Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

And the response was...? - I just re-watched the interview, the clip Steve S posted last night at the top of the other thread. There wasn't much of a response, as the commanding officer is essentially being given an open platform to describe his relationship with the suspect (tho the "suicide bomber" comment I was referring to is something that the guy admits was hearsay - I missed that the first time around). It comes to light that the guy likely had some degree of sympathy w/ Islamic extremists. Lest I be misunderstood, I find that greatly upsetting & I hope it gets downplayed, which it obviously won't.

First I've heard of his superior officer saying that, and it doesn't strike me as something an officer would say publicly

I know, very strange, but again, that guy's going to be under a LOT of pressure right now to explain what if anything was done/could be done (per xhuxk's comments). Is pretty weird, though.

But the people I've heard interviewed in his hometown, mainly in the Times -- the imam from his mosque, I believe, and his cousin -- don't seem to have thought that his view of Islam was particularly radical at all.)

"he was such a nice boy... kept to himself mostly..."

From the looks of things now, perhaps he was harboring such sympathies privately or, alternately, his commanding officer is trumping it up as a convenient explanation.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2009/11/wesh--up-to-8-people-killed-at-orlando-office-building/1

better link: http://cbs4.com/national/orlando.office.shootings.2.1296477.html

christ alive

outlier events seem to not be lying very far out atm

what in the hell

guys, we're not men or red-blooded americans if we don't have our guns.

i think one mass shooting a week should really be enough.

I had a feeling the miserable zeitgeist would produce a copycat or two.

My military cousin was stationed at Fort Hood until just six weeks ago and worked in the very building the shootings took place yesterday. Today, I live about 1 hour away from this downtown Orlando shooting and know exactly where it's all taking place. Too close for comfort, really.

A strangely casual detail in this Orlando report:

Steve Olson, spokesman for the Florida Department of Transportation, said one of the DOTs employees, a male, was in the building on official business and was shot.

He is alive and undergoing treatment. Olson would not elaborate on the injury or release the guy's name.

"Yeah, the one dude."

Anyway this shooter's been pretty quickly identified as a former employee of a business in the building, so there's your disgruntled stereotype for the day.

Okay, the guy only worked at this place for a year, and was fired in July 2007. Can't figure out why he'd retaliate after so much time.

The only good thing about these two shooting sprees is that they captured the shitbags alive. I can't help but feel that these spree shooters are just about as reprehensible as people get, and I'm glad as hell these two are going to have to face the consequences of what they've done. Anything to upend the notion of a romantic quick exit for anyone considering this in the future.

xp it takes time for true desperation to build

Is the Corner going to call him a terrorist?

i don't see facing the consequences as a great deterrent for future disgruntled shooters tbh

Okay, the guy only worked at this place for a year, and was fired in July 2007. Can't figure out why he'd retaliate after so much time.

Maybe he got fired for being lazy.

yeah honestly... it won't deter people who are generally planning to kill themselves anyway

Maybe not, harbl, but the fewer instances of the shooter taking a bullet and getting off the hook, the better. Just instilling the notion that they might get out of it alive is a good thing.

Thinking that logic, reason, and weighing consequences plays a part in the decision process behind these events is exactly why we are so bad at preventing them from happening.

Is the Corner going to call him a terrorist?

he's hispanic, so it falls more in lou dobbs' court.

sometimes i think some of these rightwingers secretly enjoy baiting people into being racist and xenophobic dbags because naturally that will result in some blowback from the more unstable members of the maligned groups, which will then allow the rightwingers to crow about how correct they are.

hey ya, sorry gbx for the threat. obviously wasn't serious, i just get touchy about stuff like that.

and to the rest, sorry about being so incredibly tasteless. yallz is right to rebuke me...but plz don't tempban...i'll be more careful with my words in the future. i'm always trying to do this irl and on the internet.

really, this is just an awful two days.

As they brought the suspect out in handcuffs, Higgins said, "he was calm."

After the arrest, the suspect was greeted by reporters just outside the police department's doors.

"Why did you do it?" one television reporter asked.

"Because they left me to rot," Rodriguez said.

He was asked if he was angry at his employer.

"No. I'm angry," he said.

Thinking that logic, reason, and weighing consequences plays a part in the decision process behind these events is exactly why we are so bad at preventing them from happening.

