Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

guys, its just murder

god is gay as hell

It'll be the Scientologists having the field day with this one. "We TOLD you psychiatrists are evil!"

your butthole is too small to fuck with god

Wasn't that a Modest Mouse album?

no, you're thinking of Muslims Are Too Gay For Buttholes

glad this thread finally got back on topic

on fn right now dude that worked with suspect saying he was "increasingly agitated about the conflicts in iraq and afghanistan" and was expressing a desire for "muslims to rise up against the aggressor"

i'm real curious to hear what these other 2 dudes are about

13th person now dead.

cousin saying he was not a convert, born & raised a muslim in america. "we're shocked, trying to make sense of this. i want people watching to understand that he was a good american, and we're just as shocked and saddened at the loss of americans as the rest of the country right now. he was not a violent guy. this was a guy that didn't even like going to the firing range."

two dudes taken into custody earlier have now been released!!?

pretty good aim for a guy that didn't like the firing range

Figured they would be.

Xpost to Hoos rather than cankles ffs

muslim angle so far not even being mentioned in news here, thank god.

john carter on fn saying those two men have been released and someone new has been taken into custody. "dozens of reports" from soldiers on site that there were rifle shots fired in addition to the psychiatrist's handgun fire.

sen kb hutch just said that dude was targeting specific people he knew

so, he's a virginia tech alum...

that's just fucking weird. A coincidence, obv, but still.

god fuck this gay earth imo

― how rad bandit (gbx), Thursday, November 5, 2009 6:59 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

when we get our pink uzis, i'll make sure to find you and kill your first, fuckin homophobic shitbag.

btw the shooter is apparently not dead

so crazy

xx-post

woah, what O_O?

when we get our pink uzis, i'll make sure to find you and kill your first, fuckin homophobic shitbag.

― my bach penises and their contrapuntal technique (the table is the table), Thursday, November 5, 2009 8:26 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

"fuck this gay earth" is a little known ilx meme started by cankles

well if cankles said it, it must not be homophobic

also, hope all is well with the fam, hoos. this is terrible.

still isn't funny. sorry.

did he really go to VT?

that's what his cousin said when talking to shep

jeez

assume that's right, it seems impossible that the VT shooting didn't influence him at some level, be it subconsciously or consciously...

fam is ok guys

thx

this is so fuckin nuts we were all panicking a lil at the beginning when they were like "there is a suspect still at large"

CBS news says shooter is alive and in stable condition, being guarded. Friend of mine is a correspondent for Stars & Stripes, went and talked to the guy's neighbors at his apartment in Maryland. They all described him a quiet and polite, wore traditional Muslim garb when off-duty. Stories are suggesting that dude might have been being harassed by other soldiers for being Muslim, called a "raghead," had "Allah" scratched into his car, etc.

So we're back down to one shooter in custody as opposed to one dead, one captured? Bizarre.

Bizarre... and also, I cannot....begin...to....fathom....being a Muslim in the US military. fuckin hell.

it would be interesting to see how this plays out if when he recovers he says "this has nothing to do with jihad and everything to do with me being harrassed like crazy for my beliefs".

especially if he was at least initially specifically targeting certain soldiers

What would Fox news types say if a devout christian wound up in this position I cant help wondering.

It's already happened. they'd ignore it, or brush it off as a lone wacko, same as all the other mass gun shootings by angry white reactionaries in the last year

damn this fucking sucks that he was muslim

I think the degree to which the muslim component gets played up in the news will largely depend on how he answers for what he's done. If he comes out screaming jihad then, well, that is just the last thing this already terrible situation needs. But if his reasoning is more personal, I doubt the media will run w/ the muslim thing. Obv what people say behind closed doors is another matter entirely.

I'm sorta trying to figure out the course of events -- apparently all casualties were in the location of the first reports, but there was a second burst of shooting a half hour later. I suppose it may be that that reflects when Hasan was caught or brought down.

At this point it sounds more like that this guy was exhibiting plenty of bad signals in advance, so (a bit like the Va. Tech shooter) I'd like to know what if anything was done/noted about that. He obviously has a superior officer, so what happened there?

Well, he was a psychiatrist, so he was the one in charge of giving others psychiatric evaluations, not the reverse. A superior officer would probably have to clear all kinds of red tape to get a psych to undergo some sort of third-party evaluation. Just a guess, really.

He or she is still the superior officer nonetheless, though. Not saying said person is somehow answerable for all this horror, just that from the sound of it I would have assumed some action was already taken prior to this. I don't envy that person at all right now.

If the guy were to be made to undergo an evaluation, if he had his wits about him at all he most likely would have known just the right answers to give to stave off suspicion. Not saying that the military doesn't need to keep strict tabs on the goings-on of its fellows, but if anyone were to be in any position to remain under the radar w/ such tendencies, it would be someone in his position.

True but if you have coworkers saying that he was known to be a loose cannon on some matters then it's not like something wasn't known. Well, we'll all have to wait to see what formal details emerge more. The hearsay doesn't sound particularly helpful to his cause, then again hearsay had this initially as a team of three shooters rather than one, so.

Didn't know about the "loose cannon" thing but, obv, yeah, you'd think something like that would have raised some red flags.

There were reports earlier that he'd recently received a negative Officer Evaluation Report, right? Which is rare for an officer, in my limited experience. Maybe even rarer for a doctor. (I assume his superior was also a doctor -- probably a colonel.) Also reports that he'd argued a lot with other soldiers about whether we should continue in Iraq and Afghanistan. But his Evaluation woluldn't be part of the public record, and I'm not sure we'll ever find out why that report was negative -- or why, if he wasn't adequately doing his job, he may still have been counseling or treating soldiers. (Actually, though, do we even know he was treating soldiers? Have any reports thus far on what his military job entailed? Occurs to me that plenty of soldiers he might have been working with may well have been just as apprehensive about deploying as he apparently was. And obviously, he was internalizing their apprehension all along. But I'm also guessing that, as a military shrink, part of his job may have been to reassure them that their fears were unfounded; at very least, he'd be required to be committed to the larger mission, like any other officer. So he was clearly conflicted in multiple ways, and quite possibly in ways that affected his day to day duties as a soldier.)

Actually, though, do we even know he was treating soldiers? - that was just an assumption on my part & it seems you know a fair amount more about such things than myself.

xp..."Have there been any reports thus far on what...," I meant.

Btw, the Virgina Tech connection seems like a red herring to me; the shooting there happened, what, a decade or so after he'd graduated? (Think I'd read 1997 somewhere, unless I misinterpreted something.)

NYT:

“He was doing everything he could to avoid that,” Mr. Hasan said. “He wanted to do whatever he could within the rules to make sure he wouldn’t go over.”

Several years ago, that included retaining a lawyer and making inquiries about whether he could get out of the Army before his contract was up, because of the harassment he had received as a Muslim. But Nader Hasan said the lawyer had told his cousin that even if he paid the Army back for his education, it would not allow him to leave before his commitment was up.

“I think he gave up that fight and was just doing his time,” Mr. Hasan said.

I didnt think it was *that* hard to get out of the forces was it? :/