Jean-Luc Godard: S and D

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bad people tell bad stories /= stories are bad

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe that's not even godard's notion, but his rhetorical style these days is to alternate between outrageous pith and high-grade obscurantism so who knows?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:32 (eighteen years ago) link

There are certain ILE posters who play that same game. (Insert Ned R. emoticon to undercut the dig.)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link

i think for godard its more like, who has the right to tell what story, and how, usually w reference to the holocaust. i wish hed address like russia or china, get away from the eu 25, actually. i guess occasionally i believe in such a thing as bad stories more than i believe in such a thing as bad ppl. not always

007 (thoia), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link

i like that hes so stubburn, repeats himself, in interviews and the late films, the same quotes again and again, kind of testing the usefulness of language, of simon weil or whatever. i also think they air out a gd deal w rewatching, if theres time to be so willful and antisocial, not minding the pith, probably excusing it

007 (thoia), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

There are certain ILE posters who play that same game

do you mean me???? i try pretty hard not to be obscure, well most of the time. i don't really see a value in being obscure. when i'm being obscure it's because i don't really have much to say or only a little to say and am trying to avoid people coming to that realization. but i'm trying to have that happen less and less.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 11 July 2005 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link

think for godard its more like, who has the right to tell what story, and how, usually w reference to the holocaust.

ray durgnat's posthumous thing in film comment recently was good on this point. for godard, spielberg isn't allowed to make a film about the resistance, but godard is allowed to make a film about the algerian war. hey-ho.

n_RQ, Monday, 11 July 2005 20:00 (eighteen years ago) link

but godard is allowed to make a film about the algerian war.

And Palenstine!

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Monday, 11 July 2005 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link

"Palenstine"?! What the fuck is wrong with me?

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Monday, 11 July 2005 20:45 (eighteen years ago) link

My head now rings with the sound of Buck Owens singing "Palenstine was the first in line, and [fill-in-another-name-here] came up next"

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 11 July 2005 20:47 (eighteen years ago) link

im not sure godard has no regrets. i dont agree w his objections to spielberg but our backgrounds are different. i like the fantasy of a redemptive cinema, of making your film according to moral principles, by altering the form, not the subject. even if i dont find them compelling, or as compelling as the man! its kind of astonishing, his centrality

007 (thoia), Monday, 11 July 2005 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

he does alot of shittalking tho yes!

007 (thoia), Monday, 11 July 2005 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link

do you mean me????

Only in the least denigratory manner possible. It comes from someone who thinks that Godard these days is, as per Network, crusty but benign.... er, neither does that mean I'm calling you crusty. Never mind.

but i'm trying to have that happen less and less.

Whereas Godard appears to be doing it on purpose more and more, I suppose.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 11 July 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

i dont see what we are talking abt wrt godards useless obscurity. is it allusion, disjunction, dbl entendre, metaphor, abstraction, mysticism, fable, wo attribution? im obscure cuz im not talking aloud, victorian, myself. ill kiss clarity and the explicit but i treasure the letter, the communique, the inside joke, btw 2 or 3, the jot to yourself, what any cpl of ppl cn make rt away of a single film. that is in a sense i see something that is not obscure, that is presuming an infinite audience, as threatening to be impersonal

007 (thoia), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 02:05 (eighteen years ago) link

nb ive always thot of godards allusion as a cock thing but its hilarious and wonderful how he justifies it

007 (thoia), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 03:02 (eighteen years ago) link

i think i mention this on every jlg thread. i may even have done so on this one. but it is absolutely key not to get intimidated by the allusions because godard has never read a book in his life.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 07:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Doesn't he appear in Notre Musique reading a book?

Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

He was probably reading a page of a book. To watch him read a book from start to finish, that's a cinéma vérité we'll never see.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:32 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
I just finished the MacCabe book. It was decent, great in parts, but mostly unsatisfying. I would like to read a Godard autobiography!

Should I see La Chinoise?

adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Is that the one about an airport?

Alba (Alba), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link

No it's the one about the young Marxist revolutionaries. Very talky. Kind of dry. Not my favorite Godard.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

i'd hit it. actually i did. it's a satire.

alba -- you mean 'the terminal'.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

it is absolutely key not to get intimidated by the allusions because godard has never read a book in his life.

