letz talk abt gucci mane

if the conclusion we've reached is "enthusiasm made al not want to listen to something" then i think i understand

aside from the all caps thing, dont u agree hes on another level & certainly in the argument about king of the south? or would have been before getting his ass arrested again

honestly im asking this shit because it feels like its taking way way way more *effort* to get music writers to take him seriously as a 'thing' than rap traditionally takes. like ppl have written him off as "oh another popular rapper" without actually trying to figure out what hes doing musically (musically = lyrically, stylistically, etc) & i find it really really frustrating

i mean hes got everything ppl liked about the clipse + a bunch of other stuff going on ... what is there not to like? why is his character so much more objectionable than freddie gibbs writing songs about pimping? its so weird to me -- at least when it was like 'native tongues vs. gangsta rap' arguments of the early 00s you had a feeling like there was an actual moral basis for picking one over the other, i.e. tribe's descendents arent talking about blowing ppl's brains out ... but now critically feted rappers are talking about just that

yeah i agree that it's an uphill battle and it's for a variety of reasons, some of which are bullshit and some of which are kind of understandable. but it kinda seems like you just keep going around in circles of "he's a really good rapper in a way that doesn't traditionally garner critical respectability...so why the fuck aren't you critics paying him respect!?"

i think a lot of the difference from say the clipse or dipset or jeezy or whatever is the slurry enunciation that kinda goes beyond just southern accent (but gets characterized that way anyway) and the fact that his stuff tends to be a little bright and happy and there's not a whole lot of SERIOUS RAPPER IS SERIOUS stuff to champion

i mean i'll be honest i don't see the bfd about "Timothy" and would rather to listen to 90% of his other more characteristic stuff

and even that is not gonna get the internet heads stroking their chins like "Georgia Bush" or something

i really do think that a lot of it has to do with how hard it is to understand him a lot of the time - it's totally superficial obv but when you got blogs posting 16 songs a day it's easy to be like "i don't have time for this," even subconsciously

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^^ Breihan is a giant and has a totally warped perception of other people's height, but wtf is he talking about? isn't Gucci well over 6 ft tall?

i mean i'll be honest i don't see the bfd about "Timothy" and would rather to listen to 90% of his other more characteristic stuff

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i think timothy stands out because its totally not characteristic -- it def has an awkwardness that would probably not seem all that impressive to someone who didnt receive it in the context of his other shit

& like, if you look at how critics approached wayne/clipse & jeezy - for as much as was made of wayne's deluge of music, after carter II he had 'dedication 2' which got that pfork review & some press and a ton high profile guest spots. clipse were silent for years before we got it 4 cheap series, so people could really rally around that and right about that as the big clipse thing that you need to hear - and jeezy had 'trap or die' and then some pretty decent sized major label promoted singles, then an album, then singles, then album etc - with gucci it was really a flood of music that just kind of happened, and unless you were really paying attention and really willing to listen to a lot of mixtape songs, it probably wasn't appealing - i think this is why what david and i did on the shrimp was so praised by commenters & critics & still gets 5 times as many hits a month as anything else we have ever posted - if someone had to try and do that with wayne, everyone would have been like "uh, we know all this shit already" because for the most part, when he was first breaking & before he started to get bootlegged into infinity - he was putting out a sanctioned mixtapes and tons of guest verses on real singles (as opposed to gucci doing songs with yo gotti) - i think tons of people took the "well, i'll wait for the album" approach, which is why even his gangsta grillz - which should've gotten people's attention if anything - didn't even really make a dent in rap or pop crit

yeah it's kind of odd how Writing On The Wall and Movie 2 and even kinda Burrprint 3 never quite got the standard "this is a big deal mixtape" push from the big media outlets or even MTV's lame-ass mixtape daily

i mean even in the rap press the response has been this really backhanded "well, its whats hot, like it or not" kind of thing (altho the rap press is notoriously coastally biased so i guess that shouldnt surprise). i mean, even the MTV list aside (lol @ Drake)

stuff like miss info saying "Its not so much a matter of whether or not I think he’s a emcee for the ages, but its similar to 1997. If you were doing a list then, you could not deny the temperature of Master P."
or that combat jack post where he goes as far as admitting that maybe gucci & oj have chemistry.

its all so twisted

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1626277/20091113/gucci_mane.jhtml

According to Thomas, Gucci's probation for a 2005 aggravated-assault case was revoked because the flamboyant rapper has not completed a court-ordered 600 hours of community service, he's tested positive for marijuana and cocaine during visits to his probation officer, and he has not been getting the proper permission to travel as mandated previously by the judge.

