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Oy! Too scholarly for me!

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 8 March 2007 00:08 (seventeen years ago) link

As much as I'd like to say that I would be relieved, I would still worry very much over my baby if he had it so I'm assuming you do as well. Still good to hear he has a mild form and that the meds seem to working. Here's crossinger our fingers!

Ophelia has her second *bad* night. She's teething, molars, and still battling a cold. As a result, I think, she wakes up and wants to sleep with us. She refuses to go back to bed and instead she screams and cries. It's not sad wimpering, it's angry crying. So what do I do? No, I don't ferberize, I put her in bed with us. My husband doesn't agree, he finds that we should just leave her crying until she gets the message that she won't be sleeping in our bed. WHAT TO DO!

― nathalie, Thursday, 8 March 2007 08:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't just leave Ava when she's really wailing and has been for 10-15mins; she's been coming to bed with us in the middle of the night fairly frequently recently.

When she had a bad patch like this before, she came out of it and went back to being able to soothe herself when she'd woken from a bad dream/whatever. I know bringing distressed toddlers to bed is considered dangerous practice (i.e. you'll never get them to sleep in their own bed), but I'm not sure of a viable alternative (I don't drive, taking them downstairs just seems like a recipe for an extra 2 hours of being awake, she doesn't have a room of her own yet - she's sleeping in a cot jammed into our office - so calming her in situ, as it were, doesn't really work).

We'll see how it goes in the next week when she moves into her own room and into a real bed...

― Michael Jones, Thursday, 8 March 2007 10:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Terrible night with Alice last night, speaking of. And, also on topic, when I finally did go to sleep I dreamt that she was drowning in the bath :(

― Archel, Thursday, 8 March 2007 11:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Your dream is probably all about wanting to protect her.

Oh, all you poor parents with your sleepless nights. It doesn't last for ever though :)

― C J, Thursday, 8 March 2007 11:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I took my kids in to the local hospital last weekend to visit a friend of mine who is recuperating after an operation. My friend's room was in the new part of the hospital, and her windows overlooked the helipad in the hospital grounds, which was quite exciting. While we were there, the ambulance helicopter brought in a patient - a very elderly, wrinkly bald man strapped tightly to a stretcher - at which point my eldest daughter exclaimed "ooh look, it's Britney Spears"

― C J, Thursday, 8 March 2007 11:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Yep they grow up fast!

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― Dr.C, Thursday, 8 March 2007 11:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, they're gorgeous!

― C J, Thursday, 8 March 2007 11:38 (seventeen years ago) link

aww - ta! The top one is 6 feet tall and has larger feet than me. I got some hand-me-down converse shoes that he'd grown out of the other day.

― Dr.C, Thursday, 8 March 2007 11:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Beautiful children, Doc.

― Michael Jones, Thursday, 8 March 2007 11:45 (seventeen years ago) link

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Couldn't resist posting this one.

― Dr.C, Thursday, 8 March 2007 11:54 (seventeen years ago) link

H gave us a good night's sleep last night - 12 til 9 with wakes for feeds at 2.30 and 5.30. Also we managed to get him to nap in his pram for an hour at 8pm while we ate dinner - up til now we had been eating in shifts as he refused to settle. The trick? Two laps round the block in his pram - we have found this sends him off to sleep like a dream.

On the minus side - we went for a long walk this morning which was lovely, but I don't think my episiotomy was ready for it and now I can barely sit down. Ouch :(

― Meg Busset, Thursday, 8 March 2007 12:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Also you can finally see a pic of the lil fella at a few minutes old - plus read about the birth in gory detail, should you wish to - here

― Meg Busset, Thursday, 8 March 2007 13:00 (seventeen years ago) link

speaking of sleep, I took the boy to a chiropractor, I had a suspicion that the neck problems he had at birth (tortocollis and also his shoulder got hung up a bit during delivery) hadn't fully resolved themselves and maybe that was interfering with his sleep. It helped a lot, I was really amazed.

― teeny, Thursday, 8 March 2007 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Aw Meg, Howie is gorgeous! Such lovely round cheeks already :)

― Archel, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

We're six days behind Meg! Sleeping through the night is possibly in sight!

― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 8 March 2007 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

How are you all otherwise, PP? Please for to let us see more pictures of Miss Beatrice, because she looked pretty darn cute in the first one, and I'm sure it's only improved.

― luna, Friday, 9 March 2007 02:40 (seventeen years ago) link

We're doing all right. Haven't had a solid night yet. You're never really fully prepared, but at least you can prepare yourself to be unprepared, if that makes any sense. I'm really hoping some sort of routine begins to develop, but six days in (and just four days since coming home from the hospital), we're still playing it by ear. Thank you for asking.

