thanking you Kamandi map
― Jack Kirby's Orangutan Surfing Civilization (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 20:32 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm sure I've said this elsewhere, but I'm pretty sure the pinnacle of Kirby for me is the middle of his run on Thor
― fifteen minutes of iguana time famous (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 20:39 (fourteen years ago) link
EGO! so awesome
iirc the end of his Thor run has yet to be reprinted as a Marvel Masterworks volume, no...?
― Jack Kirby's Orangutan Surfing Civilization (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link
ooh I see Volumes 7 and 8 are out now shut my mouth
― Jack Kirby's Orangutan Surfing Civilization (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 21:22 (fourteen years ago) link
next mongrel thread title: KANGA RAT MURDER SOCIETY
― BACH STARKER (sic), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link
is there a TPB of Kamandi? I've never read the whole thing, only bits and pieces
― Jack Kirby's Orangutan Surfing Civilization (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 22:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Looks like the only collections are pricey Archive hardcovers with the first 20 issues. CBRs of the whole series took about 10 seconds to locate if you're down with that method.
― WmC, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm such a luddite I don't even know what a CBR is
― Jack Kirby's Orangutan Surfing Civilization (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 23:14 (fourteen years ago) link
scans, basically
― WmC, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 23:18 (fourteen years ago) link
eh I kinda hate reading books on a computer screen
― Jack Kirby's Orangutan Surfing Civilization (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 23:23 (fourteen years ago) link
but... it;s the future
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 23:24 (fourteen years ago) link
I can't decide which Kamandi map legend to make my new screen name.
― I am flesh and blood. You are software and circuitry. (chap), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link
http://nerdcityonline.com/2010/01/22/jack-kirbys-visual-interpretations-of-god/
― The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Amazing. A Kirby adaptation of the Old Testament would've been something.
― BTW, I'm frightfully middle-class (chap), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:13 (fourteen years ago) link
this one is more than a little o_Ohttp://farm5.static.flickr.com/4062/4296011324_6331b65011_o.jpg
― forksclovetofu, Friday, 29 January 2010 06:36 (fourteen years ago) link
I've been rereading some Captain Americas from 1968 and really enjoying Syd Shores' inking. Tempted to put him in my top 5 Kirby inkers.
― the end times are coming, but they're just the beginning (WmC), Sunday, 31 January 2010 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link
I used to own a Kirby/Shores Cap America page but sold it cos the inking was SO horrible - muddy, brushy, heavyhanded and not at all faithful to Kirby's pencils (compare to similar vintage Cap stories inked by the far superior Frank Giacoia or Joe Sinnott to see just how much style/detail/power that Shores obliterated). I even prefer Colletta over Kirby to Shores.
Shores' career goes back to the 1940s, and prior to the 1960s he was regarded as one of the top artists at Marvel. I don't think he ever really found a 'modern' inking style that suited Kirby's 60s artwork - again, compare this to Bill Everett, another 'lost' Atlas superstar who did some utterly gorgeous inking on Kirby (and Colan) in the 60s.
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 1 February 2010 10:21 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/business/21marvel.html?8dpc
― forksclovetofu, Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link
the new TCJ site just posted the journal's 1990 interview with kirby:
http://www.tcj.com/jack-kirby-interview/
lots of hilariously splenetic quotes about stan lee, unsurprisingly!
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 27 May 2011 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
GROTH; When did you meet Stan Lee for the first time?KIRBY: I met Stan Lee when I first went to work for Marvel. He was a little boy. When Joe and I were doing Captain America. He was about 13 years old. He’s about five years younger than me.GROTH: Did you keep in touch with him at all?KIRBY: No, I thought Stan Lee was a bother.GROTH: [Laughter.]KIRBY: I did!GROTH: What do you mean by “bother”?KIRBY: You know he was the kind of kid that liked to fool around — open and close doors on you. Yeah. In fact, once I told Joe to throw him out of the room.GROTH; Because he was a pest?KIRBY: Yes, he was a pest. Stan Lee was a pest. He liked to irk people and it was one thing I couldn’t take.