HE says... Like mid-'80s Morrissey's claims of celibacy, I bet.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link

obv i was exaggerating a bit, but it's something to hold in your hand.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 09:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Cinema is JLG trying to be quoted 24 times per second.

Four Seasons, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 13:29 (eighteen years ago) link

In fact, I would posit that's the only thing that he and QT truly have in common.

Style over oeuvre!

Four Seasons, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 13:33 (eighteen years ago) link

S: the inexplicable terrier in the final shot of Bande a Part.

steviespitfire (steviespitfire), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:52 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I see my library just got a copy of Notre Musique. Should I rent it?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 28 September 2007 18:16 (sixteen years ago) link

I rent it when it ws available at mine. Its so incredibly disjointed -- there isn't enough of that energy you get between the formal stuff and simplicity of any of the message.

Watched "Elegy for Love", and I love the shots -- you still get the feeling he's out there somewhere with his digital camera (or whatever) and just getting his eye working, whether it ends on a film or not.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 28 September 2007 18:41 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

I saw La Chinoise again last night and liked most parts I was awake for.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:12 (sixteen years ago) link

I still haven't seen it yet but school library has the full Histoire(s) Du Cinema, which I'm desperate to see. Also one of my professors mentioned a recent study that proved Godard's quotations usually come from either the first or the last few pages of whatever text he is quoting from. So he's just like the rest of us, really.

admrl, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:20 (sixteen years ago) link

haha i am glad people are doing studies of that sort of thing.

tho i think jlg copped to it himself.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:22 (sixteen years ago) link

"lols i haven't really read marx i was too busy sexing anna karina losers"

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Wouldn't you?

Tom D., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:25 (sixteen years ago) link

well obv.

though i get the impression from the biogs that he wasn't rly, much...

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:26 (sixteen years ago) link

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/culturevulture/vivresavieblog.jpg

Tom D., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:28 (sixteen years ago) link

No wonder she always looked so bored

Tom D., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:28 (sixteen years ago) link

what did he see in Anna Wiazemsky tho?

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:32 (sixteen years ago) link

she was a research project into lefty student youth, kindd of, plus she worked with bresson.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Seven years younger

Tom D., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:35 (sixteen years ago) link

she was friends with cohn-bendit and that lot, and he was kind of fascinated by them. she was possibly an adviser on masculin-feminin, his first film on "that lot". he met a bunch of them at that time, late '65 -- j-p gorin, who he also worked with, too.

i think she's done an autobiography.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:38 (sixteen years ago) link

A compilation of Godard bits would be his greatest film ever, and a project he might himself approve. Other than Breathless and Band of Outsiders and maybe Pierrot le Fou, his films have as many dull or awful moments as wondrous ones.

(I did like Notre Musique a lot though).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 23:16 (sixteen years ago) link

one doesn't have to marry one's research projects!

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 15:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Week-End
Bande A Part
Contempt
Masculin Feminin
A Woman is a Woman

are all wonderful

Alphaville
Breathless
Eloge d'amour

are okay

the rest are either forgettable or i haven't seen them

remy bean, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 16:21 (sixteen years ago) link

hooray: band of outsiders, la chinoise, weekend, most of breathless, pierrot le fou

alright i guess: two or three things..., masculin-feminin, the little bit of histoire(s) du cinema i watched once

buhhh: alphaville, the parts of contempt that don't have bardot in them

sauve qui peut has a funny isabelle huppert getting spanked scene if i recall

impudent harlot, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 16:30 (sixteen years ago) link

i don't know what i think about any of them any more, but i think it's important to see all of his films up to the early seventies, or maybe a bit later. i don't get much out of the later ones that i've seen.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 16:39 (sixteen years ago) link

I mostly find Contempt a beautiful bore.

Tout va Bien is fun! (esp long supermarket take)

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 16:43 (sixteen years ago) link

i think 'alphaville' is one of my favourites, today.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 16:43 (sixteen years ago) link

faves:
Alphaville
Masculin Feminin
Pierrot le Fou

the others i've seen, all lovable in one way or another:
Bande A Part
Breathless
A Woman is a Woman
Week-End
Contempt
Two or Three Things...

sleep, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 16:44 (sixteen years ago) link

I stick up for alphaville, too

RJG, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 18:08 (sixteen years ago) link


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