Turner Prize

Also 'conceptual detail' is all about, 'why only the one work?' (answer: because Creed wants the observer to consider their relationship to ONE work rather than have them compare how a few works react against one another) which is a curatorial choice. His, as his exhibitions usually only have one work in them. It's 'why? rather than 'what?'.

***I am only being facetious***

Possibly I should put a little red paper spot by the holes and boast about how much I sold the MCs for...

"The other shortlisted artists were: Mike Nelson, favourite with bookmakers to win, who works with rubbish and exhibited a labyrinth of planks; Richard Billingham, who exhibited photos and videos of his family, notably his alcoholic father who lives in a Glasgow slum; and Isaac Julien, who exhibited short films featuring homosexual cowboys."

There is a better argument for saying that yBa work = made of rubbish. In the late 1980's, when many of the artists of the Freeze generation were leaving art college, they used whatever was to hand, a lot of which materials were others' castoffs. In the Thatcherist climate of the time, using such materials was a fact of life and the political climate informed the work in many ways.

Yesterday I went to Tate Modern with Nick Currie (he was in town for an eye op) and we had a discussion about the nature of elites (they are fluid, not static, and there are many forms of The Elite). Why, for example, do we not bat an eyelash over the elite of sport (unless they misuse their status to bash Asians) but find ourselves gnashing and wailing about the elite of the art world. Is it envy, or something else?

Obviously there are diffs between the elites of sport and art - in fact in the current climate they are almost opposites. Sport is about the application of skills within a strict set of rules. Art - or a strand of it - is about the questioning or removal of rules. I would advance the idea that the well-rounded personality should take joy from both.

i would just like to point out that i got shouted at for saying this upthread. if tom doesn't get shouted at i am going to sulk :):)

One of my favourite works of art is The Rules by Angela Bulloch. It has, among other things, 'handkerchief code' for rent boys (eg. yellow hanky = does water sports).

Art comments on all ideas in society, and rules are ideas of a sort. Formalism is all about rules, d'oh. Sport and art are not mutually exclusive or even opposite; see Mark Wallinger's 'A Living Work Of Art' eg. a racehorse bought by the artist and put in races.

Another interesting comment thrown up at Suzy and Nick's Art Summit was that Western people were clamouring for figurative representation in their art and were confused/angered by a lack of same. This would of course be anathema to Muslims and abstract artists.

Things that amused me about the Creed thing:

Even though I'd stood at the edge watching it for a bit, when I walked across I still instinctively stopped as soon as the lights went out (daytime + clear skies + glass roof = Not actually very dark either). I saw other people doing this.
You can see it flicking on and off from the other rooms. This is PunXor.
As Nick kind of suggested, everyone came in and said "it's a light going on and off" and walked away without even looking at the thing. You'd think after they'd paid their £3 they would at least try.

So yeah, I was expecting to either be bored it by it and/or come up with some silly pseudo-intellectual justification to pretend I wasn't, but it just made me snigger.

The other stuff (that I didn't look at much):

Films: - A short arty dance film featuring semi-naked [possibly] homosexual models, no one's thought of that before. There was more to it than that, but it just seemed like such a dull starting point that I couldn't be bothered (I liked the split scren bits, rminds me of something, Len "Steal My Sunshine" video?).
- Quite pretty, wished I'd remembered the concept at the time
- Isn't this that God Lives Underwater/Roman Cappola video with the fat kid?
- [Didn't watch it really - Old people, ugggh]

Photos: Wasn't trying to link them or make references like Suzy sed, but thought they were nice anyway, if not that special (I liked the girl on the beach one best actually
Forgot about the forth guy - might have been interesting.

[If I got anything right, it's beginner's luck, promise]

The experience of the *freezing* installation in the currently in the Wapping Pump House place is well worth the (cost-free) ticket, too, with the added attractions of Prospect of Whitby / Captain Kidd / Town of Ramsgate diversions. Thames-side drinking, num.

Now I don't count myself among the ranks of the Turner Prize haters, but can anyone think of a more pointless gesture at inclusivity than this? As if the tine panel is going to se a nomination and go "oh yes, XXX's show of YYY at the ZZZ gallery, hadn't thought of that one, stick it on the list!"

If the TP is good for anything it's good for being the stony face of the unelected art elite.

And Mark S's going to the Tate Modern to see the Turner Prize last year.

Still think princess / pea thing is a great idea, though not perhaps quite as great as the urban myths plan.

also bah talitha just phoned to say let's meet for lunch except i was at another desk and didn't get her message till too late = hat trick of turners but the third is tinged with sadness

Miss P, on the other hand...

<3

"Turner Prize nominees form a collective so they all win"

https://www.itsnicethat.com/news/turner-prize-winner-2019-art-041219

the prize is only £25,000?

25k for the winner, 5k for other 3. so they split the 40k total 4 equal ways.