letz talk abt gucci mane

it basically looks like tha carter III formula except that gucci is working largely with his normal producers

or rather he's branching out with big southern rap producers as opposed to big pop producers like siwzz & kanye

and also he won't be singing, and there won't be any stuffy kingmaking jay-z collaborations

true

probably done w/ the 11th hour joints now that he's in jail :(

or rather he's branching out with big southern rap producers as opposed to big pop producers like siwzz & kanye

― house of flying jaggers (J0rdan S.), Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:54 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

and also he won't be singing, and there won't be any stuffy kingmaking jay-z collaborations

― some dude, Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:56 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

already 20x the album carter iii is then

"lemonade" is a total jam

is your ave. ilxor still hating on him?

I've been somewhat wary of gucci but this track is dope as fuck

what are u wary of exactly? our enthusiasm? this track is dope but he has lots of music just like this

Naw, not put off by anyone's enthusiasm but the music I was hearing. (Who do you think I am, Shiply?) I mean, I'd heard tracks by him that I thought were good, but nothing that I unreservedly loved. I haven't followed him that closely, though. I had a feeling he'd have tracks that I'd like more than what I've heard, but my ambivalance toward his basic M.O. made my couple attempts at seperating the wheat from the chaff seem not worth it. I mean, if you can reccomend more Gucci tracks that sound like this, I'd be appreciative.

well, there's nothing that sounds precisely like this one, but there are a solid # of songs in his catalog that are similarly sui generis ... but lyrically familiar.

i mean i would still recommend just checking the burrrprint 3d if you havent heard it yet

yeah, I d/led that but never got around to listening

Naw, not put off by anyone's enthusiasm but the music I was hearing. (Who do you think I am, Shiply?)

ftr, gucci fane zealotry put me off of reading writing about gucci, not listening to his music

yeah, same here

these are some songs that grabbed me as a casual fan fwiw: Perfect Diamonds, Follow Me, Overboard, Walkin' On Ice, No No No, Ha Ha Ha, Dope Boys

other than br4nd0n s0d3rb3rg, what writing are you talking about? j0rdan & i have pretty much just posted lyrics since we first did our piece & noz barely editorializes at all

rob harvilla's voice column was pretty jaded faux-enthusiasm & most everything else on him has been absurd REAL RAP articles like this: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/kyles-files/2009/11/rap-fans-must-choose-the-gucci-mane-cometh.html or nathan rabin making fun of his chain.

i so rarely see ppl "overdoing it" on his rapping -- if anything, fans are way more likely to be like "its just dumb fun shit for riding to"/"its just real street shit" generic gangster rap defense which actually tends to shortchange the music.

if you really want to reduce your last 9 months of writing about gucci mane to transcribing lyrics and freaking out on message boards, be my guest

so what did i say that you think is so out there?

well i mean you're right s0d3rb3rg is more TLDR than anyone else but still you wanting to excuse yourself from the whole thing is ridic

excuse myself from what? i have been otm in this thread

& yes that was a l0u1s jagg3r callback

anyway the words rev and i used were "enthusiasm" and "zealotry," which aren't really specific to what you or anyone else has written professionally

which is simply to say i tend to listen to his stuff and go "that was a hot line" and not "OMG HOLY SHIT GUCCI IS ON ANOTHER LEVEL, KING OF THE SOUTH, FUK U IF U DISAGREE"

if the conclusion we've reached is "enthusiasm made al not want to listen to something" then i think i understand

aside from the all caps thing, dont u agree hes on another level & certainly in the argument about king of the south? or would have been before getting his ass arrested again

honestly im asking this shit because it feels like its taking way way way more *effort* to get music writers to take him seriously as a 'thing' than rap traditionally takes. like ppl have written him off as "oh another popular rapper" without actually trying to figure out what hes doing musically (musically = lyrically, stylistically, etc) & i find it really really frustrating

i mean hes got everything ppl liked about the clipse + a bunch of other stuff going on ... what is there not to like? why is his character so much more objectionable than freddie gibbs writing songs about pimping? its so weird to me -- at least when it was like 'native tongues vs. gangsta rap' arguments of the early 00s you had a feeling like there was an actual moral basis for picking one over the other, i.e. tribe's descendents arent talking about blowing ppl's brains out ... but now critically feted rappers are talking about just that

yeah i agree that it's an uphill battle and it's for a variety of reasons, some of which are bullshit and some of which are kind of understandable. but it kinda seems like you just keep going around in circles of "he's a really good rapper in a way that doesn't traditionally garner critical respectability...so why the fuck aren't you critics paying him respect!?"

