Strictly 4 My Underground Homo Deep House Thugs: DJ Sprinkles - Midtown 120 Blues

All's I'm saying is that a lot of forms of so-called radicalism in this particular context are starting to smell strongly of self-promotion.

Whatever, I'm just going to listen to "Hush Now" again and again. Among us non-radicals, silence equals comfort.

> I would like the authors those articles to tell me why they think homosexuality is inherently radical in the first place, given other animals do it without killing each other, et al.

first, those were examples of people challenging the notion of inherent radicality. second, the notion comes from dominant culture positioning homosexuality as a "threat" to dominant mores. "radicality" becomes a way of attempting to wield that possible power granted by dominant cultural fears.

...or something.

> I'm just saying homosexuality itself sort of exists outside of ethics, hence (to some extent) radical/establishment dialectics.

scary! replace "homosexuality" with "heterosexuality" and you have just written the formula for why we're in this mess.

His Resident Advisor podcast is really, really good - I'd love a copy of his private Depeche Mode remix.

No offense, guys, but I really want to hear a Weird Al parody of the intro.

replace "homosexuality" with "heterosexuality" and you have just written the formula for why we're in this mess

I guess that's always been my point here. This insistence on maintaining "otherness" errs when it tries to eradicate stray elements of "with-ness."

I come away from some queer theory feeling like the authors want me to disown my mother and father for daring to be heterosexual.

^^^ This is a pretty poor reading of queer theory unless you were reading, like, agit-prop zines from 18 yr old baby-queers. (The real-life example of this when I was at uni was a zine a girl I knew put together called "An Introduction to the White Capitalist Hetero-Patriarchy")

If anything, actual queer theory tries to break down any assumption that there is an "absolute" difference-in-identity between heterosexual and non-heterosexual people. It suggests that heterosexual people are constructed in pretty much the same way as homosexual people, the importance part of which is that it means they are a construction (i.e. not "natural", "god-intended" etc.). The consequence of this of course is that heterosexuality loses the monopoly on rightness. But, conversely, it cannot hold the monopoly on wrongness. Queer theory doesn't dislike heterosexuals, it dislikes a taxonomy of sexual identity (read: perversion) that tries to hypostasize what it means to be not-straight. It no more equals a hatred of heterosexuals than the feminist insistence that women can choose their lifestyle equals a hatred of men.

What a lot of people think of as "queer theory" is really a badly assembled rainbow coalition my-first-marxism which pats itself on the back for apparently transcending or revolutionising "gay identity politics" (because gay men are sexist classist racist pink dollar slaves after all) and then turns around and asserts the same brand of identity politics it claims to reject.

It's much closer to a misreading of Catherine McKinnon (i.e. radical feminism) than a misreading of Foucault etc.

Haha I don't the Rainbow Coalition is what you think it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow/PUSH

It may be a bit of an Australianism to use "rainbow coalition" in the context i'm using it. It's less an official term than a put down.

Well in that case, the Australianists picked up the name of an American organization only tangentially related to gay rights and misused it.

You gotta admit that it's a great term for what I'm describing.

Sorry, but as an American, and probably even moreso as a black American, I just have whole other set of connotations associated with the term.

At the same time, it's perfectly understandable if non-Americans are unfamiliar with Jackson's organization.

right but rainbow coalition is a term used to mean a lot of different things in different countries anyway, usually multi-party majority governments

Oh. We don't have those.

Yeah exactly that's where the phrase comes from originally I'm pretty sure!

Alright, I guess I've been proven wrong.

about rainbows?

1. Call me an adolescent. I don't really care.

2. To Eric: Beavis said it better than I could: first, those were examples of people challenging the notion of inherent radicality. second, the notion comes from dominant culture positioning homosexuality as a "threat" to dominant mores. "radicality" becomes a way of attempting to wield that possible power granted by dominant cultural fears.

As stated above (in my last post), I don't really think that anyone has to embrace ^^this 'possible power'^^ of radicality as a prerequisite for being a homosexual. PERSONALLY, I embrace it because I believe it does have some power in threatening and challenging dominant cultural mores.