KIRBY: I met Stan Lee when I first went to work for Marvel. He was a little boy. When Joe and I were doing Captain America. He was about 13 years old. He’s about five years younger than me.
GROTH: Did you keep in touch with him at all?
KIRBY: No, I thought Stan Lee was a bother.
GROTH: [Laughter.]
KIRBY: I did!
GROTH: What do you mean by “bother”?
KIRBY: You know he was the kind of kid that liked to fool around — open and close doors on you. Yeah. In fact, once I told Joe to throw him out of the room.
GROTH; Because he was a pest?
KIRBY: Yes, he was a pest. Stan Lee was a pest. He liked to irk people and it was one thing I couldn’t take.
lol
GROTH: You were drafted?KIRBY: I was drafted.GROTH: What year would that have been?ROZ KIRBY: We were married in ’42.KIRBY: Yeah, I was drafted in ’42.ROZ KIRBY: I was married to you…KIRBY: Yeah, I know you were married to me!
KIRBY: I was drafted.
GROTH: What year would that have been?
ROZ KIRBY: We were married in ’42.
KIRBY: Yeah, I was drafted in ’42.
ROZ KIRBY: I was married to you…
KIRBY: Yeah, I know you were married to me!
― am0n, Friday, 27 May 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
I have that issue - was just re-reading it last week
― metally ill (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
its real interesting but boy he comes off like a crank! do people take the stuff he was saying at face value? i mean this has to be bullshit right:
GROTH: Can I ask what your involvement in Spider-Man was?KIRBY: I created Spider-Man. We decided to give it to Steve Ditko. I drew the first Spider-Man cover. I created the character. I created the costume. I created all those books, but I couldn’t do them all. We decided to give the book to Steve Ditko who was the right man for the job. He did a wonderful job on that.
:/
― ( . __ . ) . o O ( cum ) (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
that is not bullshit and other people have confirmed it
― metally ill (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
he did draw the first cover, had previously done The Spider, and was an old man who got somewhat confused. Roz was there basically to be extra memory and nudge him back onto the rails.
― the man who forsook his wife for fap fap fap (sic), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
that he designed the character/costume/drew the first cover is not disputed
― metally ill (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
isn't there more material out there confirming ditko designed the costume?
― ( . __ . ) . o O ( cum ) (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
like kirby designed *A* spider-man costume, but not THE spider-man costume
― ( . __ . ) . o O ( cum ) (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
there's at least like five different accounts - Lee, Kirby, Ditko, Simon, Evanier, etc. - they all agree that he created the costume and drew the image that appears on the cover of Spider-man's first comic appearance
― metally ill (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
not according to ditko, dude.
Steve Ditko: "Kirby had penciled five pages of his Spider-Man. How much pure Kirby, how much Lee is for them to resolve. The splash was the only one with a drawing of Spider-Man. A typical Kirby hero/action shot. But the costume is what is important. I'm uncertain about the abstract chest design. The closest thing to it is the one on Ant-man."
Steve Ditko: "Kirby's Spider-Man had a web gun, never seen in use. The only connection to the spider theme was the name. The other four pages showed a teenager living with his aunt and uncle. The aunt was a kindly old woman, the uncle was a retired police captain, hard, gruff, the General Thunderbolt Ross type (from Hulk), and he was down on the teenager. Next door or somewhere in the neighborhood there was a whiskered scientist-type involved in some kind of experiment or project. The end of the five pages depicted the kid going toward the scientists darkened house."
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_AZaPyN-5kD4/TAz3D1FXQSI/AAAAAAAABaU/Lzh4l7ZI3ks/s1600/2010-06-07_094113.png
― ( . __ . ) . o O ( cum ) (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.povonline.com/jackfaq/JackFaq4.htm
Did Jack design Spider-Man's costume?
