It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back

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heh - the oldies station in Atlanta got bought out and became a hip-hop station - Atlanta's third, fourth if you count the top 40 station, which plays 80% hip-hop (in five years there'll be like two stations in Atlanta that aren't country or hip-hop ie. Atlanta'll be heaven). Anyhow, one thing that distinguishes them from the others is that they'll mix in hip-hop oldies - LOTS of PE.

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

James, how does it sound mixed w/the other stuff? does it stand out or fit in or a little of both or what?

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think the real headfuck really was Fear of a Black Planet, and thinking of that, I think this thread gets it.
I Takes a Nation of Millions... == Licenced to Ill
Fear of a Black Planet == Paul's Boutique

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 10 April 2003 17:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey, I was wondering (after thinking back to when Professor Griff made his anti-semetic comments back in the day) if anyone wondered if their followup to ITaNoM2HUB was going to have to be called:
"It Takes a Nation of Islam to Hold us Back"
Ho ho ho.
(*ducks...runs away*)

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 10 April 2003 17:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

M, I think it's just that I prefer Fear over Nation and Aquemini over Stankonia, ie I'm not really saying that you weren't right for making the comparison. However, my initial reaction was that Aquemini vs ATLiens should have been the comparison, but I can't really back that up other than the fact that there was a similar sonic leap from ATLiens to Aquemini as from Nation to Fear. I'd compare Stankonia w/Apocalypse (both are their fourth album so I must be right!)(Stankonia's better though, comparatively)

oops (Oops), Thursday, 10 April 2003 17:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'd say a little of both - they tend to focus on strictly eighties PE I guess - I've never heard anything after "Terrordome" for instance, but "Don't Believe the Hype" into "Wanksta" wasn't too jarring, actually come to think of it the only thing off of Bum Rush I've heard was "You're Gonna Get Yours" (once), so really when I say they play PE I mean they play Nations 95% of the time. De La slides in alot more smoothly, any Miami bass stuff more smoothly still (it is Atlanta ie. bounce is the order of the day). I'll have to listen more and it occurs to me that just now becoming a hip-hop station means music library ain't fully grown just yet ie. hip-hop oldies may be temporary, but I don't know.


oops fairly OTM there. Stankonia is Outkast's 'on top of the world' album though.

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 10 April 2003 17:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

I still prefer Nation over Fear, but I'm not sure if that's due to the fact that I bought Nation went it came out, it was my first hip-hop record, and I love it more for nostalgic reasons.

The "funny" thing about Professor Griff is that his solo album was produced by a white friend of mine.

hstencil, Thursday, 10 April 2003 17:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

it wasn't an exact comparison--I like Stankonia and Nation more myself--but I think it holds water. point taken, though

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 10 April 2003 17:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

The most enduring element of PE in hip hop is that of Flavor Flav's comic jester figure

Has anyone responded to this claim from the original post yet? I'm not sure I agree...supporting evidence?

arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Thursday, 10 April 2003 17:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ol' Dirty

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 10 April 2003 17:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

ja rule.

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 10 April 2003 17:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

jess, where's your Mase photo?

oops (Oops), Thursday, 10 April 2003 17:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://members.aol.com/dubplatestyle/mase.jpg

ask and ye etc (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 10 April 2003 17:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Humpty Hump
Ludacris(?)

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 10 April 2003 17:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

jess, where's your Mase photo?

I was thinking of *intentionally* comic jester figures...

arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Thursday, 10 April 2003 18:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

...but point taken in any case.

arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Thursday, 10 April 2003 18:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

MA$E dancing in videos = flav's clock pendants?

arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Thursday, 10 April 2003 18:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Listen to Fear of a Black Planet and then Satyricon by Meat Beat Manifesto.

disco stu (disco stu), Friday, 11 April 2003 01:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

or closer to the mark, listen to MBM's 'Storm the Studio', which came out the year before 'Planet' (though Jack Dangers certainly credited Bomb Squad & 'Nation of Millions' as an influence, they are contemporaries). If you like the wall of noise on 'Black Planet', 'Storm the Studio' is one of the only records out there aiming for a similar level of cut-up atonal density... ('satyricon's got good stuff too)

milton, Friday, 11 April 2003 19:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sterling's musicography reminds me of the line from the first album:

For those who lack
The odds are stacked
The one who makes the money is white not black
You might not believe it but it is like that

The first thing you noticed about the song was that no one had ever said things like that in a rap. The second thing was how instantly addictive the phrasing was. The first three lines could be Run-DMC or the Beasties. The fourth line is pure jazz.

It's that combo that makes Chuck swings so hard--much harder than the "great MCs" in my opinion. My first reaction to Nation was that it was too noisy to hear the drums. But then I realized Chuck was the drum.

In fact, I think the fall-off on Black Planet isn't the Bomb Squad but Chuck. Even on the last classic single, the remix of "Brothers Gonna Work It Out," he kinda sounds like he's catching up with the sonics rather than dominating them. "Refuse to lose" is the great exception. I knew a guy who went around repeating that opening over and over again...

Pete Scholtes, Friday, 11 April 2003 20:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Musicology, sorry...

Pete Scholtes, Friday, 11 April 2003 20:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

eleven months pass...
There is an amazing interview with Chuck D and Hank Shocklee in the latest issue of Stay Free about their sampling method and why they gave it up. It's the first interview I've ever seen where they bring any of this shit up, and I can't believe this interview hasn't made more waves.