3. Tim F., I've been reading agit-prop queer zines since I was that teenager you're describing, and at this point (ten years later), I'm relatively well-versed in a lot of queer/feminist theory. However, I do find that the energy and passion of queer teenagers (especially punk rockers) remains energising and invigorating to me, though I am sometimes disappointed in the myopic nature of their anger.

3. To Alfred and Eric: I'm no less smug than either of you, so shut the fuck up.

(and tho i said it on the gay thread: alfred and eric, let's just agree to disagree. let a thousand flowers bloom, etc.)

Which gay thread, table? Clearly I'm missing out.

I have to say, this thread (which I'm somehow just reading now) warms my heart for a multitude of reasons, not least of which is how the DJ Sprinkles album spurred this much broader conversation about queer identity, etc. Good to see homos and the homo-friendlies stepping up to talk about some interesting, relevant stuff. More, more I say!

Mods: please retitle this thread Refutations of Smugness: DJ Sprinkles - Midtown 120 Blues

3. Tim F., I've been reading agit-prop queer zines since I was that teenager you're describing, and at this point (ten years later), I'm relatively well-versed in a lot of queer/feminist theory. However, I do find that the energy and passion of queer teenagers (especially punk rockers) remains energising and invigorating to me, though I am sometimes disappointed in the myopic nature of their anger.

I'm not disappointed - they're teenagers! They're supposed to be energetic and passionate in their hatred of parents. I just think Eric is too quick to conflate that with queer theory per se.

In much the same way that anti-globalisation rallies would fall over without teenagers but we don't award those same teenagers book contracts with Verso (or do we?).

unless it's a compilation of Aaron Cometbus writings, I don't think so. (and one of those has already come out!) (well, and Aaron is more of a 40-year-old teenage at this point)

This thread is really making me want to dig up the queer-theory-informed paper on drag I wrote when I was 19.

feeling too lazy to put that in 'v much in character' thread

> at this point then i just think thaemlitz's point is based on one contradiction too many

she'd probably be really glad to read that... :)

one of my best friends "surprised" me with this disc recently. told her about it about two weeks ago and it showed it at my door about two days ago. very excited to listen it it.

I love the conversation its generated on the thread.

http://img160.yfrog.com/img160/982/capture01jan122229.jpg

*facepalm*

this record is really beautiful

yeah, it's really rockin my world.

It's become my favorite disc of last year. In perpetual repeat (or almost so) in my car.

I feel fairly confident after four or five listens in saying that it's my favorite of '09, as well.

love it. how sick is the bass all over this album?? probably my favourite of the year too.

Yeah, gorgeous. A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down.

cant believe the podcast has barely been mentioned

his other house records are just as good... criminally under exposed compared to this one.

the only other thing i hve is lovebomb, what are his house-ey releases?

didn't see any mention of this yet:
http://www.residentadvisor.net/review-view.aspx?id=7062

New DJ Sprinkles song recorded during the Midtown 120 Blues sessions!

"what are his house-ey releases"

there have been a few, like "Terre Thaemlitz presents... You? Again?" which looks like a comp but i think all his productions. tip top.

this just came out:
(mule musiq 44) Terre Thaemlitz aka DJ Sprinkles - Masturjakor Vinyl 2010

and i'm willing to bet there are more than a few dance numbers on this:
TERRE THAEMLITZ "DEAD STOCK ARCHIVE / 売れ残り品アーカイブ"
The wet dream collector's box, with over 600 tracks in 320kbps MP3 format.

:)

thanks i was lookin at that, also haven't managed to hear the masturkator(?) yet

masturb/k/jator is very satisfying indeed.

The Routes Not Routes 12" are great. They are expensive now though.

Routes not Roots. (as in the delusian emphasis on lateral connectivity and against deep genetic axis...) yeah i'd love to hear those as well.

what about that Fagjazz stuff? anyone know if it's house-y?

this podcast is so damn beautiful. looking forward to this masturjakor stuff

you can hear (low quality) samples of it here http://www.wordandsound.de/article/62738

Sounds good to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEVVVlDP6yk

a dub of this^ appeared on the 'i'm starting to feel ok' comp in 2008 (credited to t. thaemlitz tho)

brilliant!