No. Steve Ditko designed the distinctive costume we all know and love. Jack did claim to have presented the idea to Stan Lee of doing a hero named Spiderman (no hyphen) who walked on walls and had other spider-themed powers — a claim which Stan vociferously denies.
But for all the things Jack did well, he was not great at being interviewed. He occasionally got carried away or confused. There was one interview where, without realizing what he was saying, he said he'd created Superman. Needless to say, he never really believed that but somehow, that's what came out of his mouth.
This kind of thing most often occurred when the topic veered near an instance where Jack felt he'd been undercredited and undercompensated, and Spider-Man was such a case. In at least one such conversation, he misspoke and claimed he'd designed the costume for the final version of Spider-Man. I'm guessing the gaffe had something to do with the fact that he did pencil the cover of Amazing Fantasy #15 with the first appearance of that costume. There were a number of cases where Jack designed a character on a cover, and then Don Heck or Dick Ayers or someone else drew the interior story, following his design. In this case, however, the cover was drawn after Stan had rejected one drawn wholly by Ditko
Jack knew that. And he also knew what it was like to have someone else claim credit for your ideas. So he very much regretted the error.
― ( . __ . ) . o O ( cum ) (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
hmm well I'll defer to Evanier and claim I'm only half-right then (ie, drawing the cover, doing a rough draft, etc)
Spider-man does bear an uncanny resemblance to the Fly blah blah blah
― metally ill (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
Happy 94th Birthday Mr Kirby
http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/08/thor-158-page18-kirby-original-art.jpg
― Ward Fowler, Sunday, 28 August 2011 09:40 (twelve years ago) link
Lot's more great original Kirby pages here (nice to see Jack's pencil notes at the top of the Odin pic):
― Ward Fowler, Sunday, 28 August 2011 09:43 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/GnMPF.jpg
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i_qxQztHRI (Princess TamTam), Sunday, 28 August 2011 09:48 (twelve years ago) link
Happy Birthday to the King!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6hX21EYFyY
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 28 August 2011 10:59 (twelve years ago) link
Love that pointy-hatted dude behind Odin. He looks MEAN.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Sunday, 28 August 2011 23:00 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A1yJZKDwIRE
^^^interview w Jack Kirby on his 70th bday. amazingly, Stan Lee calls in at the end and they argue about who did what
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
also lol at Lee big upping Watchmen and Dark Knight (and uh John Byrne)
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
really y'all should listen to this, it's very illuminating and kind of heartbreaking
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
I can not relate how wonderful this is, and I'm only about a third through.
― Matt M., Saturday, 3 September 2011 02:18 (twelve years ago) link
pretty amazing interview
― thank got forks showed up (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 3 September 2011 14:50 (twelve years ago) link
I own a Kirby (and Royer) "Kamandi" page. I could seriously part with everything I own in a heartbeat but never my Kirby page.
― Vendo Caramelos A Veces Sin Dinero (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 3 September 2011 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
also touches briefly on Spiderman creation controversy
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 September 2011 02:22 (twelve years ago) link
love that stan is all like "and i guess people will argue who did what forever"um motherfucker, the two of you are on the phone. TELL US
― thank got forks showed up (forksclovetofu), Monday, 5 September 2011 05:56 (twelve years ago) link
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/426184_10150513246450834_127661820833_8941204_1439079736_n.jpg
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
Woah, that's just great. Where'd you find it?
― Matt M., Wednesday, 15 February 2012 19:01 (twelve years ago) link
I got it from Brian Clevinger (the Atomic Robo guy) on twitter. He got it from novelist Adam Christopher. Not sure where it originated beyond that.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
That shot is so good that if it didn't exist, we'd have to make it up.
― Matt M., Wednesday, 15 February 2012 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
facebook'd btw
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 20:07 (twelve years ago) link