i think a lot of the difference from say the clipse or dipset or jeezy or whatever is the slurry enunciation that kinda goes beyond just southern accent (but gets characterized that way anyway) and the fact that his stuff tends to be a little bright and happy and there's not a whole lot of SERIOUS RAPPER IS SERIOUS stuff to champion

i mean i'll be honest i don't see the bfd about "Timothy" and would rather to listen to 90% of his other more characteristic stuff

and even that is not gonna get the internet heads stroking their chins like "Georgia Bush" or something

i really do think that a lot of it has to do with how hard it is to understand him a lot of the time - it's totally superficial obv but when you got blogs posting 16 songs a day it's easy to be like "i don't have time for this," even subconsciously

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^^ Breihan is a giant and has a totally warped perception of other people's height, but wtf is he talking about? isn't Gucci well over 6 ft tall?

i mean i'll be honest i don't see the bfd about "Timothy" and would rather to listen to 90% of his other more characteristic stuff

― some dude, Sunday, November 15, 2009 3:58 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think timothy stands out because its totally not characteristic -- it def has an awkwardness that would probably not seem all that impressive to someone who didnt receive it in the context of his other shit

& like, if you look at how critics approached wayne/clipse & jeezy - for as much as was made of wayne's deluge of music, after carter II he had 'dedication 2' which got that pfork review & some press and a ton high profile guest spots. clipse were silent for years before we got it 4 cheap series, so people could really rally around that and right about that as the big clipse thing that you need to hear - and jeezy had 'trap or die' and then some pretty decent sized major label promoted singles, then an album, then singles, then album etc - with gucci it was really a flood of music that just kind of happened, and unless you were really paying attention and really willing to listen to a lot of mixtape songs, it probably wasn't appealing - i think this is why what david and i did on the shrimp was so praised by commenters & critics & still gets 5 times as many hits a month as anything else we have ever posted - if someone had to try and do that with wayne, everyone would have been like "uh, we know all this shit already" because for the most part, when he was first breaking & before he started to get bootlegged into infinity - he was putting out a sanctioned mixtapes and tons of guest verses on real singles (as opposed to gucci doing songs with yo gotti) - i think tons of people took the "well, i'll wait for the album" approach, which is why even his gangsta grillz - which should've gotten people's attention if anything - didn't even really make a dent in rap or pop crit

yeah it's kind of odd how Writing On The Wall and Movie 2 and even kinda Burrprint 3 never quite got the standard "this is a big deal mixtape" push from the big media outlets or even MTV's lame-ass mixtape daily

i mean even in the rap press the response has been this really backhanded "well, its whats hot, like it or not" kind of thing (altho the rap press is notoriously coastally biased so i guess that shouldnt surprise). i mean, even the MTV list aside (lol @ Drake)

stuff like miss info saying "Its not so much a matter of whether or not I think he’s a emcee for the ages, but its similar to 1997. If you were doing a list then, you could not deny the temperature of Master P."
or that combat jack post where he goes as far as admitting that maybe gucci & oj have chemistry.

its all so twisted

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1626277/20091113/gucci_mane.jhtml

According to Thomas, Gucci's probation for a 2005 aggravated-assault case was revoked because the flamboyant rapper has not completed a court-ordered 600 hours of community service, he's tested positive for marijuana and cocaine during visits to his probation officer, and he has not been getting the proper permission to travel as mandated previously by the judge.

"wasted" probably isn't helping his cause

this is v interesting

"We were able to put up a case and present to the court that yes, he didn't do what he was supposed to have done, but he was going through emotional issues that obscured his ability to think straight," Thomas said. "He never got therapy for the killing.

"When a soldier kills somebody, we give them therapy. When a police officer kills somebody, he gets therapy. When Gucci killed somebody, he never got therapy, even though it was justified," Thomas further explained. "It was legal, self-defense. He's going to continue to deal with those issues. It's not an easy thing to take a human life and [have] it not bother you or concern you. He had to take a human life, but he did not like the fact he had to."

we flexin
in the courtroom, burnin dro
give a fuck about the judge

xp loooool

it's legal? what kind of country you guys living in?

um self defense killing is not legal in british?

i think he's talking about drinking alcohol?

which it's stupid but i guess that could be banned as far as probation goes

huh?

tbf we aint as used to muuuurder as you guyz

i once knew a guy who nearly got stabbed tho

theres no doubt gucci's style & output are drug related, its pretty obv he has a significant drug prob