"wasted" probably isn't helping his cause

this is v interesting

"We were able to put up a case and present to the court that yes, he didn't do what he was supposed to have done, but he was going through emotional issues that obscured his ability to think straight," Thomas said. "He never got therapy for the killing.

"When a soldier kills somebody, we give them therapy. When a police officer kills somebody, he gets therapy. When Gucci killed somebody, he never got therapy, even though it was justified," Thomas further explained. "It was legal, self-defense. He's going to continue to deal with those issues. It's not an easy thing to take a human life and [have] it not bother you or concern you. He had to take a human life, but he did not like the fact he had to."

we flexin
in the courtroom, burnin dro
give a fuck about the judge

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it's legal? what kind of country you guys living in?

um self defense killing is not legal in british?

i think he's talking about drinking alcohol?

which it's stupid but i guess that could be banned as far as probation goes

huh?

tbf we aint as used to muuuurder as you guyz

i once knew a guy who nearly got stabbed tho

theres no doubt gucci's style & output are drug related, its pretty obv he has a significant drug prob

yep

i mean "i'm a star" was such a massively weird track, its a serious coked up drugged out anthem

alright are there invisible posts or what, what are jordan's alcohol post and that post referring to?

he's tested positive for marijuana and cocaine during visits to his probation officer

my alcohol thing was referring to something inside the article

yeah that much I figured, idk if gucci has a 'drug problem' as much as he just doesn't give a fuck

yah bukowski wasnt an alcoholic he just didnt give a fuck

xactly

lil wayne doesn't give a fuck either, conceivably, but he's slowly killing himself

lol please I like gucci too and I don't want him in jail but the idea of him not doing his community service hours and testing positive for weed because of some emotional problem related to a self defense killing is pretty lol

regardless of the cause, it's pretty obvious that he has a substance abuse problem

l0u1s jagg3r doesn't give a fuck either, conceivably, but he's slowly banning himself

well, im not a judge/jury trying to figure out to what degree gucci's fuck ups are emotional duress vs. general lack of moral direction, but yeah its kinda no secret dude's got a penchant for all kinds of drugz ... "gucci's rollin too"

i guess it's more glamorous/cool to rap about ecstasy instead of cocaine but it's kinda ;_; that gucci does coke

yeah I don't see how that's supposed to be all that shocking or sad but I hope for his sake he at least finds away to get around these tests in the future so his ass stays outta jail

a lady behind me in line at Coldstone Creamery said "burr!" and "Gucci!" to her young son

when you tipped did the employees sing a song to the tune of "wasted"?

i mean hes got everything ppl liked about the clipse + a bunch of other stuff going on ... what is there not to like? why is his character so much more objectionable than freddie gibbs writing songs about pimping? its so weird to me -- at least when it was like 'native tongues vs. gangsta rap' arguments of the early 00s you had a feeling like there was an actual moral basis for picking one over the other, i.e. tribe's descendents arent talking about blowing ppl's brains out ... but now critically feted rappers are talking about just that

― hoos-kingofthedrugs (deej), Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:55 PM Bookmark

may surprise you, but people do make aesthetic judgements

that is awesome xp

oh, I forgot earlier, there was one previous (not quite, but might as well be) gucci track I had previously taken to in a big way. I have gotten a lot of play out of "Make Tha Trap Say Aye", but correct me if I'm wrong, you and ships both seem to hate on that one

purely for gucci mane, it's a mediocre verse - i think it's the best oj verse ever & the remix has a dope cam verse

yeah rev I was in your shoes probably 5 months or so ago, and for the casual skeptical listener your criticisms aren't invalid. listen to burrprint 3 and if it doesn't click just give up tbh

RONG

download the songs i posted upthread, and if that doesn't click, then just give up tbh

only ended up having 7 gucci tracks in my top 50 for pfork this year -- sorta had to shortchange in order to fit anything else in

man, you sent that in already?