And by request, Ms Beeps.

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― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 9 March 2007 04:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Aw, she's beautiful!

Meg - thanks for sharing the link to your blog with Howie's birth story. I enjoyed reading it! And he's looking fabulous as well!!!!

― Sara R-C, Friday, 9 March 2007 05:02 (seventeen years ago) link

We're six days behind Meg! Sleeping through the night is possibly in sight!

WTF! Thank your lucky stars if it happens. Usually it's the baby deceiving you. ;-) They do it once to show you what might be and then the next couple of weeks they wake up screaming. ;-)

Ophelia's molars have burst (?) through. She slept till 6:40. Double yay with hurrah on top. She's coughing a bit now so my husband's afraid she'll develop a lung infection. Worry? You bet ya. However it's much less than the first year, then I freaked out on a daily basis. :-)

― nathalie, Friday, 9 March 2007 07:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, we're a long way off sleeping through the night, I think - he wakes every 3 hours or so demanding to be fed, though luckily he is pretty good at settling down again afterwards.

Main problem at the mo seems to be overproduction of milk on my part - not only am I constantly leaking out of both boobs like a tap, but H seems to guzzle too much at each feed nad make himself windyand grizzly. We had some serious projectile vomiting yesterday, which was nice...

Miss Beeps is beautiful!

― Meg Busset, Friday, 9 March 2007 11:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Lytton's Top Three Current Irritants

1. First mild snuffle, leading to coughing and grizzling.
2. Move onto larger size bottles, which he can't grab as easily - they have slightly harder teats I think.
3. Mum has been ill herself and Dad busy at work so less attention generally.

Lytton's Top Three Minor and Major Pleasures

1. Changing - he loves it: he can roll more easily, he gets toys shaken in front of him, it's great. I think he will grow up to be a nudist.
2. "Heads and shoulders knees and toes" - never fails to get a smile.
3. Being read to - he has learned to bash at a page to "turn" it. (at least we think this is what he's doing)

― Groke, Friday, 9 March 2007 11:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Lytton sounds like a little smasher.

I just tried to compile a list detailing Ava's current vocabulary; excluding Mummy, Daddy, Lulu, the names of friends/relatives/fictional TV & book characters, I came up with 207 words*. I think that's about average but she's not stringing together sentences to any great degree - well, none we can understand (the linking words are her own garbled phonemes). In the ongoing power struggle in the home, she's definitely winning (in bed with us again last night from 1:15 and again from 3:30, ridiculously extended bathtimes) - but we'll get through this. We haven't used the Fisher Price punishment dungeon yet.

(* - I'm generously including words probably only me & Pam recognise - tangaloo for triangle, cattapada for caterpillar).

― Michael Jones, Friday, 9 March 2007 12:29 (seventeen years ago) link

hey meg--I had overproduction for the longest time and it helps to nurse on one side for a while--like until the other side is ready to burst!

― teeny, Friday, 9 March 2007 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

P.P., what a beautiful little girl!

― Beth Parker, Friday, 9 March 2007 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks teeny - will try that, he's been very unsettled and teary this afternoon, esp after feeds, so I suspect it's a bit of colic. Have dosed him up with Infacol so we'll see if that helps.

― Meg Busset, Friday, 9 March 2007 14:43 (seventeen years ago) link

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/148/415373024_6a1fb00514.jpg?v=0

I bought this toy but it's not the handiest thing in the world. Figured she could learn how to walk properly but it's more something to play with when you KNOW how to walk. It's too hard cause it's not wide enough. But we'll use it as a... waddayacall it. Whatever. My English is subpar today.

She's at daycare today. We were tempted to call yet again but decided against it. My husband said to the woman in charge that if O was sick, they could call us. They haven't so hopefully she's been happy at the daycare. Not too sure though cause last time I picked her up, I was near tears as she seemed so... bored is an exaggeration but you know what I mean....

Anyhow I just bought a Sublime and Debbie Bliss book for baby clothes and some Sublime yarn. I know how to fill my evenings: knitting baby clothes.

― nathalie, Friday, 9 March 2007 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link

A walker?

http://www.emoryhealthcare.org/Images/ww_images/senior-walker.jpg

― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 9 March 2007 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha, you're going to feel that old in a month or so.

I noticed that you're doing all the posting. How is SS?