I don't think that's quite what I'm suggesting. If we assume that, even if only on occasion, part of the motive behind incidents like this is to leave a mark or make a statement or acquire some level of notoriety...that doesn't exactly seem like a rational goal if the ultimate step is suicide on top of all of the other lives that have been ruined and wasted. I think there is probably a level of irrational romanticism to the act in the minds of some of these creeps, and (all questions of consequence as a deterrant aside) seeing more instances where other creeps don't get that romantic ending might cause at least a few potential creeps to pause for a bit of reflection. One would hope.

People who do things like this are sociopathic. Sociopaths do not think that rules or consequences that apply to other people apply to themselves. You are making a fundamentally flawed argument.

people like this get shit in their heads that they can't get out. they'll take a minor slight or perceived injustice (perceived because it's actually quite likely not injustice) from YEARS ago and hold a grudge against the person, or the company/school where it occurred. it builds and builds and one day, after shit still hasn't gone right, they'll snap and take it out on people who they feel have wronged them. it's pretty rare i think that people like this get slighted and then go home, get a gun, and come back shooting. when shit like that latter example occurs, i think they typically just kill the single person who they're pissed at. people who kill tons of folks without caring who they're killing (like this ft hood douchebag who killed a pregnant soldier, ffs) spend months, years wallowing in their own sociopathic tendencies.

people like this are always creeps who are totally incapable of realizing they can or have made mistakes, because everything is always everyone else's fault and not due to their own lack of effort, shortcomings, whatever.

I don't quite see it, deric... you've made the decision to kill yourself and bring a bunch of other people down with you in a romantic blaze of glory. (I don't think it's for notoriety, less than anger and revenge or mental instability) Knowing that if you are caught in the middle and survive you'll spend the rest of your life assraped in prison would probably mean more suicides by cop, or dead cops. It won't deter you from pulling off what will almost certainly be a successful mission. But I see what you're saying, this kind of thing might give some pause.

That said, I'm surprised that the two shooters were actually caught alive this time -- can't remember the last time this happened.

I haven't had time to read this thread or weigh in but earlier today two women came running down the corrider here asking in panicked tones whether I had seen "that guy dressed in all black with the backpack" who had just walked by. It turned out to be nothing but with yesterday's events and a security threat here a couple weeks ago (disgruntled employee) that necessitated police presence in the lobby, everyone is really on edge. It was pretty fucking scary until we figured out who the guy was. :(

people like this are always creeps who are totally incapable of realizing they can or have made mistakes, because everything is always everyone else's fault and not due to their own lack of effort, shortcomings, whatever.

^^^ this

2 dead, 2 injured in Tualatin, Oregon

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gjwAYKQegp2KyuNhAp0nzsoxHyQA

Dan OTM re: motive and "deterrence"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8385421.stm
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/78088192.html

4 Lakewood, WA cops (3 male, one female) gunned down and killed in a targetted attack in a Parkland WA coffee shop this morning

...

I called the Lakewood Police Department.

Nothing online has been set up yet for donations, but will be soon.

They do have an address one can send donation checks to:

L.P.I.G. Benevolent Fund
P.O. Box 99579
Lakewood WA, 98499

Make checks to: L.P.I.G. Benevolent Fund

(L.P.I.G. = Lakewood Police Independent Guild)

Jesus, that acronym.

And it turns out the current suspect had a sentence commuted by then Gov Huckabee. (in fairness, the suspect had been arrested then released in Tacoma since)

But...uh, I believe that Huckabee commuted his sentence for RAPING A CHILD? at least that's what i can make out of these news articles.

Huckabee '12

naw it was just robbery huck pardoned him for - suspect is currently free on bail pending his child rape trial in washington xp

WE HAVE TO START THIS MEME PLS SHUT UP WITH THE FACTS

another fucking spree shooting. greeeeeat. *rolls eyes*

Jimmy, no meme needed. Huck 2012 is killed dead. Especially when Mittens is taking notes

Btw, the suspect is now surrounded in south Seattle in Leschi neighborhood.

oh americapaws :(

http://www.komonews.com/news/content/scanner

this is the Seattle Police scanner link... not everything is regarding Maurice Clemmons the suspect but much of it is. Not sure if this will work for you. This thing will go all night PST, so those of you in Europeland or even Eastcoastland may hear of resolution before us west coasters do.

Clemmons was not found at Leschi home. He might be hiding in the U District area, last reported.

Clemmons was shot at the scene of the crime, so he's been bleeding since, and he might be dead.

No ones for sure yet.

http://www.jamiedole.com/gifs/EyeRoll.gif

wonder whats on his ipod