letz talk abt gucci mane

we flexin
in the courtroom, burnin dro
give a fuck about the judge

xp loooool

it's legal? what kind of country you guys living in?

um self defense killing is not legal in british?

i think he's talking about drinking alcohol?

which it's stupid but i guess that could be banned as far as probation goes

huh?

tbf we aint as used to muuuurder as you guyz

i once knew a guy who nearly got stabbed tho

theres no doubt gucci's style & output are drug related, its pretty obv he has a significant drug prob

yep

i mean "i'm a star" was such a massively weird track, its a serious coked up drugged out anthem

alright are there invisible posts or what, what are jordan's alcohol post and that post referring to?

he's tested positive for marijuana and cocaine during visits to his probation officer

my alcohol thing was referring to something inside the article

yeah that much I figured, idk if gucci has a 'drug problem' as much as he just doesn't give a fuck

yah bukowski wasnt an alcoholic he just didnt give a fuck

xactly

lil wayne doesn't give a fuck either, conceivably, but he's slowly killing himself

lol please I like gucci too and I don't want him in jail but the idea of him not doing his community service hours and testing positive for weed because of some emotional problem related to a self defense killing is pretty lol

regardless of the cause, it's pretty obvious that he has a substance abuse problem

l0u1s jagg3r doesn't give a fuck either, conceivably, but he's slowly banning himself

well, im not a judge/jury trying to figure out to what degree gucci's fuck ups are emotional duress vs. general lack of moral direction, but yeah its kinda no secret dude's got a penchant for all kinds of drugz ... "gucci's rollin too"

i guess it's more glamorous/cool to rap about ecstasy instead of cocaine but it's kinda ;_; that gucci does coke

yeah I don't see how that's supposed to be all that shocking or sad but I hope for his sake he at least finds away to get around these tests in the future so his ass stays outta jail

a lady behind me in line at Coldstone Creamery said "burr!" and "Gucci!" to her young son

when you tipped did the employees sing a song to the tune of "wasted"?

i mean hes got everything ppl liked about the clipse + a bunch of other stuff going on ... what is there not to like? why is his character so much more objectionable than freddie gibbs writing songs about pimping? its so weird to me -- at least when it was like 'native tongues vs. gangsta rap' arguments of the early 00s you had a feeling like there was an actual moral basis for picking one over the other, i.e. tribe's descendents arent talking about blowing ppl's brains out ... but now critically feted rappers are talking about just that

― hoos-kingofthedrugs (deej), Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:55 PM Bookmark

may surprise you, but people do make aesthetic judgements

that is awesome xp

oh, I forgot earlier, there was one previous (not quite, but might as well be) gucci track I had previously taken to in a big way. I have gotten a lot of play out of "Make Tha Trap Say Aye", but correct me if I'm wrong, you and ships both seem to hate on that one

purely for gucci mane, it's a mediocre verse - i think it's the best oj verse ever & the remix has a dope cam verse

yeah rev I was in your shoes probably 5 months or so ago, and for the casual skeptical listener your criticisms aren't invalid. listen to burrprint 3 and if it doesn't click just give up tbh

RONG

download the songs i posted upthread, and if that doesn't click, then just give up tbh

only ended up having 7 gucci tracks in my top 50 for pfork this year -- sorta had to shortchange in order to fit anything else in

man, you sent that in already?

1st day out
wasted
wonderful
posted a the store
worst enemy
crime wave remix
boi i got so many problemz

wanted to include the big boi/juelz, 'steady mobbin,' '30 inches,' 'gorgeous,' 'walking on ice,' 'overboard,' 'hurry,' 'dope boys,' 'my shadow' etc

when you tipped did the employees sing a song to the tune of "wasted"?

imagining a gucci musical world where people around al constantly break into gucci tracks

i would've hoped that as obviously as gucci partakes in drugz, he'd do so w/o having a drug problem as such.

hes such a ridic hedonist tho ... i cant imagine hes one for moderation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cozpmPM2Hdo

^^^sobriety in song right there

um 'lemonade' is brilliant!

re drugs, it does seem like there's some sort of stigma in the rap community about doing cocaine. like, weed is obviously a-ok (unless you're grandpa clipse--"YOU DIDN'T SEE IT COMIN / U WERE PROBABLY HIGH!"); lean is understood to be dangerous but still cool; ecstasy is sort of questionable like getting your asshole licked but ultimately defensible (is you rollin? bitch i might be), but doing coke is like actually an indication of a substance abuse problem. i'm thinking of that purple haze outtake 'yeo man' by cam where he goes on and on about not doing coke. and i haven't heard gucci talk about doing it a single time--esp. not glamorizing it. it's pretty conspicuously absent from his lyrics. in fact the only thing i can think of is the 'got court in early morning i don't really wanna go, / say i violated probation just because i blew my nose' which is a very sad and poignant line in this new light.

you guys probably know the history of this much better than i do. was there ever a time or a subgroup of rap in which or for whom doing coke was a cool thing?

also, for what it's worth, i've always thought the quantity of blunts gucci's described to be absurd. like sure, i know these guys smoke weed all day every day but stuff like "appetizer: 30 blunts" and "in the club with a half a pound, 150 blunts" were just ridiculous hyperbole. but starting to think those are accurate numbers.

i think doing ecstasy is considered pretty 'cool' or at least acceptable (gucci raps about being on pills - he says "beans" i think - a lot iirc) - the thing about coke is that it's obv connected to crack & the sad, homeless, dirty junkie lifestyle that people like the kingpins sell too. on an egotistical level, you can still be the rick ross-style don if you use coke, lean, x, whatever, but if you're a cokehead you're already down the ladder on some level or you end up ruining yourself a la scarface or, uh, scott storch

i would not be shocked at all if gucci was smoking 30 blunts a day, esp if he's sharing w people

n an egotistical level, you can still be the rick ross-style don if you use coke weed, lean, x, whatever

"banana boat full of blow" in slumber party ... generally its assumed that the blow is for the ladiez, tho, i think?

id heard rumors of gucci's tony montana lifestyle prior :-/ but in light of two probation violations, right after the other, it totally makes sense

fwiw "white lines" by furious five was original (and is still, kinda) pro-blow

banana boat full of blow i always took to be like smuggling. but it's a moot point--that line definitely is not supposed to be about him doing coke. that stretch is one of my all time favs of his though.

i can't think of the instances but i distinctly remember noting, on more than one occasion, him rapping some sort of dialogue in which he was being coy about being on ecstasy. it was like "bitch i might be" but stretched out over several lines. granted, that could be a specific thing about him hiding the fact from women that he meets. but i just feel like in general that there's always a sort of aspect of keeping ecstasy use hidden, either in the words used to describe it or the descriptions of its use themselves

well there's the whole gangster ethos where you're not supposed to get hooked on the stuff you're selling to other people, esp. coke. i've got a very obvious and specific movie in mind but can't think of it, my mind's elsewhere atm

he is def joking about being on x all the time 'rollin rollin rollin we aint slept in weeks'