matter fact, in sort of bro-type ads (dave and busters comes to mind immediately), boyhood and the casting off of adult responsibilities is celebrated!
― it's like 10,000 goons when all you need is a trife (m bison), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 14:59 (fourteen years ago) link
I agree, max, and I think yr right that being aware of which side is being run down by comparisons to the other is crucial to be on the lookout for, but I think there are more charitable views of what "be a man" entails sometimes.
xp Things that celebrate being bros are NOT what the manly ad is about. Most definitely.
What is Dave & Buster's?
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:00 (fourteen years ago) link
men vs drones is the only one of these I could even sort of get behind. I want to see the man as adult camp come up with some nostalgic call to arms on the lines of the ad up top. "hoodie by hoodie, xbox by xbox"...?
― ogmor, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:00 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost to laurel, it is like a video games and wings and beer kind of place, like chuck e cheese for adults...i don't know a comparable analogue elsewhere in the country, but they exist in texas and advertise on a sort of "be a kid again yay!" tip to the 20-30 y/o dude set
― it's like 10,000 goons when all you need is a trife (m bison), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:02 (fourteen years ago) link
Dave and Busters, Laurel. No kidding.
http://www.travelks.com/images/Listing/5840-Co-Ed_Games_media.jpg
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Look at the things men are expected to do in the Kettel 1 ad: they are all things that are WORK for them, and that benefit others. Now, whether some of them are the best solution to the world's problems is debateable (why hello dere, Promise Keeprs), but those commands are not about having fun or being irresponsible. It's more like they're telling you, Your life is best when it's devoted to others. Go and see where your strength and skills can be put to use.
This, at it's best and not in a shitty ad way, is kind of amazing for everyone, plus I wouldn't be too bothered by the gender component of that. Mostly because anyone for whom a life of service was a desirable thing, is probably not too bothered about exactly who does what in reality.
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:04 (fourteen years ago) link
With Dave & Busters and Ketel One, I think part of the idea is that "we validate your thoughts and feelings--wanting to be a kid, wanting to be a cad--that aren't being validated around you, whether by your boss, your wife, your kids, etc.--and by validating those feelings in a safe way (i.e., don't leave your family, don't screw around) we will complete you as a man. Come off to the Ketel One woods with us, and you will return complete and confident--not changed, but with your internal self more merged with your social self. We'll make you a complete man."
― Action Orientation (Eazy), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link
OK wait I think I misunderstood something: what is the original ad with all the words on it for?
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:07 (fourteen years ago) link
man pants iirc
― it's like 10,000 goons when all you need is a trife (m bison), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Is that a Levi's ad? Some of it looks like their web design.
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:08 (fourteen years ago) link
xps to max & bison yeah i'll accept that's more than fair in view of the ads in question.
― Louis Cll (darraghmac), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:08 (fourteen years ago) link
kerouac wore khakis; ginsberg wore corduroys
― elmo leonard (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:10 (fourteen years ago) link
http://fashiontribes.typepad.com/main/images/allen_ginsberg.jpgGinsberg wore OshKosh B'Gosh.
― Action Orientation (Eazy), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:13 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't think the dockers ad is so much an advert for selfless heroism so much as identifying selfless heroism as a trait on a par with "not being a fag" in the modern definition of being a MAN.
― ogmor, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:16 (fourteen years ago) link
lol xp
― what u think i steen for to push a crawfish? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:18 (fourteen years ago) link
That Dockers ad is hilariously stupid. I associate wearing Dockers with being in high school so the whole "BE A MAN" thing is pretty much entirely undercut by the fact that I was a child intentionally buying conservative pants that I could wear wit combat boots and Cure t-shirts.
― wtf?!? just randomly started crying! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:18 (fourteen years ago) link
I wish Harry Stein's Esquire article from 1994 about the "post-sensitive man" (Clinton and Lyle Lovett as examples, leading the way for Obama and Cloon) was on-line somewhere. Instead, there's just coverage of it from the NY Times:
The May issue trumpets the ascendance of the Post-Sensitive Man, one who treats women with respect but no longer needs to feel guilty "for the crime of simply thinking and feeling as men always have," as the article's author, Harry Stein, puts it.
The Sensitive Man, who re-created himself in response to feminism -- condemning the macho spirit, proclaiming emotional openness and purging prurient thoughts -- was always something of a fraud, asserts Mr. Stein, who is 45 and married. What's more, everyone was still dissatisfied, anyway. He suggests optimistically that today, in the easy-going acceptance of the inner differences between men and women and an end to self-righteousness on all sides, lies the possibility of "genuine understanding between the sexes."
