I look forward to continuing to deliver music from the entire Cro-Mags catalogue the fans have come to know and love, be able to perform live without confusion and continue to create new music with the distinctive sound that is Cro-Mags."

well that's all cleared up then

I, as the founder of the band and bass player on all Cro-Mags albums (Age of Quarrel, Best Wishes, Alpha Omega, Near Death Experience and Revenge the good one and the other four)