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 9 March 2007 21:23 (seventeen years ago) link

If I can find a walker with a barf bag (sorry!) attached to it, I'm definitely interested. Morning sickness is even worse than the first time. *sigh* I got what I asked for, I guess. ;-)

― nathalie, Saturday, 10 March 2007 13:11 (seventeen years ago) link

My ex-mother in law was a big believer in those hard leather shoes for babies. The white ones—I don't know if they even make them any more. She told me that my older son would not learn to walk right if I didn't put those shoes on him, and she sent me a pair. I threw them out. Awful things.

Dr. C, your children are splendid! My boys were so thrilled when they grew taller than me.

― Beth Parker, Saturday, 10 March 2007 14:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Ophelia is suddenly a little girl! Not that she was a little boy before or anything. Ms Beeps is amazin' and so is Howie. And Alice! Am I forgetting anyone? A bumper crop of cracking kids.

Here's Ava playing in Stambourne Woods near our house earlier this afternoon (monkey backpack restraint deployed because Tallulah was in a Baby Bjorn and we were walking a friend's dog; didn't really fancy chasing her into poison ivy/other people's gardens [it's a very suburban wood]):

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― Michael Jones, Saturday, 10 March 2007 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link

They still make them, Beth. I didn't use them, either, though my mum all but insisted.

Beeps is gorgeous - love those little plump cheeks!

― luna, Saturday, 10 March 2007 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Alex in NYC posted an adorable photo of Oliver on his blog today.

― jaymc, Saturday, 10 March 2007 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow. In the very back of my mind, I was still thinking of Oliver in NYC as being a little infant kid.

That's already been a year? Whoa.

― Pleasant Plains, Saturday, 10 March 2007 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Lovely sweater, too.

― Michael White, Saturday, 10 March 2007 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link

At the pediatrician's my sister saw this other mom who had brought her baby in for his two-week checkup. She had him dressed in those hard-soled shoes, shirt, pants and a BELT.

― Beth Parker, Saturday, 10 March 2007 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

No tie?! Such informality is allowed these days!

― Michael White, Saturday, 10 March 2007 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought belts for babies were illegal!

I still haven't bought Lou hard-soled shoes and he's been walking for six months.

― teeny, Saturday, 10 March 2007 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

My kids managed to learn to walk, too.

― Beth Parker, Saturday, 10 March 2007 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I put leather shoes on. Not always but still do. She LOVES it. Even grabs the shoes as to say she wants'em on. It's certainly not a bad thing to put shoes on, as long as they are well-made. My husband was shocked at the price of shoes for babies. hah. We paid about 90 euros, which is about 110 dollars. (Exchange rate is crap, so just think 90 euros. We also have crazy high taxes.)

He's been walking for SIX months? Sheeit. How old is he again? Ophelia has been *letting go* but cruising is still her main form of going from A to B. She also crawls at an amazing pace. Thank god there are no cops around, or she'd have a speeding ticket. ;-)

― nathalie, Sunday, 11 March 2007 09:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Alice has suddenly decided that life is worth smiling about after all:

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― Archel, Monday, 12 March 2007 10:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh Archel! Don't you just fight back tears of happiness when she smiles? I still remember the first time she turned and smiled at me. It's something you never ever forget. :-D

― nathalie, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Archel, Alice's smile is so gorgeous! I can't wait til Howie starts smiling. At the moment he seems like he is kind of trying, but it could just be wind...

Meanwhile, H weighs 8lb 14oz as of today, which means he has put on two pounds in less than two weeks! He is already growing out of newborn-size clothes, and developing proper (and lovely) baby fat. In less welcome news, his colic has meant some very wah-filled evenings in the last few days. I'm really hoping he doesn't go the full 12 weeks with it - it's so distressing to see him crying, when no amount of soothing / cuddling will help.

― Meg Busset, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Why I'd missed the Beeps photos! Hurrah!

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Those pictures were taken during the five minutes last week that she was actually asleep.

― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Archel,
Beth Parker is going to come over to this thread and start collecting rocks!
Alice is amazing. I am also fond of the pictures of her eating daddy's nose.
Any protuberance is a nipple, I suppose.
I love the milky eyes that infants have - so many decisions to make!
Happy -sad -hungry -poopie. What color should my eyes be? Hmmmmm....

― aimurchie, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha yes Howie had us fooled with that one - the ventouse delivery meant he was quiet as a mouse for the first two days of his life. Talk about lulling us into a false sense of security...

― Meg Busset, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

(x-post dammit)

― Meg Busset, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Has anyone else read Neal Pollack's piece in salon.com about having his son circumcised? Made me mad—the way he capitulated to the demands of his horrible, horrible family. I mean, if he and his wife felt strongly about it, fine, but the way it played out—ugh.
They're going to have trouble with his family sooner or later. May as well bring it on.

― Beth Parker, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

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