― Action Orientation (Eazy), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:24 (fourteen years ago) link
where do buffed out dudes in brightly-colored MMA bootyshorts and foil-pressed images of brass knuckles on $175 tshirts enter into this masculinity discussion?
― elmo leonard (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:25 (fourteen years ago) link
around 2007 i think
― max, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:27 (fourteen years ago) link
o i thought you said "when"--should have responded, "around the metropolitan ave stop"
― max, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:28 (fourteen years ago) link
i <3 you, max
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Results 1 - 10 of about 65,100 for "sensitive new-age man". (0.37 seconds)
― Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:36 (fourteen years ago) link
just curious what macho-khakism has to do with peacocking MMA dudes, if anything. is there a shift because of the economy? who's the REAL fag here??
(also just trying to bring up that there are many masculinities in the culture and talking in monolithic terms is oversimplifying the picture.)
― elmo leonard (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:36 (fourteen years ago) link
like old western, mustache, strong silent type man or international playboy sophisticate type man or athletic and muscles MMA type or etc etc?
― it's like 10,000 goons when all you need is a trife (m bison), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:49 (fourteen years ago) link
ads for the marines feel like a combo of all three for me (not so much the second)
― it's like 10,000 goons when all you need is a trife (m bison), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link
military ads are like the ideal masculine ads, and they combine the commitment to serving others impulse laurel described earlier with the "plus you can be macho and blow shit up" impulse of...i dunno, mma and dave and busters ok i am grasping at straws on that i think
― it's like 10,000 goons when all you need is a trife (m bison), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:53 (fourteen years ago) link
So what type of pants do you all wear on the weekends?
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link
wait, you can blow shit up at Dave & Busters??????????????????
― wtf?!? just randomly started crying! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link
piloting a drone is just like d&bs afaik
― what u think i steen for to push a crawfish? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Problem w/the premise here, in that if u are wearing pants on the weekend u are misunderstanding the concept of "weekend."
― james cameron gargameled my boner for life (Pancakes Hackman), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:56 (fourteen years ago) link
I guess you do your grocery shopping on Wednesdays, then.
― wtf?!? just randomly started crying! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:57 (fourteen years ago) link
i shop at an exclusive men's only pantsless grocery store fyi
― it's like 10,000 goons when all you need is a trife (m bison), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:57 (fourteen years ago) link
fuck it, let's blame all this bullshit on Fight Club
― elmo leonard (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:57 (fourteen years ago) link
eh why do that when can blame it on feminism and vote republican for the rest of our lives
― max, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:58 (fourteen years ago) link
"you are not your goddamn khakis"
― elmo leonard (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:59 (fourteen years ago) link
real men use plastic forks! what are you supposed to do during the Real Man (TM) activity of BBQing????
― eight woofers in the trunk sb'n down the block (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:01 (fourteen years ago) link
use big steel fuck-off ones, that's if you just don't use mammoth tusks.
― Louis Cll (darraghmac), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link
man all these years i might has well have been holding my BBQ tongs with my vagina : (
― eight woofers in the trunk sb'n down the block (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link
how the hell does one BBQ with a plastic fork???????
men, we are all doomed
― wtf?!? just randomly started crying! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:03 (fourteen years ago) link
metal forks are best if you have a lady to wash them and can thus avoid the castrating effects of dishwater
― elmo leonard (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:04 (fourteen years ago) link
you BBQ with steel implements of doom
you eat BBQ with yr goddamned BARE HANDS
rawr
― wtf?!? just randomly started crying! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:05 (fourteen years ago) link
surely you chain saw the meat into pieces before shoving the whole lot into your mouth together with some charcoal with your bare hands
― I sb'ed your mum (ken c), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:05 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost
lol Dan grocery shopping is women's work
― james cameron gargameled my boner for life (Pancakes Hackman), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Nobody's copping to their pants.
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link
you don't actually cook the meat, by the way, you just want to eat the hot charcoal and have the meat cooked inside your stomach
― I sb'ed your mum (ken c), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link
― wtf?!? just randomly started crying! (HI DERE), Wednesday, December 9, 2009 4:03 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
dude I mean eating like your potato salad and baked beans with a plastic fork...i mean who wants to bring actual silverware to the park???
wearing women's panties right now tbh
― eight woofers in the trunk sb'n down the block (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:08 (fourteen years ago) link
― jazzgasms (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Worrying about silverware is not a man's job!
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images18/ChihuahuaViansBigMacAttackMac3.JPG
RAWR
― wtf?!? just randomly started crying! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:10 (fourteen years ago) link
how do you eat cous cous with a fork anyway?
― I sb'ed your mum (ken c), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:14 (fourteen years ago) link