Anyone have a copy of this in electronic form?

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 25 March 2004 00:54 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.stayfreemagazine.org/archives/index.html

issue 20 not yet online, but I thoroughly recommend buying a copy. even if just for this article, there are so few shocklee/chuck interviews where they talk about their work method anyway

stay free is amazing

(Jon L), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:09 (twenty years ago) link

That site says issue 20 is sold out, too :-(

Anyone got a scanner?

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:17 (twenty years ago) link

I am very curious to see this article as well - I've NEVER heard them talk about this anywhere. With Chuck, interviews are always his socio-political rants and nothin but...

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:19 (twenty years ago) link

jeez, likewise i have never even seen a picture of shocklee much less heard him talk about how he got his sound

hector (hector), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:53 (twenty years ago) link

this really was a good thread

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:53 (twenty years ago) link

I'm pretty sure at least one of the Shocklee's is in the PE Behind the Music.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:54 (twenty years ago) link

speaking of Shocklee I wish someone'd put the dialogue he did with Paul Simon in Spin c. 1990 on the net somewhere

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:55 (twenty years ago) link

oooh never saw PE BTM--how is it? (same as the rest, probably, but still--PE!)

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:55 (twenty years ago) link

PE Behind the Music? Jeez.

"They were a poor, black gang of kids from the New York ghetto, but through a shared love of those crazy negro rhythms, and unimpeachable social consciences, they moved the hearts and minds of millions of white college kids."

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:58 (twenty years ago) link

I remember it being good, Matos. Hahaha are you kidding, N, cuz that ain't the story at all?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 March 2004 02:03 (twenty years ago) link

The whole NWA vs. PE scenario Geir imagines upthread is pretty funny...

NWA (ie, Dre) totally ripped the Bomb Squad production for ZAGGIN4EFIL and the "100 miles and running" EP. Gawd, remembering some of these songs in my head makes me realize just how bad Dre was as a rapper. I'm not sold on his legacy as a producer either tho...

For no reason I want to mention "Jackin' For Beats" by Ice Cube.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 25 March 2004 02:06 (twenty years ago) link

Nah, N. it'd be more like - Prof. Griff controversial comments, "so-called chosen frozen", Sistah Souljah controversial comments, Flava Flav arrested, etc.

Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 25 March 2004 02:07 (twenty years ago) link

Err, yes I am kidding. The only BTMs I've ever seen have been about Alanis Morissette or Shania Twain and have been unspeakably awful and in something approaching the above style. I'm glad the PE one is good!

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 25 March 2004 02:07 (twenty years ago) link

It's definitely more along Broheems lines. But there is a lot of interesting talk from Shocklee and Chuck about what they were trying to do with the music.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 March 2004 02:09 (twenty years ago) link

I haven't had VH1 for ages so I guess I won't get to see it.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 25 March 2004 02:11 (twenty years ago) link

Especially since the only time they'd think about repeating it is Black History Month and well that's over so yeah.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 March 2004 02:14 (twenty years ago) link

BIG ditto to this - speaking of Shocklee I wish someone'd put the dialogue he did with Paul Simon in Spin c. 1990 on the net somewhere

-- Matos W.K. (michaelangelomato...), March 25th, 2004 8:55 PM. (M Matos) (later)

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 25 March 2004 10:25 (twenty years ago) link

Even if Muse Sick N Hour Mess Age (which came out THREE YEARS after Apocalypse 91 - eons in hip-hop at the time) had been great

point of order - it WAS!!!

stevie (stevie), Thursday, 25 March 2004 12:57 (twenty years ago) link

eight years pass...

It Takes a Nation of Interns to Troll Us Back

http://www.npr.org/blogs/allsongs/2012/07/05/156327372/youve-never-heard-public-enemys-it-takes-a-nation-of-millions-to-hold-us-back

Ultimately, I have no regrets leaving It Takes A Nation on what is now an entirely metaphorical shelf. I'll gladly say thank-you, but given the choice, I'm going to blast Drake's infectiously triumphant mp3s every time.

dmr, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 18:47 (eleven years ago) link

ha ha, one of the pitfalls of free will. some will choose death over life every time.

"I hesitate to use the word influence, but the question really has to be asked: other than their perenial place on critic's polls what was Public Enemy's lasting effect on hip hop?"

yeah, I sometimes wonder why more writers choose not to write like Nabakov, or why more running backs choose not to run like Barry Sanders?

nicky lo-fi, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link

It's the ones who write like Sanders and run like Nabokov that concern me.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link

the lex responded

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link

where?

wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link

Publishing this on NPR is definitely trollbait, but I don't have an issue with the kid preferring Drake to Public Enemy. Among all of the comments sputtering with outrage, there was a smart one, I thought, that said something to the effect of "Hey, based on your tastes in current hip-hop, Public Enemy probably wasn't the best recommendation. I bet you'd be more into Tribe or De La Soul."

Never translate Dutch (jaymc), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 19:44 (eleven years ago) link

That was Questlove!

chain the color of am0n (The Reverend), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link

Lex's response, which I thought was pretty great:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2012/jul/17/public-enemy-classic-albums?newsfeed=true

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link

lol NPR really running with this music-troll thing

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 19:52 (eleven years ago) link

That was Questlove!

Quest's comment was also good, but this was a different one.

Never translate Dutch (jaymc), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 19:53 (eleven years ago) link


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